This pretty much sums up the mentality of the lock downers. Don't worry about delayed medical care for a serious illness because you only have a 2 in 5 chance of that happening, but really worry about a Covid infection because you have a 1 in 5 chance of that happening.
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Where in that article does it blame lockdowns?I know its a defense mechanism for you, but please stop speculating and/or just making shit up. This one is right up there with Utah has less Covid because they consume less alcohol. At least, Team Virus's speculation is typically within the realm of reasonableness and usually is backed up with some evidence.
"Delayed care has been widely reported during the COVID-19 pandemic, both for perceived serious medical issues and all types of medical care generally. Between March and August, our “Impact of Coronavirus on U.S. Households Survey” from the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, and National Public Radio found that 1 in 5 adults (20%) in the US reported their household members were unable to get or delayed getting medical care for serious problems. Among those reporting delayed care, more than half (57%) said they experienced negative health consequences as a result."
Delayed Care with Harmful Health Consequences—Reported Experiences from National Surveys During Coronavirus Disease 2019
The coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic has created unprecedented challenges to providing medical care for patients with conditions other than COVID-19 in the US.1 While lack of health insurance and other cost-associated barriers have long been considered driving forces preventing...jamanetwork.com
If these findings are even remotely correct, more adults had delayed care for serious health conditions (20%) than adults that had Covid infections (10% in SD) and around the same amount had negative health consequences due to delayed care as had been infected. Do you need any more evidence that the cure was worse than the disease? (There's plenty of other evidence but this alone should suffice).
It doesn't.
I'm not saying there is/was no problem with delayed care.
I am saying that delayed care has absolutely nothing to do with the lockdowns.
Do you have any evidence at all that school/bar/restaurant/church closures were responsible for delayed care at hospitals?
If no, then stop accusing others of "making shit up".
One of my favorite stories about retired doctors is the father of a kid who played for one of the high school teams my son coached. He was an orthopedic surgeon who developed carpal tunnel syndrome, making it difficult for him to perform his work. He underwent orthopedic surgery himself to correct the problem, but the operation left him less capable than he was before, ending his career. A quiet financial settlement and disability insurance payments allowed him to retire early.
You're classic. You can't provide any evidence of your own, only try to poke holes in the evidence from others.
Still waiting for your evidence to support Utah's fewer Covid deaths due to lower consumption of alcohol. If that's not the poster child for "making shit up" I don't know what is.
I have a serious illness (if I stop taking my twice-a-day medication I will die in a few weeks in misery) and a not-so-serious illness that just makes life more difficult. I haven't had to forego or delay treatment for either of them.
I have no idea where you got those numbers from.
I'm thankful that you were able to be taken care of, others weren't so fortunate. No one should have to forego medical treatment due to restrictions in place because of a response to Covid.
Bruddah IZ
DA
A medication you say? Lol! Stick to spell checking. Ur pritty good at it.
I guess my family has been lucky. None of us who are in continuing care for one issue or another have seen any real interruption, just more care taken at the medical offices to limit covid transmission. One close relative developed a nasty infection out of the blue and his care (as described by him at a distance) seems to be first-class.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Have a Coke and a smile.
Bruddah IZ
DA
How dare they.
Looks like ivermectin works. If world had prioritized repurposing of meds, they would have had enough to reduce deaths on the current wave in India.
More interesting the side effect of lockdowns and lack of border control. India reimposed lockdowns. Caused a lot of Nepalese workers to lose their jobs and head home. Created an outbreak in Nepal. Nepal's capital Kathmandu went into lockdown. Caused wage workers to go home to their villages. Spread the illness throughout Nepal.
More interesting the side effect of lockdowns and lack of border control. India reimposed lockdowns. Caused a lot of Nepalese workers to lose their jobs and head home. Created an outbreak in Nepal. Nepal's capital Kathmandu went into lockdown. Caused wage workers to go home to their villages. Spread the illness throughout Nepal.
What evidence? You haven’t provided a shred of evidence linking general population lockdowns to delayed meducal care.
I at least provided evidence that Utah has fewer bars and lower alcohol consumption. That seems reasonable support for a claim that Utah residents spend less time in bars than residents of other states.
