Let Them Play CA

dad4 said:
Any place screams gentrification when rents double and techies move in. It happened to the west side of the bay and Rockridge first, because they’re closer to the source of the imbalance.

Dems gonna do anything about the housing shortage, or just wait for rents to double when Facebook or Twitter opens an office in Vallejo?
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If Facebook and Twitter comes to Vallejo, I’m okay with the rent doubling. Downtown Vallejo is depressing and it’s a damn shame considering it sits on the Bay with a direct ferry to the Embarcadero or Fisherman’s Warf.
 
soccersc said:
An interesting meeting coming this Thursday...coupled with the NFHS new guidelines, hopefully this is coming to an end
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Football coaches’ advocacy group has ‘really good meeting’ with governor’s office

The group is working with state officials to allow high school sports to start in California. ‘We’re moving in the right direction,’ one of the group’s leaders says after Tuesday&…
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Newsome is screwed. Facing an uprising due to lockdown policy and the unions won't budge. He is caught between them. Recall vs traditional ally. Can't have it both ways and he is feeling the pressure.
 
MacDre said:
If Facebook and Twitter comes to Vallejo, I’m okay with the rent doubling. Downtown Vallejo is depressing and it’s a damn shame considering it sits on the Bay with a direct ferry to the Embarcadero or Fisherman’s Warf.
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Sounds great if your goal is purely to generate capital gains for existing homeowners. I thought your goal included helping low income folks, too.

Apparently not.
 
tjinaz said:
OK calling this for my homie Desert Hound... he called it. Weather a determining factor in COVID spread more so than mask or social distancing.


The weather has a bigger impact on COVID spread than social distancing
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If true this puts to rest the entire the outbreaks were caused by thanksgiving and Christmas. While the holidays may have contributed a bump or slowed rates of decline, the weather and seasons were always the prime factor. It was also the height of stupidity for California to remain closed in summer/fall when it should have been saving that bullet for winter, if at all
 
dad4 said:
Sounds great if your goal is purely to generate capital gains for existing homeowners. I thought your goal included helping low income folks, too.

Apparently not.
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I think it will help low income folks too. For example, the single mom living on a section 8 housing voucher that has to send her kids to Vallejo or Hogan H.S. will have better funded schools. If the tech companies come the 23 y/o yuppie couple will have a bay area location where they can work AND afford to buy a house. The low income folks that inherited houses that they can’t afford to maintain will gain equity to help.

And Vallejo also has a few nice trailer parks. My niece is graduating college this year and will not make much money because she’s a do gooder committed to nonprofit work. She can’t afford rent in Berkeley. I am helping her purchase a trailer between the maritime academy police station and the coast guard facility. We are paying 95k. The place is much nicer than the average rental in Berkeley or Lake Merrit area in Oakland. She can take daily walks over the Carquinez Bridge.
 
tjinaz said:
OK calling this for my homie Desert Hound... he called it. Weather a determining factor in COVID spread more so than mask or social distancing.


The weather has a bigger impact on COVID spread than social distancing
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Unless you have some way to control the weather, how does this help?
MacDre said:
I think it will help low income folks too. For example, the single mom living on a section 8 housing voucher that has to send her kids to Vallejo or Hogan H.S. will have better funded schools. If the tech companies come the 23 y/o yuppie couple will have a bay area location where they can work AND afford to buy a house. The low income folks that inherited houses that they can’t afford to maintain will gain equity to help.

And Vallejo also has a few nice trailer parks. My niece is graduating college this year and will not make much money because she’s a do gooder committed to nonprofit work. She can’t afford rent in Berkeley. I am helping her purchase a trailer between the maritime academy police station and the coast guard facility. We are paying 95k. The place is much nicer than the average rental in Berkeley or Lake Merrit area in Oakland. She can take daily walks over the Carquinez Bridge.
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Sure, IF you already have a Section 8 voucher.

