Shocker, Legends gets caught cheating at ECNL Play Offs

[Penalty Kicks Stink]

Amazing how badly some clubs will cheat their own families and players all to win a game. Not only does Legends use college players in an event meant for players trying to get recruited for college but the parents go along with it. Not only do they cheat on the biggest stage but even at the younger levels you get parents complaining that coaches bring in ringers from top Legends or outside club teams to take playing time away from those paid on the roster.

Now you get caught on one of the biggest stages for an organization that just let you become a member for the very first time. I guess everyone but ECNL knew that this is what you get with Legends.

I feel bad for all those parents cutting checks to an organization that cant win on its merit or coaching

SCANDAL: Legends FC Gets Disqualified from the ECNL Playoffs | FUT411

It's not everyday we see a scandal unfold at a national event. Imagine our surprise to learn of a disqualification at the ECNL Girls National Playoff...

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[timbuck]

If this was done with intent (and it sounds like it was) ECNL needs to drop the hammer. There are plenty of clubs in SoCal that would sell their first born child to get ECNL status. Kick them out or put them on double secret probation for a year.

 

[girlsrule7]

Thats interesting, there was speculation at the GA event that their U17 team pulled in their stronger ECNL -R girls to play in the playoffs. Not sure it was illegal but that sucks for the girls who played on the GA team all season if they didn't get the chance to play.

 

[Soccer]

I do not see in the rules where using a college player is illegal. Age appropriate is the term. Reilyn Turner is rostered to Blues. Did she play? Are the girls from Solar playing? They graduated early and played at Texas this last spring.

If they rostered this player after May 1, then used her, that could be an issue.

Not defending Legends, I just know College players who have played ECNL in the past.

Back in the day it was extremely common for College Players to come back and play National Cup.

 

[espola]

I do not see in the rules where using a college player is illegal. Age appropriate is the term. Reilyn Turner is rostered to Blues. Did she play? Are the girls from Solar playing? They graduated early and played at Texas this last spring.

If they rostered this player after May 1, then used her, that could be an issue.

Not defending Legends, I just know College players who have played ECNL in the past.

Back in the day it was extremely common for College Players to come back and play National Cup.

Rule 2.12.4

2020-21 ECNL Competition Rules

2020-2021 ECNL COMPETITION RULES 2020-2021 ECNL COMPETITION RULES The Elite Clubs National League (“ECNL”) is a player development platform for elite youth soccer players in the United States. These Rules and Regulations (the “Regulations”) outline the rules fo...

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[Soccer]

Rule 2.12.4

2020-21 ECNL Competition Rules

2020-2021 ECNL COMPETITION RULES 2020-2021 ECNL COMPETITION RULES The Elite Clubs National League (“ECNL”) is a player development platform for elite youth soccer players in the United States. These Rules and Regulations (the “Regulations”) outline the rules fo...

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thanks, I stopped reading once it got to DP section.

Ok that rule says they can play, but must be a DP player. Did Legends not make her a DP then. There used to be a way you had to designate a player as a DP. Not sure in today’s times.

 

[Giesbock]

Thats interesting, there was speculation at the GA event that their U17 team pulled in their stronger ECNL -R girls to play in the playoffs. Not sure it was illegal but that sucks for the girls who played on the GA team all season if they didn't get the chance to play.

Not surprised to hear that and yes, really too bad for their “regulars “.

 

[Giesbock]

thanks, I stopped reading once it got to DP section.

Ok that rule says they can play, but must be a DP player. Did Legends not make her a DP then. There used to be a way you had to designate a player as a DP. Not sure in today’s times.

All this smacks of doing a bunch of squirming around to stay inside the rules while playing the system for every advantage. I guess that’s the character of the organization.

 

[MacDre]

Not surprised to hear that and yes, really too bad for their “regulars “.

Why would guest players be bad for the regulars?

If a club coach doesn’t have the confidence in a player to play them in a tournament, it seems unlikely to me that the same coach would give that same player a good recommendation to a college scout.

Maybe it’s a good thing for the regular player, as it signals to the player that they are not valued on the team and they should look for opportunities elsewhere.

 

[crush]

Why would guest players be bad for the regulars?

If a club coach doesn’t have the confidence in a player to play them in a tournament, it seems unlikely to me that the same coach would give that same player a good recommendation to a college scout.

Maybe it’s a good thing for the regular player, as it signals to the player that they are not valued on the team and they should look for opportunities elsewhere.

I had a dream last night that I got a full ride to Big U in hoops after playing AAU travel ball from the time I was 6 up until 18 years old. Talk about the travel grind for 12 years. My Freshman year of college hoops was magical Dre and one & done was it for me based on what all the scouts and agents were saying in my ear. In my wildest part of the dream, I was sitting around all alone and bored and then my phone rang. It was my old AAU hoops coach calling to ask me to come back and help his team win it all. I was shocked but 100% said, "hell no! Is this a joke coach? To each his own and I dont think this is cheating. Weird? Yes!!! I think maybe they checked the wrong box. It's called U19 for a reason........

