Let Them Play CA

[EOTL]

This is just so great that people here think teachers are the enemy. Or brainwashed apparently. Anything but legitimately concerned that being back to school in person might cause them to die of the same thing that caused 500,000 deaths already.

Whatever happened to the crowd that was claiming we could make it work by reversing airflow in classrooms at hundreds of millions of dollars in costs? Or have them wear hazmat suits. Have you all just abandoned ship are taking the approach that you do with kiddie sports, which is “nothing I want to do spreads covid”?

 

[soccersc]

Oh christ. Yes, of course some schools are back, which depends in a number of factors including, but not limited to whether they’re public, transmission rates in the region, stupidity level, and age cohort.
Keep in mind that I’m not the one whining that schools aren’t in person. I’m just explaining why there are legitimate reasons why the ones that aren’t (which are still the large majority) aren’t.

Seriously, WTF is wrong with you people? You whine like little babies that Newsom has scared teachers into not wanting to go back to schools, I tell you why you’re idiots and there are legitimate reasons for their concern about dying, and the response is that kids are in school so therefore I’m wrong?

Do you want to talk about Newsom allegedly scaring teachers to not come back? Do you want to talk about how almost half a million people have doed from covid? Do you want to talk about how some schools are back in session and whether it’s a good idea? WTF do y’all wanna talk about?

Regardless, you should probably take @NorCalDad out to the woodshed because, like I keep saying, his attempt to blame Newsom for shutting down schools is simply bogus. If anything, the fact that some schools are open shows that there has been flexibility and there hasn’t been this monolithic approach to in person school attendance by someone who eats babies (albeit wonderfully seasoned at the French Laundry). Y’all are nuts. When you’re not whining Newsom isn’t letting kids back in school, you’re whining that I’m telling them they’re wrong, amd as proof that I’m wrong, you’re pointing out that Newsom is letting kids back in school.

You are an absolute nut job. You asked my why schools are still remote, I explain to you that there are schools in person and in a hybrid model, then you start going into a rant about something else. What legitimate concerns do teachers have of dying? Have there been teachers that have recently died because of exposure in the classroom?

 

[happy9]

Private and charter school teachers don’t have a union to protect them. It’s unfortunate that those teachers must subject themselves to such risk. They’ll learn soon enough why the teacher turnover at these schools is so high.

That's right, they don't.

And yes, traditionally charters have a higher turnover rate than public schools. There are multiple reasons why, not all bad. Charters and privates aren't the panacea all by any means, but they've traditionally served low income kids better than public schools. It's unfortunate that public schools can't claim that title.

Bottom line is that keeping kids in school shouldn't be a political thing, it should be done in spite of politics. Teacher unions using CV19 to scare their teachers is pathetic. You seem to be on board with waging war on kids - no school, no sports, just stay home and wear your mask. You should write a book.

 

[happy9]

This is just so great that people here think that LA teachers UNIONs is the enemy of our children. Or brainwashed apparently. Anything but legitimately concerned that being back to school in person might cause them to die of the same thing that caused 500,000 deaths already.

Whatever happened to the crowd that was claiming we could make it work by reversing airflow in classrooms at hundreds of millions of dollars in costs? Or have them wear hazmat suits. Have you all just abandoned ship are taking the approach that you do with kiddie sports, which is “nothing I want to do spreads covid”?

Fixed it for ya.

 

[happy9]

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Yes, and many of them have died. Many others have been forced to endanger themselves because they don’t have any leverage to protect themselves, and their pay is too low that they don’t have savings to call back on.

I get that magats hate unions. You’d rather that employees could not use any leverage to negotiate things lome pay, health insurance, and health and safety. Well, too f**king bad. If anything, the pandemic has shown why we need them more than ever.

The fact that you seem to think everyone is the same, has the same risks, and the same need to do their job in person only establishes how much of a waste of time it is to even have a discussion with you. But I like explaining why braindead magats are so stupid, so here goes.

Many nurses and firefighters, for example, must take greater risks because their jobs save lives, unlike teachers, and they also have more access (and more important access) to PPE.

Many others subject themselves to danger because they must, since they have low paying jobs and therefore no savings, and no leverage to hold an employer accountable for putting them in danger.

