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It is insane that people think putting a mask on a two year old is child abuse, but that taking a high risk child with a debilitating lung condition through the most crowded building in one of the highest risk cities in America during a pandemic is great parenting. The day she traveled was one of TX's highest single day death and new case totals.
 
GoldenGate said:
It is insane that people think putting a mask on a two year old is child abuse, but that taking a high risk child with a debilitating lung condition through the most crowded building in one of the highest risk cities in America during a pandemic is great parenting. The day she traveled was one of TX's highest single day death and new case totals.
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A sane person would think that both actions could be considered poor parenting. But you know...soemthing to be said about sanity these days. Seems like a scarce commodity
 
watfly said:
Unhinged, uber woke, leftist that was kicked off the forum a few months ago for posting brain cell killing tantrums.
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Sounds like fun, clean,logical conversation. The pandemic has certainly caused trauma in many. Interesting to some degree how it presents in some people.
 
Grace T. said:
Err...I can think of a ton of reason outside of vacation. When my kid was that age, I had to travel on a work trip (as a single parent could not leave the kid by himself), family funeral, moving to another place, split custody, caring for an aged grandmother, saying goodbye to a dying relative. Lots of reasons.

We're one of the very few countries to mandate masks on 2 year olds, including those with special needs. What's special about it is it's a 2 year old.
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American Airlines already has a disability exemption process on their website:

"These rules do not apply to children under 2, or if you have a disability that prevents you from wearing a face covering and meet the exemption requirements."

If this really was a special case, there was a way to deal with it.

But you have to follow the process. You can't just show up and demand an exception. That puts flight attendants in the position of judging whether a particular passenger is or is not disabled.
 
dad4 said:
American Airlines already has a disability exemption process on their website:

"These rules do not apply to children under 2, or if you have a disability that prevents you from wearing a face covering and meet the exemption requirements."

If this really was a special case, there was a way to deal with it.

But you have to follow the process. You can't just show up and demand an exception. That puts flight attendants in the position of judging whether a particular passenger is or is not disabled.
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That's an argument again for not requiring it on the very young. Conditions like autism (unless very severe and rendering the child nearly complete disfunction) and ADHD are often not diagnosed at age 2. Reason why is because you need the child to be able to talk fairly fluently to diagnose. ADHD is usually not diagnosed until grade 3-5 so the parent might not know until they get put into a stressful situation like on the plane.

As for asthma, again with a 2 year old you are just figuring out how it interacts with the environment. The child isn't fully communicative and isn't able to describe how they are feeling. If it's the child's first flight, maybe you don't know the airline vents (or a dog in the vicinity) is going to trigger it.

You've just laid out a reason for why children shouldn't be masked at all until age 5 when they get some ability to describe their body and its reaction to stimulus. Or are you in favor of masking babies? Because the justification for not masking babies is they might stop breathing and parents may not notice.
 
Grace T. said:
That's an argument again for not requiring it on the very young. Conditions like autism (unless very severe and rendering the child nearly complete disfunction) and ADHD are often not diagnosed at age 2. Reason why is because you need the child to be able to talk fairly fluently to diagnose. ADHD is usually not diagnosed until grade 3-5 so the parent might not know until they get put into a stressful situation like on the plane.

As for asthma, again with a 2 year old you are just figuring out how it interacts with the environment. The child isn't fully communicative and isn't able to describe how they are feeling. If it's the child's first flight, maybe you don't know the airline vents (or a dog in the vicinity) is going to trigger it.

You've just laid out a reason for why children shouldn't be masked at all until age 5 when they get some ability to describe their body and its reaction to stimulus. Or are you in favor of masking babies? Because the justification for not masking babies is they might stop breathing and parents may not notice.
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p.s. the airlines (much like the supermarket) don't consider asthma a disability that requires a mask exception. I know because I've had a relative try it. We also know because people claim "asthma" to get exempt from supermarket bans, and as some fun videos on the internet have shown, it doesn't usually work.
 
watfly said:
I'd recommend you read up on the case because it goes way beyond not doing their job. Both Senator Blumenthal and Leahy (also attorneys) are strongly recommending prosecution of the FBI agents.
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I read some of the statements from the gymnasts. It's just stomach turning. No one seemed interested in protecting the girls - multiple levels of failure, not just the FBI. It's an indictment of our society, in my opinion. I wish it was the exception, but sadly, I expect that this is just a situation that has gained the spotlight.
 
Grace T. said:
p.s. the airlines (much like the supermarket) don't consider asthma a disability that requires a mask exception. I know because I've had a relative try it. We also know because people claim "asthma" to get exempt from supermarket bans, and as some fun videos on the internet have shown, it doesn't usually work.
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Well, if the airlines don't consider asthma a sufficient disability to warrant an exemption, it is probably because asthma is not sufficient to warrant an exemption.