You provided nothing to substantiate your claim. You link the delayed medical care to “restrictions”, but that is nonsense. The vast majority of restrictions have absolutely nothing to do with medical care.
If you mean, “get rid of the medical restrictions”, then please explain how we could have done that last April without spreading covid at medical facilities and infecting our doctors and nurses.
Desert Hound
DA
Apparently you don't look up from your models too often.
There has been a ton of reporting on this issue. A quick search pulls this up on page one of google.com
People scared to go out because they were told not to go out (lockdowns). State govs telling hospitals not do do elective type work, and so on.
More Than One-Third of U.S. Adults Delayed or Skipped ...
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1 in 5 Adults Delayed Medical Care Due To COVID-19, Study Finds
A study conducted by the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health examines how the pandemic has led to delayed care and associated health risks.
Collateral damage of COVID-19 pandemic: Delayed medical care - PubMed
During the COVID-19 pandemic, emergency room visits have drastically decreased for non-COVID conditions such as appendicitis, heart attack, and stroke. Patients may be avoiding seeking medical attention for fear of catching the deadly condition or as an unintended consequence of stay-at-home...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
About 1 In 5 Households In U.S. Cities Miss Needed Medical Care During Pandemic
Some people have skipped care because of finances or fear of the virus, doctors say. Others find medical practices closed to new patients. Many are suffering health consequences, an NPR poll finds.
www.npr.org
And so on.
The argument apparently surrounds whether the delayed medical care was due to lockdowns (as watfly maintains) or due just to people freaking out and refusing to get medical care and/or doctors refusing to provide medical care and putting up a bunch of restrictions (as dad4 maintains).Apparently you don't look up from your models too often.
There has been a ton of reporting on this issue. A quick search pulls this up on page one of google.com
People scared to go out because they were told not to go out (lockdowns). State govs telling hospitals not do do elective type work, and so on.
More Than One-Third of U.S. Adults Delayed or Skipped ...
www.healthleadersmedia.com › nursing › more-one-thi...
1 in 5 Adults Delayed Medical Care Due To COVID-19, Study Finds
A study conducted by the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health examines how the pandemic has led to delayed care and associated health risks.www.verywellhealth.com
Collateral damage of COVID-19 pandemic: Delayed medical care - PubMed
During the COVID-19 pandemic, emergency room visits have drastically decreased for non-COVID conditions such as appendicitis, heart attack, and stroke. Patients may be avoiding seeking medical attention for fear of catching the deadly condition or as an unintended consequence of stay-at-home...
About 1 In 5 Households In U.S. Cities Miss Needed Medical Care During Pandemic
Some people have skipped care because of finances or fear of the virus, doctors say. Others find medical practices closed to new patients. Many are suffering health consequences, an NPR poll finds.
And so on.
As usual, the truth is somewhere in between. I'm sure (and I know of 1 person) that delayed medical treatments, for example a heart attack, because they did not want to go to an emergency room filled with COVID. Europe responded to this in many countries by dividing up COVID and non COVID entrances. The US by large contrast just prioritized COVID, in part because of the situation in New York which was because of the media hysterics transplanted to a lot of other areas. Also neglected is the role state health advice, county health advice and medical association advice played in the way doctor's altered their practices....most of the advice of which was temperature checks and restrict to remote practice where possible, which my own case illustrates how it creates an obstacle, particularly if the person seeking care has a temperature for reasons other than COVID and at the time COVID tests were not easily available. There's also the plain fact that the lockdowns (not to mention the media panic drumbeat) fed the panic and made people judge that being exposed to COVID in the hospital was probably worse than dealing with their heartattacks. But the simple fact remains that Utah did it very differently than California (I had no problems getting care in Utah whereas here it was a maze of restrictions so something is very different in Utah v. California), or if dad prefers, Europe did it very different.
Yours in futbol
SILVER
At this point, the only reason why I come to this thread is to see whether you are still active and responding to these people.
There is something reassuring about you consistently maintaining composure and an even tone despite the constant trolling, personal insults, and half-baked arguments.
It's almost like, "Gee, maybe there's hope for Western Civilization after all if dad4 can keep at it in that OT snakepit."