Many jobs simply cannot be done remotely, unlike teaching. Flying a plane, for example. Putting out fires, washing dishes.

And some jobs can be structured to avoid having any dangerous interactions, like pharmacists, or even Uber drivers who have been setting up plexiglass barriers in their vehicles.

CA teacher unions can be cautious and protect the lives of their members because they can.

The mere fact that we are having this conversation at all means you have zero interest in a thoughtful conversation. You just want to have your kid back at school and playing soccer and ate willing to make up any stupid as f**k argument to support it. But I must admit that your argument that other people are working in person so therefore everyone must work in person if I want them to is a particularly stupid one.

Keep up the whining. The more you and your covid denier friends complain about everything instead of doing what you should, the longer it is going to take. You can’t say I didn’t warn you 9 months ago and every month that followed.

Wait haven't you been locked down?

And yes, back at school and playing locally is totally the reasonable and prudent thing to do.

 

[watfly]

Oh christ. Yes, of course some schools are back, which depends in a number of factors including, but not limited to whether they’re public, transmission rates in the region, stupidity level, and age cohort.
Keep in mind that I’m not the one whining that schools aren’t in person. I’m just explaining why there are legitimate reasons why the ones that aren’t (which are still the large majority) aren’t.

Seriously, WTF is wrong with you people? You whine like little babies that Newsom has scared teachers into not wanting to go back to schools, I tell you why you’re idiots and there are legitimate reasons for their concern about dying, and the response is that kids are in school so therefore I’m wrong?

Do you want to talk about Newsom allegedly scaring teachers to not come back? Do you want to talk about how almost half a million people have doed from covid? Do you want to talk about how some schools are back in session and whether it’s a good idea? WTF do y’all wanna talk about?

Regardless, you should probably take @NorCalDad out to the woodshed because, like I keep saying, his attempt to blame Newsom for shutting down schools is simply bogus. If anything, the fact that some schools are open shows that there has been flexibility and there hasn’t been this monolithic approach to in person school attendance by someone who eats babies (albeit wonderfully seasoned at the French Laundry). Y’all are nuts. When you’re not whining Newsom isn’t letting kids back in school, you’re whining that I’m telling them they’re wrong, amd as proof that I’m wrong, you’re pointing out that Newsom is letting kids back in school.

So that's a yes that public school teachers are a special protected class different than all other occupations. Thanks for confirming.

 

[watfly]

Private and charter school teachers don’t have a union to protect them. It’s unfortunate that those teachers must subject themselves to such risk. They’ll learn soon enough why the teacher turnover at these schools is so high.

Yes, heaven forbid anyone think for themselves. Fortunately, they have the union groupthink to help them.

Think how scary you'd be EOTL if you had to think for yourself and not follow a groupthink narrative script.

Grocery workers need a new union because they are getting screwed. They're exposed to hundreds of strangers every day indoors that have touched items they are now touching. Do you want to touch that grapefruit that has been fondled by some pedo?

 

[Kicker4Life]

Plus @EOTL has it backwards....Newsome isn’t brainwashing the Teachers Unions....they have Newsome by the short and curlies!

 

[crush]

Teachers have not wanted to go back into the classrooms because they have a legitimate fear of dying. It is not because they were misled by Newsom into believing it is dangerous when it is not. Almost half a million people have died.

The social distancing guidelines were not misguided, they have saved lives and a lot of them. Complain all you want. Fake speculate that no one would have died if we’d just pretended Covid-19 didn’t exist. Pretend that what you want (little Sally playing soccer) is more important than any of the million things that other people believe exceptions should be made for. You are where you are because you and people like you have never taken this seriously enough. Since the inception of the pandemic, people at this forum have done nothing but whine and oppose efforts to reduce spread.

There’s @MSK357 who claimed no one was dying of covid-19, and who promised to leave this site forever if more than 12,000 people died. He still thinks no one is dying of covid because Q has apparently told him they’re all dying “with” covid, which is about as dumbf**king a thing I’ve ever heard. Then there are the likes of @Desert Hound who was whining about not being able to hit the bars as far back as May or June I believe.

