Club soccer stuff that drive you nuts...

Parents raising loser brats.

Yesterday:
Same game, our team is winning 8-0 and one bratty player tries to make fun of one of our players doing EXACTLY this
Our players around them look at each other like thinking "seriously? you are this loser?", and then they just erupt in laughter at their player and they just remind him there are 8 goals in difference.
 
mlx said:
Parents raising loser brats.

Yesterday:
Same game, our team is winning 8-0 and one bratty player tries to make fun of one of our players doing EXACTLY this
Our players around them look at each other like thinking "seriously? you are this loser?", and then they just erupt in laughter at their player and they just remind him there are 8 goals in difference.
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Parents raising loser brats. I think you nailed it right here.... not only when they're losing either, parents raising kids to be brats in general....
 
Footy30 said:
Parents raising loser brats. I think you nailed it right here.... not only when they're losing either, parents raising kids to be brats in general....
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My experience in California so far is Club soccer is a privileged sport. The parents with money feel entitled on and off the field to have things go a certain way their child. Spoiled Brats come with the territory more often then not.
 
Chalklines said:
My experience in California so far is Club soccer is a privileged sport. The parents with money feel entitled on and off the field to have things go a certain way their child. Spoiled Brats come with the territory more often then not.
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I got my old original avatar name suspended by Dom three years ago all because I coined a new league called, "Elite Parents Soccer League." EPSL is all about pay for access and then pay some more to play. I made a fake ad three years ago for the heck of it and I got whacked and attacked. You saw it bro. I'm coming up on my three year welcome back date. The hate I got for telling the truth has been insane. Anyway, I will soon leave for good and have two big reasons why I want and need to leave ASAP!!!. The heat is getting so hot I'm starting to feel the burn on my face. I already have knives in my back from dadhats. This three year clean up job has taken it's toll on my soul.
 
GLangevinito said:
Lots of excuses from the Carlsbad parents. It's VERY unlikely that the "players decided on their own" to pass the ball around and not play defense for 80 minutes. Players are there to play, no matter if they are hot, or tired, or a bench player. The video showed 64 consecutive passes completed by one side with no pressure before kicking it to the other team.

No matter what the competitive situation was, both coaches made the decision to not play and rob another team of an opportunity to advance, no matter how slim the chances were. It's shameful, and I would bet you that 100% of the girls who were on the field that day regret it. I blame the coaches.
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Were either of you there? I reported what I saw with my own eyes, not what I read on the internet. Yes they did deny the NY team that lost a previous game 7-0. It was a NY parent that provided the video to TDS. You talk so much about "respect for the game", but no mention of how the current system has so little respect for the players with the fragmentation of leagues and the unneccasary travel caused by that fragmentation. Was what the players did the best response, probably not. It was however the response of a bunch of players that were tired of being used as pawns. You weren't there. Don't make assumptions about how those WOMEN (not girls, show some respect) feel about that game. You weren't on that field and you didn't go through the meet grinder of youth soccer like they did. They had just seen one of their peers taken off the field in tears for a game that did not matter.
 
outside! said:
Were either of you there? I reported what I saw with my own eyes, not what I read on the internet. Yes they did deny the NY team that lost a previous game 7-0. It was a NY parent that provided the video to TDS. You talk so much about "respect for the game", but no mention of how the current system has so little respect for the players with the fragmentation of leagues and the unneccasary travel caused by that fragmentation. Was what the players did the best response, probably not. It was however the response of a bunch of players that were tired of being used as pawns. You weren't there. Don't make assumptions about how those WOMEN (not girls, show some respect) feel about that game. You weren't on that field and you didn't go through the meet grinder of youth soccer like they did. They had just seen one of their peers taken off the field in tears for a game that did not matter.
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I watched the whole video, as did tens of thousands of people. It was embarrassing. The only people who saw nothing wrong live in 92008.

If the tournament was unfair, and a meat grinder, the team could have chosen to skip it and head off to college refreshed. And you act like the Carlsbad team was the only one subject to the heat, and the grind, and the travel. EVERY TEAM had to deal with the same thing. It's no excuse for what both teams did - at least the other coach had the decency to act sheepish about it.

I think Courtney agreed to the match fix when the other coach used all the same excuses you trotted out, and probably regretted it midway through when the optics looked terrible. But I lay the blame squarely at her feet, and anyone else who was involved in the decision. I don't blame the players at all. You know they didn't want to do that. You know they felt dumb not-playing for 80 minutes.

