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watfly said:
-Far and away his biggest achievement is energy independence. Geopolitically that can't be underestimated.
-Wiped out ISIS (to some extent I believe Obama got the ball rolling, but you don't get credit for putting out fires you started)
-Release of hostages and political prisoners without giving up much
-Elimination of Soleimani, Baghdadi
-Brought troops home, no new wars
-Made NATO partners more accountable
-Normalized relations between certain Arab countries and Israel (although those aren't major countries in the Middle East conflict, that was far more than what his predecessors accomplished
-Made some inroads on the trade abuses of China
-The Paris Accord whether in it, or out of it, is really meaningless to me.

I didn't agree with his reversal of Cuba policy.

I won't claim he is a foreign policy genius, he is not. Other than energy independence, most of his foreign achievements were modest.
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Gosh, Mr. Apologist, there were two things Cadet Bone Spurs did not completely screw up, so let’s ignore his actual abysmal record, the worst in history.

 
NorCalDad said:
I'm not a big american football fan, but when my grandparents were alive, I never once went to a super bowl party where they were in attendance. That's just one data point :)
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Grace was just giving me grief. The point on no testing sure for bowl parties still stands.

Besides, grandma can't go to the party because she's in Texas, reviewing HS tapes and recruiting a new WR for the 'Huskers.
 
dad4 said:
Half I agree with, but there are some Syrian Kurds who might question your use of the word “consistent”.
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The Syrian Kurd scenario is quite complex. They straddle both sides of the fence and have often been their own worst enemy and a great ally (situationally driven). Their conditions didn't spiral out of control as badly as most western, hysterical media and pundits predicted. We still enjoy a healthy relationship with them on the ground. Strategically, it's likely easier for them to leverage their influence without having us right there. They prefer to leverage our existence in the form of bombs, missiles, and the occasional SOF raid. They like us over the border in Iraq, keeping the Turks in check. They are a savvy bunch.

Kurds in general are complex, spread across 4 countries. Even with their abandonment in 1991, the Iraqi Kurds enjoy the most power and stability in the region, insulated from much of the general drama that is a characteristics of their people.

The complexity of the entire situation exceeds MSM's ability to explain. It certainly exceeds the capacity and capability of your average congressmen and senator.
 
happy9 said:
Ha...an opinion piece..
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Uh, anonymous @watfly giving his opinion regarding the foreign “policy” of Mr. Can’t Hold a Glass of Water or Walk Down a Ramp is an opinion “piece”. The Washington Post’s opinion piece, however, is based on actual fact. Go back to your fact free Parler if you need to make yourself feel better.
 
EOTL said:
Uh, anonymous @watfly giving his opinion regarding the foreign “policy” of Mr. Can’t Hold a Glass of Water or Walk Down a Ramp is an opinion “piece”. The Washington Post’s opinion piece, however, is based on actual fact. Go back to your fact free Parler if you need to make yourself feel better.
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Never mind about Parler. Still down. Maybe you can get the “real” scoop on Twitter from the Mein Pillow guy instead.
 
happy9 said:
The Syrian Kurd scenario is quite complex. They straddle both sides of the fence and have often been their own worst enemy and a great ally (situationally driven). Their conditions didn't spiral out of control as badly as most western, hysterical media and pundits predicted. We still enjoy a healthy relationship with them on the ground. Strategically, it's likely easier for them to leverage their influence without having us right there. They prefer to leverage our existence in the form of bombs, missiles, and the occasional SOF raid. They like us over the border in Iraq, keeping the Turks in check. They are a savvy bunch.

Kurds in general are complex, spread across 4 countries. Even with their abandonment in 1991, the Iraqi Kurds enjoy the most power and stability in the region, insulated from much of the general drama that is a characteristics of their people.

The complexity of the entire situation exceeds MSM's ability to explain. It certainly exceeds the capacity and capability of your average congressmen and senator.
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It’s the mid east. Of course it is complicated.

That does not explain why we spent years building a relationship with them, only to abandon them without warning.

“it’s complicated, you wouldn’t understand” is rarely used by someone whose policy is defensible. It’s used by someone who doesn’t want to have to defend a mistake. So they change the subject, throw around some FUD, and claim it is too complicated for mere mortals to think about.
 
dad4 said:
It’s the mid east. Of course it is complicated.

That does not explain why we spent years building a relationship with them, only to abandon them without warning.

“it’s complicated, you wouldn’t understand” is rarely used by someone whose policy is defensible. It’s used by someone who doesn’t want to have to defend a mistake. So they change the subject, throw around some FUD, and claim it is too complicated for mere mortals to think about.
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It isn’t complicated when they’re woot wooting b.s. “progress” between Israel and nobody countries that have no actual impact on Middle East relations. Hey look! The Tangerine Tantrum in (former) Chief stayed within the lines in his coloring book, therefore he is a better artist than Picasso!
 