How does that help a young family who don't have a Section 8 voucher?

When we refuse to allow home construction, young families get screwed. It might look ok to people who own or who already have Section 8 or rent control. But young renters are SOL.

Good luck to your niece. Careful with the trailer parks. Some park owners are all too happy to raise rents to squeeze the equity from your investment. Others are decent.
 
Grace T. said:
Sometimes the answer to "something must be done" is "nothing can be done" or "not much can be done" Because if the prescribed policy doesn't actually do anything, you are just creating unintended consequences for no good reason (and which affect people's lives in very harmful and real ways)
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How does “weather is a major factor” imply “not much can be done”?

The real point of the article is that the models should account for weather. Which is true.

But you seem to want to use weather as an excuse for claiming that no policies do anything. Which is false.
 
dad4 said:
How does “weather is a major factor” imply “not much can be done”?

The real point of the article is that the models should account for weather. Which is true.

But you seem to want to use weather as an excuse for claiming that no policies do anything. Which is false.
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The article supports the position that many of us have been arguing that weather/seasonality is the primary driver of cases (much more than distancing or Npis...we don’t know the ratios...but from the curves we’ve seen the differences is likely on several orders of impact). You asked the question if you can’t control the weather how is it helpful. I point out why is the standard “helpful”? Sometimes it just points out (at least that aspect of) things can’t be controlled. You then answer your own question and say well the modeling (there’s another one too that flows from modeling....since you can’t lockdown forever if you must lockdown don’t do it during happy times like summer).

the fact though remains that beyond the hard lockdowns of China and Australia and isolated countries like Taiwan and New Zealand no where in the world has managed to control the virus with Npis. This article is just another explanation as to why. If seasonality is the primary driver, you can’t control the weather.

the npis at most help only on the margins...help you be Denmark instead of Sweden, California instead of Florida (oops...I meant Arizona). But the health experts never calculated the costs of their npis (only the benefits) especially among the easiest to target (the kids): whether resulting depressions, suicide, drop in health, abuse or substance abuse resulting from lost schools, closed playgrounds, closed activities, restricted socializing, and sports.
 
Grace T. said:
The article supports the position that many of us have been arguing that weather/seasonality is the primary driver of cases (much more than distancing or Npis...we don’t know the ratios...but from the curves we’ve seen the differences is likely on several orders of impact). You asked the question if you can’t control the weather how is it helpful. I point out why is the standard “helpful”? Sometimes it just points out (at least that aspect of) things can’t be controlled. You then answer your own question and say well the modeling (there’s another one too that flows from modeling....since you can’t lockdown forever if you must lockdown don’t do it during happy times like summer).

the fact though remains that beyond the hard lockdowns of China and Australia and isolated countries like Taiwan and New Zealand no where in the world has managed to control the virus with Npis. This article is just another explanation as to why. If seasonality is the primary driver, you can’t control the weather.

the npis at most help only on the margins...help you be Denmark instead of Sweden, California instead of Florida (oops...I meant Arizona). But the health experts never calculated the costs of their npis (only the benefits) especially among the easiest to target (the kids): whether resulting depressions, suicide, drop in health, abuse or substance abuse resulting from lost schools, closed playgrounds, closed activities, restricted socializing, and sports.
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single cause fallacy
 
dad4 said:
Unless you have some way to control the weather, how does this help?
Sure, IF you already have a Section 8 voucher.

How does that help a young family who don't have a Section 8 voucher?

When we refuse to allow home construction, young families get screwed. It might look ok to people who own or who already have Section 8 or rent control. But young renters are SOL.

Good luck to your niece. Careful with the trailer parks. Some park owners are all too happy to raise rents to squeeze the equity from your investment. Others are decent.
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Are you advocating for high density low income housing in the Bay Area? We can look at Harlem, south side Chicago, S.E. Washington D.C., Compton, The Jungle (LA), sobrainty park & the 6-9 village in East Oakland, and last but not least North Richmond to realize high density low income housing is a failed policy of the past. The traffic would also get worse.