"consistently maintaining composure and even tone"....that one is funny.....tribalism is a strange thing.
Covid didn't create the interruption to medical care. The response to Covid, aka the restrictions, the lockdown, call it whatever you want caused the interruption which was a fear based overreaction. Obviously, I have the benefit of hindsight to prove that point, but it was seriously questioned at the time. (Go back and check my posts, I had a graphic that explained the potential ramifications of these restrictions which have now come true). This is not a hard concept to understand, I don't know if you're just dense, or intentionally being dense because it doesn't fit your narrative.
The only time you could make a plausible argument that Covid caused a delay in medical care and not the restrictions themselves, would have been a couple weeks during the winter spike where some hospitals were overwhelmed. However, I believe most of the interruptions to care took place in Spring and Summer 2020. By Fall non-Covid medical care had opened up significantly.
I had forgotten about the prohibition on elective surgeries. Just FYI, elective surgeries are not just facelifts and boob jobs. Elective surgeries for the most parent are anything other than emergency surgery. Elective surgeries includes surgeries to relieve or fix some very serious, debilitating and/or life threatening conditions.Apparently you don't look up from your models too often.
There has been a ton of reporting on this issue. A quick search pulls this up on page one of google.com
People scared to go out because they were told not to go out (lockdowns). State govs telling hospitals not do do elective type work, and so on.
More Than One-Third of U.S. Adults Delayed or Skipped ...
www.healthleadersmedia.com › nursing › more-one-thi...
1 in 5 Adults Delayed Medical Care Due To COVID-19, Study Finds
A study conducted by the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health examines how the pandemic has led to delayed care and associated health risks.
Collateral damage of COVID-19 pandemic: Delayed medical care - PubMed
During the COVID-19 pandemic, emergency room visits have drastically decreased for non-COVID conditions such as appendicitis, heart attack, and stroke. Patients may be avoiding seeking medical attention for fear of catching the deadly condition or as an unintended consequence of stay-at-home...
About 1 In 5 Households In U.S. Cities Miss Needed Medical Care During Pandemic
Some people have skipped care because of finances or fear of the virus, doctors say. Others find medical practices closed to new patients. Many are suffering health consequences, an NPR poll finds.
And so on.
Desert Hound
DA
@Grace T.
A follow on to a link you posted last week.
mtracey.substack.com
A follow on to a link you posted last week.
As New Evidence Emerges For COVID "Lab-Leak" Theory, Journalists Who Screamed “Conspiracy” Humiliate Themselves
Over and over again early last year, as the COVID pandemic was ramping up but hadn’t yet reached the US in earnest, journalists working at prominent national publications claimed to have conclusive knowledge about the origins of the virus. It was trafficking in a “conspiracy theory” that had...
mtracey.substack.com
One more reason our state is F'ed up in regards to Covid.
So my daughter, a junior, was scheduled to take the SAT in 3 weeks and has been studying diligently. They just cancelled it today because of Covid. So now she either has to go to Arizona to take it, or wait until August to take it, giving her only one shot at the exam and hope it isn't cancelled again.
This year's California seniors had no opportunity to take the ACT or the SAT last year. While many schools have gone test optional or test blind for admissions that is not the case for merit money. We know a few families that can't afford the out of state school of their choice because they didn't have test scores. Compounding the problem is that more in-state students have then been applying to UC schools because of the pandemic, but unless you have a unique sob story, or check all of the woke identity boxes you aren't getting in. The UC schools prefer out of state students because of the higher tuition.
So my daughter, a junior, was scheduled to take the SAT in 3 weeks and has been studying diligently. They just cancelled it today because of Covid. So now she either has to go to Arizona to take it, or wait until August to take it, giving her only one shot at the exam and hope it isn't cancelled again.
This year's California seniors had no opportunity to take the ACT or the SAT last year. While many schools have gone test optional or test blind for admissions that is not the case for merit money. We know a few families that can't afford the out of state school of their choice because they didn't have test scores. Compounding the problem is that more in-state students have then been applying to UC schools because of the pandemic, but unless you have a unique sob story, or check all of the woke identity boxes you aren't getting in. The UC schools prefer out of state students because of the higher tuition.