I've had kids with plenty of group stage matches that didn't matter to the team. They could lose and still advance. But guess what? They still chose to play the game, risking injury, risking fatigue. Because that's what they signed up for - to play the game to the best of their ability.
 
GLangevinito said:
I watched the whole video, as did tens of thousands of people. It was embarrassing. The only people who saw nothing wrong live in 92008.

If the tournament was unfair, and a meat grinder, the team could have chosen to skip it and head off to college refreshed. And you act like the Carlsbad team was the only one subject to the heat, and the grind, and the travel. EVERY TEAM had to deal with the same thing. It's no excuse for what both teams did - at least the other coach had the decency to act sheepish about it.

I think Courtney agreed to the match fix when the other coach used all the same excuses you trotted out, and probably regretted it midway through when the optics looked terrible. But I lay the blame squarely at her feet, and anyone else who was involved in the decision. I don't blame the players at all. You know they didn't want to do that. You know they felt dumb not-playing for 80 minutes.

I've had kids with plenty of group stage matches that didn't matter to the team. They could lose and still advance. But guess what? They still chose to play the game, risking injury, risking fatigue. Because that's what they signed up for - to play the game to the best of their ability.
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GLangevinito said:
I watched the whole video, as did tens of thousands of people. It was embarrassing. The only people who saw nothing wrong live in 92008.

If the tournament was unfair, and a meat grinder, the team could have chosen to skip it and head off to college refreshed. And you act like the Carlsbad team was the only one subject to the heat, and the grind, and the travel. EVERY TEAM had to deal with the same thing. It's no excuse for what both teams did - at least the other coach had the decency to act sheepish about it.

I think Courtney agreed to the match fix when the other coach used all the same excuses you trotted out, and probably regretted it midway through when the optics looked terrible. But I lay the blame squarely at her feet, and anyone else who was involved in the decision. I don't blame the players at all. You know they didn't want to do that. You know they felt dumb not-playing for 80 minutes.

I've had kids with plenty of group stage matches that didn't matter to the team. They could lose and still advance. But guess what? They still chose to play the game, risking injury, risking fatigue. Because that's what they signed up for - to play the game to the best of their ability.
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Carlsbad didn't need to win. They opted for a safe strategy to prevent injuries during a heatwave. I'd take that type of a coach anytime - Thinking about my kid's safety over blowing up the scoreboard.

Are you saying as a coach you would tell your players to go give it their all even though the game is meaningless to them and there is a high risk of injury? Wouldn't you strategize to keep your players in good shape for the next game - I would. A bunch of young woman are very capable of reading game results in tournaments and knowing whether the game is meaningless or not and protect themselves for the important game.

It's people who are so obsessed over things like this that is ruining the fun in youth soccer/sports. It's just a kid's game and when it's too hot and you don't need to score to move on, you don't make an effort. It makes perfect sense. If they decided to play hard, which is not smart of them, I'd support them too.

The other parent that submitted the video is a sore loser - entitled as heck. Thinking they have a right to force a bunch of girls to play the way they want them to because their poor daughters didn't do enough to control their own destiny in the tourney.
 
Emma said:
Carlsbad didn't need to win. They opted for a safe strategy to prevent injuries during a heatwave. I'd take that type of a coach anytime - Thinking about my kid's safety over blowing up the scoreboard.
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Carlsbad didn't need to win. So why did they collude to throw the match? It wasn't about preventing injuries. Courtney could have played subs. She could have told them to lay back defensively. She could have told them to take their time and slow the pace of the game down. All acceptable. They did none of those things. They chose not to compete at all. Did you watch the video?

The only reason USYS did not disqualify both teams (as they should have), is that both coaches stuck to their lie that they did not collude, despite the video proving their statements false.

Are you saying as a coach you would tell your players to go give it their all even though the game is meaningless to them and there is a high risk of injury? Wouldn't you strategize to keep your players in good shape for the next game - I would. A bunch of young woman are very capable of reading game results in tournaments and knowing whether the game is meaningless or not and protect themselves for the important game.
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How is there a "high" risk of injury? More than any other match? And yes, if I were in Courtney's place on that day, I would have played all my subs, told them to save their strength and not kill themselves, but I would have TOLD THEM TO PLAY. Not sit back for an entire game without a defensive challenge.

It's people who are so obsessed over things like this that is ruining the fun in youth soccer/sports. It's just a kid's game and when it's too hot and you don't need to score to move on, you don't make an effort. It makes perfect sense. If they decided to play hard, which is not smart of them, I'd support them too.
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They didn't make a subpar effort, THEY MADE NO EFFORT. And by doing so they robbed that other team of the bargain they made when they entered the competition - that every team will compete. They did not compete that day.