EOTL said:
Democrats immature? Your Magat-in-Chief spent virtually all day every day tweeting immature nonsense for four years. The current face of the GQP claims school shootings are a false flag operation by Democrats and that 9/11 was a hoax. Teddy Boy Cruz runs reelection ads where he claims to make machine gun bacon. Your entire party is a pathetic joke. Compare that to our current president, a real one, who hasn’t said a single immature thing. Neither did Obama in eight years.

You claim that this historical pandemic has been mishandled by democrats despite a GQP president and Senate is a sad joke. People lost their jobs and can’t put food on the table because our federal government was incompetent. It spent months lying to you while Covid-19 spread like crazy. It botched the vaccine implementation and delivery. It failed to provide assistance to people that was desperately needed. We would not be in this mess, and states would not be forced to take unilateral action, if our federal government had provided even the slightest degree of competence or had national policy that involved mote than “don’t wear masks” and maybe look into whether injecting bleach into your lungs and sunshine up your ass is not leadership.

You’re just a typical Excremento magat loser. You’ll blame Newsom for whatever it takes if it means you can keep sucking your master’s cheeto-flavored (and sized) penis.
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Did you look me up, stalker ladyboy? Hey, since Trump is gone and you can’t get pregnant, why are you here?
 
dad4 said:
It’s the mid east. Of course it is complicated.

That does not explain why we spent years building a relationship with them, only to abandon them without warning.

“it’s complicated, you wouldn’t understand” is rarely used by someone whose policy is defensible. It’s used by someone who doesn’t want to have to defend a mistake. So they change the subject, throw around some FUD, and claim it is too complicated for mere mortals to think about.
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Can't disagree more. The Syrian Kurds weren't abandoned, we pulled out of the terrain that Turkey intended to seize. NATO alliance (unfortunately) is more important than the shaky alliance forged with Kurd factions that are designated as terrorists groups by a NATO ally. The Kurds often do these things to themselves. They in fact have conducted terrorist operations into Turkey. We remained in place throughout northern syria, except where Turkey decided to plant their flag. To this day, we partner with all of the SDF Kurds. To what end? no one really knows or cares. Just another way to spend american taxpayer dollars without a strategy.

The MSM puts out crap that is inherently wrong, vauge, or advantageous to their position. It's unfortunate.

Beyond that, failed policy and inadequate decision making back during the "red line" tough talk debacle put us in the backseat in Syria early on. But that's a whole other story. We haven't had a coherent policy in the middle east in...well...forever. Leaving in a coherent manner is a start.
 
EOTL said:
Go to the CDC website and read what they actually say.
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I thought you had changed your view and were going to start advocating people get back out there. Then you can get rid of all the "maggots" that way. What happened?

Your responses continue to prove that you just don't get it, I will continue to try and teach you. Those kids who are not in school are going to be the ones you giving food stamps to in a few years or ones that become lifers at McDonalds. The ones in zoom class with a black screen or can't get on zoom because their internet is constantly going out. But hey, keep them at home where they are safe. Guess what dude, kids that are in a better socio-economic environment don't have those problems. They are at a private school in class (one reason public school enrollment is so low,) they are getting tutoring, and they have the equipment to be able to learn virtually (like dual monitors, not some tiny laptop that you can't even see the screen)

I told you not to mention schools and you continue to think you know. Sure, keep them at home, but remember that is how the rich get richer and the poorer get poorer.... you are going to see such a big learning gap between those that continued their education and the ones that missed a year and a half of school....they are going to be so far behind, no way they can catch up....especially if they are a junior or senior.

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EOTL said:
Uh, anonymous @watfly giving his opinion regarding the foreign “policy” of Mr. Can’t Hold a Glass of Water or Walk Down a Ramp is an opinion “piece”. The Washington Post’s opinion piece, however, is based on actual fact. Go back to your fact free Parler if you need to make yourself feel better.
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Parler? really.
 
EOTL said:
It isn’t complicated when they’re woot wooting b.s. “progress” between Israel and nobody countries that have no actual impact on Middle East relations. Hey look! The Tangerine Tantrum in (former) Chief stayed within the lines in his coloring book, therefore he is a better artist than Picasso!
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Most analysts view the recent agreements as progress.

Give the Cheeto his due.

Then vote to convict. I certainly don’t want him back.
 
EOTL said:
It isn’t complicated when they’re woot wooting b.s. “progress” between Israel and nobody countries that have no actual impact on Middle East relations. Hey look! The Tangerine Tantrum in (former) Chief stayed within the lines in his coloring book, therefore he is a better artist than Picasso!
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Nonsensical gibberish again. Stick with whatever you think your strengths are.
 
dad4 said:
Most analysts view the recent agreements as progress.

Give the Cheeto his due.

Then vote to convict. I certainly don’t want him back.
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Sorry, but no. Forcing Iran to go nuclear and ratcheting up even more Sunni v Shiite animosity makes his Middle East foreign policy an an abject disaster, and just another mess that will need to get cleaned up.
 
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