Pre vaccine I was very careful (despite having had it since 1 kid didn't and my antibody count was low, so I might transmit still). Post vaccine, I don't care. Because: Science TM!
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Pre vaccine I was very careful (despite having had it since 1 kid didn't and my antibody count was low, so I might transmit still). Post vaccine, I don't care. Because: Science TM!
The strawman is your "You actually claiming the vaccine is working perfectly" I never said that, but I can see how it is necessary to your argument.
I'm trying to be of help, but we don't seem to be m making much progress.
Won't going into that get us into trouble? I mean it's easy to throw the white yokel in North Dakota under the bus.
Bruddah IZ
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Delta is Dying
An earlier study at the Cleveland Clinic of more than 52,000 health-care workers from December 16, 2020 to May 15, 2021 (just before Delta became dominant in the U.S.) found that both natural immunity and vaccine immunity provide good protection against infections. Not one of the 1,359 previously infected subjects who remained unvaccinated was reinfected. Their risk of infection was no higher than for vaccinated people, whether they were previously infected or uninfected.
Moreover, natural immunity thus far appears to be at least as long-lasting as vaccine immunity. Even before vaccines were widely available, studies indicated that four types of immune memory persist for more than six months after infection. The Cleveland Clinic results suggested that natural immunity provides protection against reinfection for ten or more months, leading the authors to conclude that previously infected Covid-19 patients are “unlikely to benefit” from vaccination. Another study found that convalescent individuals maintained immunologic protection for 12 months without vaccination, though protection could be enhanced by vaccination.
Covid-19 treatments have improved as well. Several versions of monoclonal antibodies have been authorized and are now readily available. These medicines are highly effective at keeping early Covid-19 from progressing, thus decreasing the risk of hospitalization or death by 70 percent to 85 percent, particularly for people at high risk of developing severe disease. Steroids and new, more effective ICU protocols have also led to lower Covid-19 mortality.
An earlier study at the Cleveland Clinic of more than 52,000 health-care workers from December 16, 2020 to May 15, 2021 (just before Delta became dominant in the U.S.) found that both natural immunity and vaccine immunity provide good protection against infections. Not one of the 1,359 previously infected subjects who remained unvaccinated was reinfected. Their risk of infection was no higher than for vaccinated people, whether they were previously infected or uninfected.
Moreover, natural immunity thus far appears to be at least as long-lasting as vaccine immunity. Even before vaccines were widely available, studies indicated that four types of immune memory persist for more than six months after infection. The Cleveland Clinic results suggested that natural immunity provides protection against reinfection for ten or more months, leading the authors to conclude that previously infected Covid-19 patients are “unlikely to benefit” from vaccination. Another study found that convalescent individuals maintained immunologic protection for 12 months without vaccination, though protection could be enhanced by vaccination.
Covid-19 treatments have improved as well. Several versions of monoclonal antibodies have been authorized and are now readily available. These medicines are highly effective at keeping early Covid-19 from progressing, thus decreasing the risk of hospitalization or death by 70 percent to 85 percent, particularly for people at high risk of developing severe disease. Steroids and new, more effective ICU protocols have also led to lower Covid-19 mortality.
I don't actually blame the individuals. I blame the fact that there is even an anti-vaxer movement. I blame the misinformation overload and the grifters on MSM who laid doubt. You know who these people are. You're smart. I don't blame many of these people who haven't gotten vaccinated when they've been inundated with misinformation from sources they've historically trusted.
...and many places will give you a free mask as well.
Collection of data with links to studies regarding masks. Enjoy.
https://www.justfacts.com/news_face_masks_deadly_falsehoods
https://www.justfacts.com/news_face_masks_deadly_falsehoods
Sure, but what are you going to say...."Ok everyone, lose weight, fast"
I think we can agree the grifters are a problem. I also think the experts though and how they've handled things are a huge part of the problem.
We are now adding "scapegoating" to the list of words you use in variance to their commonly-agreed meanings.
Highly vaccinated areas aren’t seeing all that many cases. There is no such things as “a casedemic in a bunch of under 12s.”.
The places with the high case rates are the same as the paces with the low vax rates.
It was phrased as a question which you ducked.
But that doesn't explain why my county is so highly vaxed -- for that matter the entirety of the Bay Area. Why the difference?
What if you actually stuck to watch you originally claimed, that people only wear their masks on takeoff and landing?
Funny coming from the strawman guy
That's what the grifters say.
1- SES. 2- Indian and Chinese immigrants. 3- lack of Fox News viewers. 4- lots of engineers, and engineers tend to believe scientists.
I can't help but point out that again, as usual, you are using an unproven assertion to further later arguments.
Do you think no one is going to notice? Do you yourself know that you are doing it?
As you know Magoo, it's possible for the grifters to be right about something and wrong about another. But in your world it's always noon.
There are a lot of variables but socioeconomics is one.
If Grace has actually put you on ignore, it's a shame that she is missing this.