 

[Dubs]

I'm not really sure I understand why a college player would come back and play in ECNL playoffs... For what exactly? If you're going to come back and play for in club, it's usually for WPSL. As it stands, most players in U18/19 are done with their college process and by now are ready to head to their respective schools to move in and start camp or pre-camp. I'm amazed they have enough numbers for the division at all unless some 2021 girls are still truly trying to get recruited.

 

[what-happened]

Why would guest players be bad for the regulars?

If a club coach doesn’t have the confidence in a player to play them in a tournament, it seems unlikely to me that the same coach would give that same player a good recommendation to a college scout.

Maybe it’s a good thing for the regular player, as it signals to the player that they are not valued on the team and they should look for opportunities elsewhere.

Sounds like a great club with moral intent. It's good to see honest and open communication between coaches, players, and parents.

To your point, yes, not playing should be a sign.

 

[El Clasico]

Sounds like a great club with moral intent. It's good to see honest and open communication between coaches, players, and parents.

To your point, yes, not playing should be a sign.

Is this Josh? Some people can turn anything around and make it appear altruistic. So legends cheating shows great moral intent? And by bringing in guest players, or ringers, into this showcase, that signifies to the bench players that they are not valued and should look elsewhere (after, of course, they have paid their fees here) and that represents to you, "honest and open communication between coaches, players, and parents"?

This is some kind of sad joke of a statement right? Otherwise you're just not right in the head and I don't say that to insult you, I'm just letting you know that you need to get some help.

I honestly still believe I am misunderstanding your post.

 

[what-happened]

Is this Josh? Some people can turn anything around and make it appear altruistic. So legends cheating shows great moral intent? And by bringing in guest players, or ringers, into this showcase, that signifies to the bench players that they are not valued and should look elsewhere (after, of course, they have paid their fees here) and that represents to you, "honest and open communication between coaches, players, and parents"?

This is some kind of sad joke of a statement right? Otherwise you're just not right in the head and I don't say that to insult you, I'm just letting you know that you need to get some help.

I honestly still believe I am misunderstanding your post.

Don't know who josh is. Easy with the insult - Obviously sarcasm. I'm sorry you weren't able to detect the sarcasm.

Thanks for your concern about my mental state.

 

[MacDre]

Sounds like a great club with moral intent. It's good to see honest and open communication between coaches, players, and parents.

To your point, yes, not playing should be a sign.

My grandma used to tell me that “the road to hell is paved with good intentions.” Sometimes things don’t work out despite the best of intentions, it doesn’t mean that the organization is shady for not playing a kid that ain’t got it and ain’t gonna get it.

My kid wanted to be good at art. I enrolled her in an art class and she still sucks despite the teachers best efforts. Doesn’t make the teacher shady because my kid sucks at art. Sometimes we have to accept the fact that there are things our kids aren’t good at.

 

[what-happened]

My grandma used to tell me that “the road to hell is paved with good intentions.” Sometimes things don’t work out despite the best of intentions, it doesn’t mean that the organization is shady for not playing a kid that ain’t got it and ain’t gonna get it.

My kid wanted to be good at art. I enrolled her in an art class and she still sucks despite the teachers best efforts. Doesn’t make the teacher shady because my kid sucks at art. Sometimes we have to accept the fact that there are things our kids aren’t good at.

High level youth soccer is crooked in nature. We all know this, it's right in front of us. Some choose to ignore it because your kid plays, others want to believe their kid will someday play more. This is the group that is always exploited and funds the growth/development of others.

Clubs should be having the talent discussion all the time but why would they? Some are led to believe that little johnny and sally will someday be the player the parents want them to be. Why turn away the $$$ - that would be a poor business decision.

How much were you paying the art teacher? My kids also sucked at art and music. We pulled the plug early on music. Instrument rental and private lessons were out of control.

 

[MacDre]

I'm not really sure I understand why a college player would come back and play in ECNL playoffs... For what exactly? If you're going to come back and play for in club, it's usually for WPSL. As it stands, most players in U18/19 are done with their college process and by now are ready to head to their respective schools to move in and start camp or pre-camp. I'm amazed they have enough numbers for the division at all unless some 2021 girls are still truly trying to get recruited.

A player at the end of the bench on their college team would be interested to get some minutes.

 

[Giesbock]

Why would guest players be bad for the regulars?

If a club coach doesn’t have the confidence in a player to play them in a tournament, it seems unlikely to me that the same coach would give that same player a good recommendation to a college scout.

Maybe it’s a good thing for the regular player, as it signals to the player that they are not valued on the team and they should look for opportunities elsewhere.

Fair counterpoints.

 

[crush]

Don't know who josh is. Easy with the insult - Obviously sarcasm. I'm sorry you weren't able to detect the sarcasm.

Thanks for your concern about my mental state.

Dont feel so bad. I was called club hopper, moron and damn fool because I use satire when I write....lol

 

[full90]

So legends can use college players if they are a discovery player?
Do we know if legends did this or used college players without the discovery tag?
Do we know if their composite u18/19 team was short in players and needed extra bodies and college kids were willing to go?

if we don’t know either of these things (if they were in fact “discovery” players and if the roster was short handed) then let’s hold our outrage until we know. One Internet article isn’t enough to light the club on fire.