The other parent that submitted the video is a sore loser - entitled as heck. Thinking they have a right to force a bunch of girls to play the way they want them to because their poor daughters didn't do enough to control their own destiny in the tourney.
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You are confusing a team failing to play in a style that they would have preferred to NOT PLAYING AT ALL.

Frankly, you are what is wrong with youth sports today. Win at all costs. Who cares about ethics? Do what you need to advance, screw everyone else.
 
GLangevinito said:
Frankly, you are what is wrong with youth sports today. Win at all costs. Who cares about ethics? Do what you need to advance, screw everyone else.
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Geez! I guess you are a parent of one of the teams that didn't qualify?

Emma made a very good point: Did the coaches or players talk to each other to fix the game? If so, it's cheating. If they didn't and just decided to kick the ball around, that's just tactics for the game/tournament.
 
GLangevinito said:
Carlsbad didn't need to win. So why did they collude to throw the match? It wasn't about preventing injuries. Courtney could have played subs. She could have told them to lay back defensively. She could have told them to take their time and slow the pace of the game down. All acceptable. They did none of those things. They chose not to compete at all. Did you watch the video?

The only reason USYS did not disqualify both teams (as they should have), is that both coaches stuck to their lie that they did not collude, despite the video proving their statements false.



How is there a "high" risk of injury? More than any other match? And yes, if I were in Courtney's place on that day, I would have played all my subs, told them to save their strength and not kill themselves, but I would have TOLD THEM TO PLAY. Not sit back for an entire game without a defensive challenge.



They didn't make a subpar effort, THEY MADE NO EFFORT. And by doing so they robbed that other team of the bargain they made when they entered the competition - that every team will compete. They did not compete that day.



You are confusing a team failing to play in a style that they would have preferred to NOT PLAYING AT ALL.

Frankly, you are what is wrong with youth sports today. Win at all costs. Who cares about ethics? Do what you need to advance, screw everyone else.
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I could care less about which team made it to the next round or wins - that's the difference. I'll let the players and the coach decide how to strategize a tournament and not criticize them based on a video and an article, rather than listen to those who experienced the climate. I'm sorry that you feel everyone has to make the decisions you would have made during a game. I agree with Courtney. Why would I let my subs get injured in an unnecessary game in extreme heat? I need them for the elimination game too if it's going to be hot again, which it most likely will be. Some teams need to win and will have to play differently because they didn't play well enough to earn the right to have a choice not to play much.

The parent that sent in the video was angry because their kid didn't make it to the next round, blaming others and expecting others to make decisions that will benefit their child. It's not rec soccer. Those parents cared so much about winning and making it to the next round, they tried to humiliate a bunch of soccer players/coaches and demean their choice. The players and coaches get to make the decision on how they play the game, not parents on other teams hoping for a windfall. Don't send a video out to the public to bully coaches and kids because your kids can't control their destiny. It's lame and ruins the game. What should have been a fun time for girls that have worked hard to get there, turned into a negative event because parents had to blame others for their team's shortcomings.

Soccer is not just physical, soccer IQ includes knowing when to save your energy and when to play your hardest. Some games sharpen your skills, some games sharpen your mind and some games allow you to rest your body for the elimination round.
 
GLangevinito said:
Lots of excuses from the Carlsbad parents. It's VERY unlikely that the "players decided on their own" to pass the ball around and not play defense for 80 minutes. Players are there to play, no matter if they are hot, or tired, or a bench player. The video showed 64 consecutive passes completed by one side with no pressure before kicking it to the other team.

No matter what the competitive situation was, both coaches made the decision to not play and rob another team of an opportunity to advance, no matter how slim the chances were. It's shameful, and I would bet you that 100% of the girls who were on the field that day regret it. I blame the coaches.
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I just googled the video out of curiosity.

nypost.com

2 youth girls soccer teams fixed match, and it’s unwatchable

Two teams in the U.S. Youth Soccer National Championships in Frisco, Texas have been suspected of match fixing to ensure their survival in the tournament. Carlsbad Elite and Ambassadors FC entered …
nypost.com nypost.com

I’d pull my kids off the field mid game if they were doing this.
 
