Turning Pro at 13

MacDre said:
This doesn’t make sense. Freddy Adu, Jozy Altidore, Demarcus Beasley, Clint Dempsey, Gianluco Busio and many others aren’t influencers yet they signed professional contracts and endorsement deals at a young age.

Are you suggesting that females can only attain comparable success to males in soccer if they are influencers?

My kid is actually more marketable than OM because she can be promoted in the USA, Mexico, Bahamas and West Indies. I also have the resources and contacts to immediately turn my kid into an influencer but I rather not.

I don’t think anything about my kids soccer ability. I love to see her play and to go get ice cream after her games. Period. Professional and college coaches have told me that my daughter is good. I stay in my lane.
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I may be wrong, but male players signed to professional contracts in the MLS locally can get sold for much more money after a year or 2 to bigger soccer markets. female players are still struggling to fill seats, much more so than their male counterparts. And the market to "sell" players is not the same. The female game is still at the stage of trying to get more fans and viewers. By getting as many "influencers" with their followers that can play the game will hopefully bring more fans to the game. I promise you, if you say your daughter is as good as you and your coaches say she is, she can follow OMs path if she can match the followers. that's the missing piece for your daughter. Feel free to disagree. Just my opinion. If Grayson "The Professor" Boucher can get a contract to play in the ABA, a step bellow the NBA at the time, social media and followers can give you a shot you may not deserve. If i remember correctly, he barely walked onto a JC team. Dont underestimate the power of being an influencer with an established fan base lol.
 
MacDre said:
If OM’s Nike endorsement is due to her being an influencer, then how was she selected for the YNT for older birth years? How has OM received substantial playing time as the youngest player on her YNT roster if she’s only an influencer?
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I'm pretty sure you know the answers to all of your questions, but I'll humor you...

She made the YNT teams because she is really good at soccer

She got the Nike deal because she is BOTH really good at soccer and had a massive social media presence that justified a business investment.

Any girl can do the same as OM if they are elite enough at both things. That door is wide open for your daughter. It's just really hard to walk through (and many, such as yourself, are reasonably not interested in it anyway).
 
MSK357 said:
I may be wrong, but male players signed to professional contracts in the MLS locally can get sold for much more money after a year or 2 to bigger soccer markets. female players are still struggling to fill seats, much more so than their male counterparts. And the market to "sell" players is not the same. The female game is still at the stage of trying to get more fans and viewers. By getting as many "influencers" with their followers that can play the game will hopefully bring more fans to the game. I promise you, if you say your daughter is as good as you and your coaches say she is, she can follow OMs path if she can match the followers. that's the missing piece for your daughter. Feel free to disagree. Just my opinion. If Grayson "The Professor" Boucher can get a contract to play in the ABA, a step bellow the NBA at the time, social media and followers can give you a shot you may not deserve. If i remember correctly, he barely walked onto a JC team. Dont underestimate the power of being an influencer with an established fan base lol.
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Yes, you are wrong.

Generation Adidas - Wikipedia

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STX said:
I'm pretty sure you know the answers to all of your questions, but I'll humor you...

She made the YNT teams because she is really good at soccer

She got the Nike deal because she is BOTH really good at soccer and had a massive social media presence that justified a business investment.

Any girl can do the same as OM if they are elite enough at both things. That door is wide open for your daughter. It's just really hard to walk through (and many, such as yourself, are reasonably not interested in it anyway).
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Sounds sexist and illegal to me.
 
MacDre said:
Your assertion.

Generation Adidas is a joint venture between Major League Soccer and U.S. Soccer aimed at raising the level of young professional soccertalent in the United States.[2

Doesn’t say aimed at selling players later.
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the aim is "allowing MLS to compete with foreign professional clubs without comparable restrictions on player signing." If they can sign a young prospect early, they have the potential to make more money selling them in the future. Selling players obviously shouldnt be the goal. but we are a smaller market, and its inevitable that a strong player will want to play for a bigger league/club. Disagree all you want, but your example of players have all played overseas when they could.
 
MSK357 said:
the aim is "allowing MLS to compete with foreign professional clubs without comparable restrictions on player signing." If they can sign a young prospect early, they have the potential to make more money selling them in the future. Selling players obviously shouldnt be the goal. but we are a smaller market, and its inevitable that a strong player will want to play for a bigger league/club. Disagree all you want, but your example of players have all played overseas when they could.
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Completely irrelevant. We are talking about youth development that is available for boys but not girls. We are not talking about a professional career trajectory because it is outside the scope of youth development.

Why do you think girls should not have the same youth development opportunities as boys?
 
MacDre said:
Completely irrelevant. We are talking about youth development that is available for boys but not girls. We are not talking about a professional career trajectory because it is outside the scope of youth development.

Why do you think girls should not have the same youth development opportunities as boys?
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Not Irrelevant, just pointing out how that investment can pay off.

I think girls should have the same youth development opportunities as boys. Just need to convince the sponsors that they will get a decent return on their investment. Unless you want to force companies to pay for your daughters development and opportunities, you have to make it worth it for them. At the very least by getting visibility off an influencers name and following.
 
MSK357 said:
Not Irrelevant, just pointing out how that investment can pay off.