So when my daughter and I came back to the Bay Area for Covid, we watched Coach Carter. After the movie, she asked me was I like Coach Carter and I said NO because I don’t go to Richmond anymore. Then she asked why and I didn’t want to tell her but I felt guilty. So, I decided to go to the hood and check in. I was surprised to see that North Richmond is no more. All of the low income housing is boarded up and empty now as we speak. My research indicates many of the residents were bribed/offered new houses in Henderson, NV and accepted. The crime rate will definitely be going up in Henderson soon if it hasn’t happened already. I’d be pissed if I had purchased a McMansion at market value in Henderson.

So let the tech companies come to Vallejo. The fancy folks can live in Vallejo, Napa, Sonoma, or Petaluma. The lower income folks can stay in Fairfield, Vacaville, and Dixon with about a 15-40 minute commute back to Vallejo for their tech job. The North Bay needs tech and tech needs the North Bay. I am surprised it hasn’t happened yet.

Also, in Bay Area 100k is almost low income. I have helped some disabled vets get housing at the affordable housing condos (as opposed to low income) the Warriors had to build to get approval for their stadium on the Embarcadero. It seems affordable housing in San Francisco and Berkeley are targeting teachers and disabled vets only so not sure more affordable housing is gonna help young couples if they aren’t educators.
 
MacDre said:
Are you advocating for high density low income housing in the Bay Area? We can look at Harlem, south side Chicago, S.E. Washington D.C., Compton, The Jungle (LA), sobrainty park & the 6-9 village in East Oakland, and last but not least North Richmond to realize high density low income housing is a failed policy of the past. The traffic would also get worse.

So when my daughter and I came back to the Bay Area for Covid, we watched Coach Carter. After the movie, she asked me was I like Coach Carter and I said NO because I don’t go to Richmond anymore. Then she asked why and I didn’t want to tell her but I felt guilty. So, I decided to go to the hood and check in. I was surprised to see that North Richmond is no more. All of the low income housing is boarded up and empty now as we speak. My research indicates many of the residents were bribed/offered new houses in Henderson, NV and accepted. The crime rate will definitely be going up in Henderson soon if it hasn’t happened already. I’d be pissed if I had purchased a McMansion at market value in Henderson.

So let the tech companies come to Vallejo. The fancy folks can live in Vallejo, Napa, Sonoma, or Petaluma. The lower income folks can stay in Fairfield, Vacaville, and Dixon with about a 15-40 minute commute back to Vallejo for their tech job. The North Bay needs tech and tech needs the North Bay. I am surprised it hasn’t happened yet.

Also, in Bay Area 100k is almost low income. I have helped some disabled vets get housing at the affordable housing condos (as opposed to low income) the Warriors had to build to get approval for their stadium on the Embarcadero. It seems affordable housing in San Francisco and Berkeley are targeting teachers and disabled vets only so not sure more affordable housing is gonna help young couples if they aren’t educators.
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This is great stuff Dre. I have so many amazing ideas for folks. I just need the selfish pigs to start sharing. We have so much land that is not being used at all. We should offer 1/4 acres to anyone with a good heart and a willing spirit to work and give back. We could go to all the good folks who have tried and tried to make it, but are stuck in first gear. I know Mr Gates bought up the remaining farm land in America before it could be given away. What I swell guy he is. He wants to provide food and vaccines for all of us.
 
MacDre said:
Are you blaming Newsom for problems caused by Reagan?
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Ronald Reagan's shameful legacy: Violence, the homeless, mental illness - Salon.com

As president and governor of California, the GOP icon led the worst policies on mental illness in generations
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There hasn't been a Repub mayor in SF since the early 60s. Off the top of my head the last R city council member was in the late 60s/early 70s. What SF is today is as a result of decades of D mis-management.
 
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