Nor Cal Return to Play

I am not sure I understood your comments. But, I guess we have to define what's kiddie sport for you and for me. My kid is having 4 practices a week and a game over weekend. As you can guess, it's very completive league where you need to proof to coach and yourself every single practice you belong there. You try to compete wearing a mask in that environment and I want to see what you say after 5-10 minutes of trying. I even say it's more harm for young athlete to practice and play in that condition.
Again, I am totally fine if your kid or any other kid wear a mask. And, frankly, I am totally fine if they wear a plastic bag with a few holes over their head. It's their rights.
For your argument that not anybody died wearing a mask I'd like to ask you if anyone died of not wearing a mask playing soccer. For me, if based on the science (availability of the data and its analyses and not just what's in someone head after reading some articles from the internet) , the decision was made to allow completive sport then let kids to participate it without masks. If it's still not safe then don't open the sport and keep it on oxygen level (10-25 feet apart of the opponents).
If you really (I mean who ever is in charge) care and want to open sport safely then provide guidance for different categories (Age, Level of play (rec or competitive) , and etc. But, I guess it requires to do more work and cooperates with others. In my understanding it's to much to ask from those who are establishing all those mandates and requirements.
As for calling some folks whiners or something else I will leave it with no comments.
Excellent points. If NBA players wear a mask, then I will tell my dd to quit sports all together. This is the biggest crock ever played.
 
Kids should NOT have to wear masks when playing, it should be totally up to the kid...

But spectators and coaches should wear masks, and everybody eligible should be getting vaccinated.....not saying you have to like it, but let's keep the players playing.....

People should NOT have to drive sober, it should be totally up to them!

Kids should NOT have to go to school without guns and ammo, it should be totally up to them!

Kids should NOT be required to stay home if they have Ebola, it should be totally up to them!
 
I am not sure I understood your comments. But, I guess we have to define what's kiddie sport for you and for me. My kid is having 4 practices a week and a game over weekend. As you can guess, it's very completive league where you need to proof to coach and yourself every single practice you belong there. You try to compete wearing a mask in that environment and I want to see what you say after 5-10 minutes of trying. I even say it's more harm for young athlete to practice and play in that condition.
Again, I am totally fine if your kid or any other kid wear a mask. And, frankly, I am totally fine if they wear a plastic bag with a few holes over their head. It's their rights.
For your argument that not anybody died wearing a mask I'd like to ask you if anyone died of not wearing a mask playing soccer. For me, if based on the science (availability of the data and its analyses and not just what's in someone head after reading some articles from the internet) , the decision was made to allow completive sport then let kids to participate it without masks. If it's still not safe then don't open the sport and keep it on oxygen level (10-25 feet apart of the opponents).
If you really (I mean who ever is in charge) care and want to open sport safely then provide guidance for different categories (Age, Level of play (rec or competitive) , and etc. But, I guess it requires to do more work and cooperates with others. In my understanding it's to much to ask from those who are establishing all those mandates and requirements.
As for calling some folks whiners or something else I will leave it with no comments.

Your kid winning a soccer game over the next couple weeks while hundreds of millions get vaccinated is inconsequential. If you think any soccer game that your kid plays over the next few weeks is so important that the players should not wear masks, you have a real problem. Your kid is playing a game played by children.

The American Association of Pediatrics recommends it, and that is that. They are the experts, and they are looking at the most up-to-date information. You’re a dad who clearly takes his kiddie sports way too seriously. If playing in a mask is too much for your kid, his soccer career is almost over anyway, so what’s the big deal? It’s not like he has the athletic ability to play on college, let alone pro.
 
Why have the rule? To encourage mask use.


So what's your solution? Refuse to have your kid wear a mask, and then, if the County pulls the field permit, hire an attorney to file a TRO/preliminary injunction and litigate a month plus in state superior court to reverse the County's decision?

Wouldn't it be easier to ask your kid to wear the stupid mask around his or her neck (leaving the nose and mouth free most of the time) like everyone else for a few months until we're past this farce? That's what the players in both my kids' clubs are doing.

I think litigation is a great tool and I love Californians' interest in pursuing it, but it's also expensive and time consuming. And it's not a good idea to rush to it as plan A without a reasonable cost/benefit analysis of alternative approaches?
 
So what's your solution? Refuse to have your kid wear a mask, and then, if the County pulls the field permit, hire an attorney to file a TRO/preliminary injunction and litigate a month plus in state superior court to reverse the County's decision?