I think girls should have the same youth development opportunities as boys. Just need to convince the sponsors that they will get a decent return on their investment. Unless you want to force companies to pay for your daughters development and opportunities, you have to make it worth it for them. At the very least by getting visibility off an influencers name and following.
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I’ve known for a long time but Judge Immergut recently pointed out in simple language that “in the United States girls should have the same opportunities as boys.”so what that essentially means is that we probably have a blatant gender discrimination issue here.

I think the girls equal pay claim is better than the WNT because they aren’t represented by a union and haven’t negotiated a CBA.

Unfortunately the girls have only been represented by their dumb ass parents (including me) who have yet to take action to secure their rights. We simply get drunk on the kool-aide.
 
MSK357 said:
the aim is "allowing MLS to compete with foreign professional clubs without comparable restrictions on player signing." If they can sign a young prospect early, they have the potential to make more money selling them in the future. Selling players obviously shouldnt be the goal. but we are a smaller market, and its inevitable that a strong player will want to play for a bigger league/club. Disagree all you want, but your example of players have all played overseas when they could.
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If you note US Soccers involvement along with the initial restrictions to only MNT players it becomes clear that this is a youth development program aimed at developing National Team Players in the underdeveloped US market.
 
MacDre said:
I’ve known for a long time but Judge Immergut recently pointed out in simple language that “in the United States girls should have the same opportunities as boys.”so what that essentially means is that we probably have a blatant gender discrimination issue here.

I think the girls equal pay claim is better than the WNT because they aren’t represented by a union and haven’t negotiated a CBA.

Unfortunately the girls have only been represented by their dumb ass parents (including me) who have yet to take action to secure their rights. We simply get drunk on the kool-aide.
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first off, I wouldn't use probably and blatant in the same sentence.

second, I hope you do take action. Be a trailblazer instead of hating others that blaze the trail first. No Excuses. Be the change you want.
 
MacDre said:
If you note US Soccers involvement along with the initial restrictions to only MNT players it becomes clear that this is a youth development program aimed at developing National Team Players in the underdeveloped US market.
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Not the case anymore, read your link. Also, "Entering into the program automatically classifies a player as professional "
 
MSK357 said:
first off, I wouldn't use probably and blatant in the same sentence.

second, I hope you do take action. Be a trailblazer instead of hating others that blaze the trail first. No Excuses. Be the change you want.
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First off, it was intentional because I am not giving definitive legal advice, I’m merely speculating and pontificating.

Second, I’m not interested in blazing imaginary trails. What trailblazer have I hated on?

Why don’t you want equal opportunity for girls?
 
MacDre said:
First off, it was intentional because I am not giving definitive legal advice, I’m merely speculating and pontificating.

Second, I’m not interested in blazing imaginary tales. What trailblazer have I hated on?

Why don’t you want equal opportunity for girls?
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this is fun,

We all know which trailblazer you are hating on. I do want equal opportunity for girls. Just not sure if forcing leagues and companies to invest in your daughter because you and your coaches think shes talented is the right thing to do. Get her IG game up and you'll be in. End of story.
 
MacDre said:
This is just to cast a wider net to have more potential National Team prospects and US Soccer is still involved for that precise reason.
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"Originally intended to improve the U.S. national team player pool, American national team eligibility is no longer required for program entry." You really should read your links before you post them. This is now a program to allow MLS to get prospects early before other clubs can pick them up. A good investment when the first contract is peanuts for they could get if the prospect lives up to expectations.
 
MSK357 said:
this is fun,

We all know which trailblazer you are hating on. I do want equal opportunity for girls. Just not sure if forcing leagues and companies to invest in your daughter because you and your coaches think shes talented is the right thing to do. Get her IG game up and you'll be in. End of story.
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Nothing is fun about gender discrimination.
I don’t know of the trailblazer that you are talking about...please elaborate!

Why do you make so many faulty assumptions? You know absolutely nothing about my camp.
 
MSK357 said:
"Originally intended to improve the U.S. national team player pool, American national team eligibility is no longer required for program entry." You really should read your links before you post them. This is now a program to allow MLS to get prospects early before other clubs can pick them up. A good investment when the first contract is peanuts for they could get if the prospect lives up to expectations.
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You are either intentionally misconstruing simple non ambiguous language or you have a comprehension problem-which is it?
 
MSK357 said:
"Originally intended to improve the U.S. national team player pool, American national team eligibility is no longer required for program entry." You really should read your links before you post them. This is now a program to allow MLS to get prospects early before other clubs can pick them up. A good investment when the first contract is peanuts for they could get if the prospect lives up to expectations.
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Excuse me, but I’m on some deep east oakland shit right now. A special dedication to you. My promotion. Stand for something...

 
MSK357 said:
"Originally intended to improve the U.S. national team player pool, American national team eligibility is no longer required for program entry." You really should read your links before you post them. This is now a program to allow MLS to get prospects early before other clubs can pick them up. A good investment when the first contract is peanuts for they could get if the prospect lives up to expectations.
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Alright, I’m moving north to Richmond and Vallejo for promotion. Why are you squaring up fam? Talk to me, I miss you homie.

 
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