Emma said:
I could care less about which team made it to the next round or wins - that's the difference. I'll let the players and the coach decide how to strategize a tournament and not criticize them based on a video and an article, rather than listen to those who experienced the climate. I'm sorry that you feel everyone has to make the decisions you would have made during a game. I agree with Courtney. Why would I let my subs get injured in an unnecessary game in extreme heat? I need them for the elimination game too if it's going to be hot again, which it most likely will be. Some teams need to win and will have to play differently because they didn't play well enough to earn the right to have a choice not to play much.

The parent that sent in the video was angry because their kid didn't make it to the next round, blaming others and expecting others to make decisions that will benefit their child. It's not rec soccer. Those parents cared so much about winning and making it to the next round, they tried to humiliate a bunch of soccer players/coaches and demean their choice. The players and coaches get to make the decision on how they play the game, not parents on other teams hoping for a windfall. Don't send a video out to the public to bully coaches and kids because your kids can't control their destiny. It's lame and ruins the game. What should have been a fun time for girls that have worked hard to get there, turned into a negative event because parents had to blame others for their team's shortcomings.

Soccer is not just physical, soccer IQ includes knowing when to save your energy and when to play your hardest. Some games sharpen your skills, some games sharpen your mind and some games allow you to rest your body for the elimination round.
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In sports, "saving your energy" is not the same as what those teams did. Zero shots. 64 consecutive passes completed. Intentional turnovers. No defense.

There is no excuse for cheating and match fixing, no matter how good of an excuse you have. It violates the integrity of the sport.

Courtney should have just called in a forfeit if the playing conditions were so dangerous like you imply. It would have saved us all the embarrassment of watching that unethical pantomime, which is going to follow those players and those coaches around forever now. It's 5 years later and we are still talking about it.
 
GLangevinito said:
In sports, "saving your energy" is not the same as what those teams did. Zero shots. 64 consecutive passes completed. Intentional turnovers. No defense.

There is no excuse for cheating and match fixing, no matter how good of an excuse you have. It violates the integrity of the sport.

Courtney should have just called in a forfeit if the playing conditions were so dangerous like you imply. It would have saved us all the embarrassment of watching that unethical pantomime, which is going to follow those players and those coaches around forever now. It's 5 years later and we are still talking about it.
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Why? Courtney's team would move on regardless. They earned the right to play the way they want to. Those were the rules of the tournament. You win big enough in the previous games compared to your other group teams, you EARN the right to suck or put no effort in the last game.

After 5 years, I'm still fine with Courtney's decision and I'm proud that those SoCal girls did so well out there during that tournament.
 
Surf Zombie said:
I just googled the video out of curiosity.

nypost.com

2 youth girls soccer teams fixed match, and it’s unwatchable

Two teams in the U.S. Youth Soccer National Championships in Frisco, Texas have been suspected of match fixing to ensure their survival in the tournament. Carlsbad Elite and Ambassadors FC entered …
nypost.com nypost.com

I’d pull my kids off the field mid game if they were doing this.
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I love how the cr is still running back and forth into position taking the responsibility seriously even though it’s self evident this has stopped resembling a real soccer game. That’s some dedication right there. I would have just parked myself at the center spot and maybe even sat down in the grass. :cool:
 
Grace T. said:
I love how the cr is still running back and forth into position taking the responsibility seriously even though it’s self evident this has stopped resembling a real soccer game. That’s some dedication right there. I would have just parked myself at the center spot and maybe even sat down in the grass. :cool:
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Does the ref have the authority to call the game before time? why waste 45 mins when after 10 it is clear they won't attack each other?
 
Well, I wasn't going to come back on this but the soccer IQ thing swiveled me. To be clear, I have no idea what game people are going on about here. The thread is (was?) pet peeves-phoning it in for game three of the group stages if you can get away with it and move on is one of mine. The most recent example that I'm aware of is from the boys U17 side of far western regionals-two otherwise good teams making a spectacle of themselves trying not to score. One hopes the college scouts the players hoped to attract did not choose to watch that one. My personal view is that it is embarrassment for an otherwise strong program and not sporting. Others obviously feel that the strategic/tactical advantages that accrue with such a philosophy of play provide a sufficient rationale for this, that and the other reason. They are entitled to their views.

The thing I wanted to say was that I do not believe that the "skill" involved in going through the motions because a game seems "pointless" cannot be, or at least should not be, considered part of what is generally thought of as soccer IQ. To me, soccer IQ has to do with the ability for a player to read a game and execute within a system of play, not to avoid the game and not execute. The issue has to do more with an underlying philosophy of play, or to not play if you can get away with it, as the case may be. YMMV.
 
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