Wouldn't it be easier to ask your kid to wear the stupid mask around his or her neck (leaving the nose and mouth free most of the time) like everyone else for a few months until we're past this farce? That's what the players in both my kids' clubs are doing.

I think litigation is a great tool and I love Californians' interest in pursuing it, but it's also expensive and time consuming. And it's not a good idea to rush to it as plan A without a reasonable cost/benefit analysis of alternative approaches?
You don’t understand. Anon’s kid is good at soccer. Really really good. She plays in a letter league. That changes everything. She certainly should not have to follow any of the rules that apply to other people.

Besides, keep it in perspective. What is more important, having permits so thousands of bronze and rec kids can putter about, or a half dozen really good maskless ECNL games? The ECNL games, of course.

The city, county, and CDPH should all just drop whatever it is they are doing and bow down before her amazing ball skills.
 
The American Association of Pediatrics says you’re wrong.

The AAP says I am wrong about not liking unreasonable bullies (like you and Trump), or they say I am wrong that there has yet to be a single documented case of Covid transmission in any of the hundreds of thousands of outdoor soccer games in the past 12 months?

Both are 100% correct, and while it isn't surprising the American Association of Pediatrics might want to put out a "better safe than sorry" policy, please point me to specifically what they say I am wrong about.
 
You don’t understand. Anon’s kid is good at soccer. Really really good. She plays in a letter league. That changes everything. She certainly should not have to follow any of the rules that apply to other people.

Besides, keep it in perspective. What is more important, having permits so thousands of bronze and rec kids can putter about, or a half dozen really good maskless ECNL games? The ECNL games, of course.

The city, county, and CDPH should all just drop whatever it is they are doing and bow down before her amazing ball skills.
You're the one making up rules that don't exist. If you're scared, stay home. What the hell don't you understand that masks are not mandated. What the hell is wrong with people like you? You are trying to speak it into existence. Your own DOC told you mask will not be mandated. If you don't like it, have balls and stand up for your beliefs and leave. Of course, you don't have balls so you'll just continue to be a keyboard warrior.
 
The AAP says I am wrong about not liking unreasonable bullies (like you and Trump), or they say I am wrong that there has yet to be a single documented case of Covid transmission in any of the hundreds of thousands of outdoor soccer games in the past 12 months?

Both are 100% correct, and while it isn't surprising the American Association of Pediatrics might want to put out a "better safe than sorry" policy, please point me to specifically what they say I am wrong about.
Nope. Don’t have to because you already know that a “better safe than sorry” policy is being implemented here. We are dealing with an administrative agency that’s entitled to determine what their regulations mean. How one feels or what one thinks has absolutely no bearing on the issue.
 
With all due respect: I wouldn't call you a sheep but I would call you a fool and for those who mandate wearing a mask for very competitive outdoor sport I call them incompetent of understanding what the competitive sport is. If you think you can wear a mask while sprinting, pushing, and battling for the ball you are completely mistaken. And then saying if you ae out of air and can't breath take it off and put back - that is compromising the purpose of wearing a mask And then you should bring with a you a few more masks as they will get turned and soak. And what I hear from my son's club that they won't enforce to make sure it's on your face but you must have it some where around your face. It's a total farce.

I am totally fine with everyone who asks their kids to wear it but if you permitted to play youth completive outdoor sport then don't make it a farce. Also, it's funny, for the safety of the player it's not allowed to wear any bracelets , any kind of earrings or necklaces but wearing mask around their necks is totally safe.

How does instructing my daughter to follow the rules from the entity that issued the permit make me a fool? Are you saying I should have marched on the field and raised hell because of a mask after not playing for a year? Yeah, I don’t think so. We live in this community and I prefer to not make an ass out of myself.

As far as playing and wearing the mask, if my middle aged self can wear the mask when I go to exercise outside at Orange Theory for an hour I’m pretty sure the majority of these very in shape atheletes can handle it.
 
I already asked them what league this is and no one is answering. Dad 4, what league is this guy saying he will pull his team if no mask? This sound like rec at best. AYSO is way more competitive. I think it's bull crap lie. He even says some T supporter is pacing up and down the fence having a melt down. Listen and listen well folks. No dad with a goat would even be in this league. This is all propaganda bull dung lie is my best guess. Where is Deza BTW?
I can not speak for Dad4 but I can assure you that this is happening in the letter leagues, not rec. It is NorCal return play- which includes ECNL, GA, NPL and everyone else.The games I saw this weekend were in Contra Costa County with teams traveling from Alameda County.
 