Then there is grace karen who is still going around claiming masks don’t work, and who blithely ignored recommendations to avoid spread to take her kid to Utah and back to play kiddie soccer early in the pandemic before CA had to clamp down hard after idiots like her weren’t getting it. These idiots are complaining that CA has had to implement strict regulations when the reason we have them is because they refused to even follow far less strict recommendations. Then there have been a whole slew of people mocking anyone in support of social distancing by claiming they should hide in their basement. They also claimed (and still claim) that old people who got it and died deserve it since they should have just stayed home, as if that were a legitimate option for most.

By all means keep criticizing people who call out those who refuse to comply with even the most basic and obvious of social distancing guidelines. Maybe you’ll all keep passing it around until it mutates enough so that the existing vaccines don’t work. Or it just keeps spreading because anti-vax psychos like @crush keep it going. Or until everyone is vaccinated because that is what people like you have proven it will take.

EOTL, I'm honored to be on the list of the top three. You picked me last, is that for a reason? Check this bro. My buddy, who owns a AC company, just lost his top Tech because his kids education is horrible and no sports. Tech's wife works too so no one is watching their two dds. He is so discouraged to lose #1 salesman to Texas. Like I said a long time ago, this is a house a cards and everyone needs to forgive and forget. It's the only way to live. Most can;t forget because they haven;t learned the power of forgiveness.

 

[crush]

I guess it’s ok to kill off the elementary school teachers...

Look, I understand that there are different risk factors at play for elementary school, but no one here is talking about elementary school children. This thread is about older kids, you know, elite soccer players which is ostensibly the point of this forum. If you are here with an elementary school child because you think they’re an elite soccer player, you are @crush level nut job. Or do we need to discuss pre-school and day care in order to satisfy your distraction?

And if I know so little about schools, and you know so much, please explain to me why exactly public schools are still remote? Is it because you and your four Q friends here think you know what you’re talking about? So whiny.

Why picking on Crush's DD again bro?

 

[Anon9]

Why picking on Crush's DD again bro?

Didn't you challenge him to a boxing match? What a wuss to not take you up. He feels very tough behind a keyboard, I wish he had the ovaries to come out of his basement..........

 

[TheVirginian]

Schools just have not been a factor in transmission. But, to be fair, its something like 50% of the parents that don't want to send kids to schools. I think the schools are just responding to parent fears. If parents were 90% in favor of school opening, the schools would open. I do not like teachers' unions, but this one isn't their fault.

 

[crush]

Didn't you challenge him to a boxing match? What a wuss to not take you up. He feels very tough behind a keyboard, I wish he had the ovaries to come out of his basement..........

I did but he never took me up on the challenge. Big boxing gloves and a ring and it was crickets on the response. No hiding with me bro. I'm ready for da match. We can raise donations for the kids who need food. I've been trainng with my wife at my buddies under ground UFC gym. We actually do kick boxing and I'm getting good. We can do a kick & boxing match. 3 rounds at 3 minutes each. That's all I got.

 

[happy9]

Schools just have not been a factor in transmission. But, to be fair, its something like 50% of the parents that don't want to send kids to schools. I think the schools are just responding to parent fears. If parents were 90% in favor of school opening, the schools would open. I do not like teachers' unions, but this one isn't their fault.

Is that a CA stat or is that nationwide. Would be interesting to compare/contrast that number regionally.

 

[Soccerfan2]

Schools just have not been a factor in transmission. But, to be fair, its something like 50% of the parents that don't want to send kids to schools. I think the schools are just responding to parent fears. If parents were 90% in favor of school opening, the schools would open. I do not like teachers' unions, but this one isn't their fault.

I’ve been back in the classroom teaching since Nov 4. My DD’s have both been in class as well. I’m lucky to be in a district and local union chapter that both supported returning (85% of our teachers voted to return) and worked together to make it happen. The parent community largely wanted back too. 75% of our families wanted to come back and 25% remain in distance learning by choice.
The district keeps stats on student and teacher cases. About .03% of staff/students are testing positive each week. This almost exactly matches the positives for the county as a whole. Cases in our county have been falling very very fast since the holidays. Schools being open do not seem to accelerate transmission based on our data.

 

[Grace T.]

Schools just have not been a factor in transmission. But, to be fair, its something like 50% of the parents that don't want to send kids to schools. I think the schools are just responding to parent fears. If parents were 90% in favor of school opening, the schools would open. I do not like teachers' unions, but this one isn't their fault.