The other possibility is that there is a limited capacity for listening to mask complaints. Flight attendants, like all people, only have so much patience. They already have had to deal with a lot of shit from the first thousand belligerent anti-mask customers, and might not have much interest in listening to the thousand and first excuse for not being able to wear a mask properly.
 
dad4 said:
Well, if the airlines don't consider asthma a sufficient disability to warrant an exemption, it is probably because asthma is not sufficient to warrant an exemption.

The other possibility is that there is a limited capacity for listening to mask complaints. Flight attendants, like all people, only have so much patience. They already have had to deal with a lot of shit from the first thousand belligerent anti-mask customers, and might not have much interest in listening to the thousand and first excuse for not being able to wear a mask properly.
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Gee, if only we had a limited capacity to irrationally enforce masking on children two and under. It appears there is no limit to that. We've got plenty of belligerent anti-children folks out there (and on here) as well.

Yes, I do feel for the flight attendants and anyone else tasked with the thankless job of telling people to wear masks. It's interesting. I've noticed masking has changed my thinking about flying versus driving. I was actually a little relieved when the airline tickets were ridiculously high to Vegas and I decided to drive 8.5 hours instead of flying and wearing a mask 3.5-4 hours until I got in my rental car. Pre-Covid, I'm pretty sure I'd have just sucked it up and bought the ticket. I need to make sure my playlists are updated.
 
dad4 said:
Well, if the airlines don't consider asthma a sufficient disability to warrant an exemption, it is probably because asthma is not sufficient to warrant an exemption.

The other possibility is that there is a limited capacity for listening to mask complaints. Flight attendants, like all people, only have so much patience. They already have had to deal with a lot of shit from the first thousand belligerent anti-mask customers, and might not have much interest in listening to the thousand and first excuse for not being able to wear a mask properly.
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Or maybe spare the flight attendants by not masking really small kids, particularly when some adults around them are using the masks only for take off and landing. Again the us is out of touch here in comparison to the rest of the world.

there isn’t as asthma exception btw for the simple reason that it would exempt over 10% of passengers
 
GoldenGate said:
Grace T. is glossing over the fact that this has all the hallmarks of an irresponsible anti-vaxxer parent who has been risking giving Covid to her infant with a debilitating lung issues from birth. Apparently, anti-vaxxer mommy subjected her child with serious asthma to Covid at home every day from birth. When that failed to kill her baby, she took him on a plane trip through a crowded airport in an area that currently ranks among the highest transmission and death rates in the U.S. due to the overall anti-vaxxer sentiment. She did this knowing her little baby can't wear a mask. And to maximize the chances of killing her child, she ignored AA's processes for seeking an exemption which might have given her and AA the ability to figure out a solution to this problem. If there was ever a child that was a high risk to get and die of covid, it is this one. If there was ever a child that was a high risk to spread covid to others, it is also this one. The real lessons to be learned here is that someone needs to call CPS, and that anti-vaxxers are easily manipulated into believing even the most bs narrative. This is the type of person that anti-vaxxers believe are heroes. Soak it in.

I wonder why Grace T. believes private businesses like American Airlines should not be allowed to implement their own rules? Is this a "strict construction" thing? Did someone change the Commerce Clause without telling me and add something about how private companies can make their customers wear shirts, pants and shoes, just not masks?
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More safety theater.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Gee, if only we had a limited capacity to irrationally enforce masking on children two and under. It appears there is no limit to that. We've got plenty of belligerent anti-children folks out there (and on here) as well.

Yes, I do feel for the flight attendants and anyone else tasked with the thankless job of telling people to wear masks. It's interesting. I've noticed masking has changed my thinking about flying versus driving. I was actually a little relieved when the airline tickets were ridiculously high to Vegas and I decided to drive 8.5 hours instead of flying and wearing a mask 3.5-4 hours until I got in my rental car. Pre-Covid, I'm pretty sure I'd have just sucked it up and bought the ticket. I need to make sure my playlists are updated.
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I will never fly again until people change being scared. The mask is back and now people are going around like this dude.

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Man with "I'm Vaccinated" Badge on Harrasses Unmasked Patriot in Store

His wife is a doctor who specializes in infectious disease. Who are we to judge him? . Download the video: http://short.katflys.com/d/9QFR
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It's getting real chippie again with mask/vax dude vs no mask and mine your business mama bears at stores. How sad we have men acting like this. I know deep deep down what the truth is but no one can handle the real truth. Carry on with this and that and i will focus on why I have to do to survive. Maybe one of these days we can meet up on the road somewhere bro. I love to drive btw :) You're a good dad and did the right thing for you and your family. I respect that and you respect me, and I respect that you respect that. What I mean is, we can disagree to disagree on vax or no vax and still have respect from one man to another man. Respect is the key word. Thanks for respecting me man, I love you a lot and feel your kindness through the computer. Espola and that GG dude, hell no!!!
 
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