We've had 2 of our own games and watched another (from a distance.) MOST parents were good about the mask rule and kids wore them while on the bench, (on the grass rather, because we can't have a bench.)
The refs also wore them. We did play one team that only had about 1/2 the sidelines in masks- not our club, so I don't know their rules? When we play at home, we have board members walking around making sure the sidelines are following the rules.
ETA: this is a norcal club, can't speak to anything else.
 
The idiocy.

Should kids wear masks? No.

Why?

They are not at any risk. Having them wear masks while playing other kids is the height of idiocy.

Per the CDC as of now you have had just over 200 people under that age of 17 die NATIONWIDE since covid started.
 
Well, leadership in Sac Town is now blaming all the recall crap on those who dont like mask and are anti vaccine. He said he's ready to fight. I swear i wear a mask but hate it. Can I at least complain about it? I will not tolerate people like you telling me my kid has to wear a mask if she wants to ball. Your new rules suck!!!
there is no leadership in Sac town
 
This is a crazy conversation. If a someone says they won't play with a mask, then why would the field permits matter to them? They don't care if the permits are pulled for a game they won't play anyways.

Likewise, If you don't want to play a team that isn't masked, then don't play if they don't have masks on. Since masking isn't being enforced, you should probably have the conversation with the other team ahead of time to keep it from getting weird.

It is up to the two teams to agree upon the rules...which is what happens every game. If you don't like the rules, don't play. You can't force people to play. You can just make the rules and let people decide if they want to play using them. If masks become required equipment (like shin guards or whatever) then people can make the decision if they want to play under that rule.
 
This is a crazy conversation. If a someone says they won't play with a mask, then why would the field permits matter to them? They don't care if the permits are pulled for a game they won't play anyways.

Likewise, If you don't want to play a team that isn't masked, then don't play if they don't have masks on. Since masking isn't being enforced, you should probably have the conversation with the other team ahead of time to keep it from getting weird.

It is up to the two teams to agree upon the rules
...which is what happens every game. If you don't like the rules, don't play. You can't force people to play. You can just make the rules and let people decide if they want to play using them. If masks become required equipment (like shin guards or whatever) then people can make the decision if they want to play under that rule.
Weird life were all living in. The poor kids have to be in the middle of all the bs. I heard about a fight over mask hoops and no mask hoops. Its getting so chippy on the courts they have to have a mask game and then a no mask game. It's becoming a mask of honor and if your anti mask and a badge of vax. I'm way more anti abortion. If someone wants to fight me for that anti stance, then come bring it :)
 
This is a crazy conversation. If a someone says they won't play with a mask, then why would the field permits matter to them? They don't care if the permits are pulled for a game they won't play anyways.

Likewise, If you don't want to play a team that isn't masked, then don't play if they don't have
Weird life were all living in. The poor kids have to be in the middle of all the bs. I heard about a fight over mask hoops and no mask hoops. Its getting so chippy on the courts they have to have a mask game and then a no mask game. It's becoming a mask of honor and if your anti mask and a badge of vax. I'm way more anti abortion. If someone wants to fight me for that anti stance, then come bring it :)
Off topic please
 
The AAP says I am wrong about not liking unreasonable bullies (like you and Trump), or they say I am wrong that there has yet to be a single documented case of Covid transmission in any of the hundreds of thousands of outdoor soccer games in the past 12 months?

Both are 100% correct, and while it isn't surprising the American Association of Pediatrics might want to put out a "better safe than sorry" policy, please point me to specifically what they say I am wrong about.

I get that trumpanzees disregard the advice of medical experts because it interferes with their ability to be idiots. The one guy claimed words don’t mean what they mean. You claim the foremost experts in the field are just making s**t up because they’d rather just cover their asses than actually make policy recommendations in their area of expertise. Pretty soon @MSK357 will jump in and say it’s all a hoax, people are only dying “with covid” but if anyone ever did die wearing a mask, in that case they died “because of” the mask, not “with the mask”. Then Grace Karen will chime in that masks don’t work, and then go berate some poor soccer ref after she’s done with the Costco manager. Finally, @crush will meme Jenny McCarthy claiming vaccines cause autism, and then blame a soccer club for trying to ruin his kid’s life. In one sentence y’all deny science, and the. you claim that it’s science behind your anti-science.

In short, your rejection of the advice of the foremost experts on the issue puts you right there with all the other idiots.
 
Back
Top