You have a point. From the surveys I’ve seen it’s closer to 1/3 1/3 1/3. 1/3 are send the kids back full time come hell or high water. 1/3 are panicked and don’t want to go back. 1/3 are in between and go from returning to not depending on the level of protective (masks, pods, testing) and case loads out there. If 90.% of parents demanded the teachers reopen the schools would be open. But it’s also the teachers unions. Their members are split among the same lines and the panicked 1/3 are the most vocal (hey why take a chance if you don’t have to not to mention the child care issues which might arise and some people prefer working from home). If the teachers wanted to go back, schools would be open regardless what the panicked 1/3 of parents would say. It’s both.

 

[espola]

You have a point. From the surveys I’ve seen it’s closer to 1/3 1/3 1/3. 1/3 are send the kids back full time come hell or high water. 1/3 are panicked and don’t want to go back. 1/3 are in between and go from returning to not depending on the level of protective (masks, pods, testing) and case loads out there. If 90.% of parents demanded the teachers reopen the schools would be open. But it’s also the teachers unions. Their members are split among the same lines and the panicked 1/3 are the most vocal (hey why take a chance if you don’t have to not to mention the child care issues which might arise and some people prefer working from home). If the teachers wanted to go back, schools would be open regardless what the panicked 1/3 of parents would say. It’s both.

Help me out here -- which dictionary do you issue to find a fitting definition for your use of the word "panic"?

 

[crush]

Help me out here -- which dictionary do you issue to find a fitting definition for your use of the word "panic"?

Panic= "I scared"

 

[Scott m Shurson]

Teachers have not wanted to go back into the classrooms because they have a legitimate fear of dying. It is not because they were misled by Newsom into believing it is dangerous when it is not. Almost half a million people have died.

The social distancing guidelines were not misguided, they have saved lives and a lot of them. Complain all you want. Fake speculate that no one would have died if we’d just pretended Covid-19 didn’t exist. Pretend that what you want (little Sally playing soccer) is more important than any of the million things that other people believe exceptions should be made for. You are where you are because you and people like you have never taken this seriously enough. Since the inception of the pandemic, people at this forum have done nothing but whine and oppose efforts to reduce spread.

There’s @MSK357 who claimed no one was dying of covid-19, and who promised to leave this site forever if more than 12,000 people died. He still thinks no one is dying of covid because Q has apparently told him they’re all dying “with” covid, which is about as dumbf**king a thing I’ve ever heard. Then there are the likes of @Desert Hound who was whining about not being able to hit the bars as far back as May or June I believe.

Then there is grace karen who is still going around claiming masks don’t work, and who blithely ignored recommendations to avoid spread to take her kid to Utah and back to play kiddie soccer early in the pandemic before CA had to clamp down hard after idiots like her weren’t getting it. These idiots are complaining that CA has had to implement strict regulations when the reason we have them is because they refused to even follow far less strict recommendations. Then there have been a whole slew of people mocking anyone in support of social distancing by claiming they should hide in their basement. They also claimed (and still claim) that old people who got it and died deserve it since they should have just stayed home, as if that were a legitimate option for most.

By all means keep criticizing people who call out those who refuse to comply with even the most basic and obvious of social distancing guidelines. Maybe you’ll all keep passing it around until it mutates enough so that the existing vaccines don’t work. Or it just keeps spreading because anti-vax psychos like @crush keep it going. Or until everyone is vaccinated because that is what people like you have proven it will take.

You really don’t have anything else to do, do you?

 

[kickingandscreaming]

I’ve been back in the classroom teaching since Nov 4. My DD’s have both been in class as well. I’m lucky to be in a district and local union chapter that both supported returning (85% of our teachers voted to return) and worked together to make it happen. The parent community largely wanted back too. 75% of our families wanted to come back and 25% remain in distance learning by choice.
The district keeps stats on student and teacher cases. About .03% of staff/students are testing positive each week. This almost exactly matches the positives for the county as a whole. Cases in our county have been falling very very fast since the holidays. Schools being open do not seem to accelerate transmission based on our data.

It's encouraging to see schools and communities working together to come to a solution that works for both "sides". It's a sliver of positive collaboration in a time of divisiveness.