I agree with you. The question centered on Grace placing fighting/spitting/dissent categorized together. I have always expected the first 2 to be rec-card-worthy, but not the last.
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I agree with you. The question centered on Grace placing fighting/spitting/dissent categorized together. I have always expected the first 2 to be rec-card-worthy, but not the last.
Yours in futbol
SILVER
Dumb dumb...if there is repeated dissent two yellows can equal a red (I have seen it done both as a parent and an AR a few times), and as surfref pointed out, there are occasions however rare that a ref would want to go straight red for dissent.
As I said, I find it interesting that you grouped dissent with fighting and spitting.
They are both carding offenses. They are both suspendible events. I said the suspension for dissent (if it’s bad enough to earn the red) should be treated more lenient than fighting spitting and repeat offenders for fighting spitting more harshly. Again Magoo…reading comprehension
Reading comprehension has nothing to do with the fact that I find it interesting.
Surfref
PREMIER
Make sure an adult is there with her sitting off to the side. Just tell her to have fun. She will probably only call 2-6 fouls, but may call numerous offside violations. If she looks professional and confident then no one will know it’s her first games. When blowing the whistle she should do it loud enough for the people on adjacent fields to hear. When the players (both teams) do something good she should tell them…good kick, good shot, nice goal, good save. Expect them to just fall down for no reason other than they tripped over their own feet.Well, one of my kids is ref'ing as a center for the first time in a u9 game this Sat, without ARs. I'm curious to see how many fouls she calls...
I'll pass on your guys' commentary
I am coming off of a knee injury and have been working 7v7 games for the past month. What I have learned working these games is that I have to tell the players what to do on free kicks and remind them to keep their feet on the ground during throw ins. She must call the bad throw-ins, so the kids learn to do it correct. If a coach yells at her, she should just say that the kids need to learn proper throw ins. Most coaches will be polite and helpful. Don’t engage the parents if they are misbehaving. Talk to the coach and let them handle the parents. If a player goes down, they are usually not seriously hurt and usually just in shock. Tell her to get down on a knee and talk to them in a calm voice and try to get them to sit up or stand up. Then when they are sitting or standing have them put their hands over their head. The sitting/standing up and hands over the head distracts them and they are usually okay. Ask them if they want to stay in or go out, that also distracts them from any pain.
Surfref
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Remember a straight Red (ejection) card can never be for dissent. Dissent is always a Yellow card. A straight Red card would be for using Offensive, Insulting or Abusive language or gestures. Yes, a player can receive two Yellow (caution) cards for dissent, but the ejection will be for receiving a second caution.
Thanks for the distinction! I always appreciate your wisdom.
whatithink
GOLD
I played in the UK a long time ago, and in that league every team had 11 players only, no subs, so everyone played a full game. Any cursing (intended or not was a yellow & 10 minute "sin-bin"). Only the captain could talk to the referee, anyone else "having a go" and yellow card & 10 minute "sin-bin". There was minimal dissent or cursing and when it happened, the rest of the team castigated the player, not the ref. It was super competitive but chilled at the same time.
TBH, FIFA should instigate rule changes or enforcement of rules for dissent and get it out of the international & professional game, that in turn will filter down into the amateur & youth games. Look at Rugby and how that works.
From about 4-5 secs to 50 odd, classic Nigel Owens
Nigel Owens makes it clear: "This is not soccer" - YouTube
It seems to me that over the years the verbal confrontations with referees have escalated. If the referees can't deal with it on the field, perhaps the league authorities can hand out fines or suspensions in the higher leagues as an example to the lower levels.
Eagle33
PREMIER
It must of been really really long time ago. Right now all you hear is F this and F that every other word.
Frank
GOLD
Two Reds for me in this category last HS season.
1) Told me I F'ng sucked
2) called another player a N.....
Eagle33
PREMIER
I was talking about UK
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DA
I hope that you reported (2) to the school and CIF authorities. The punishment for that should be more than just a red card.
Frank
GOLD
Coach kicked him off the team immediately when told what was said. Red card report was issued which informs school.
Roadrunner
SILVER
I'm curious, I have heard some pretty foul language from some hs coaches directed even towards their own players. 2) above obviously crosses a line, but is there a point where the refs would report a coach's behavior?
It's a must for referee to address such behavior during the game and to report it after the game. If they don't do it then they are a part of the problem.