2016-17 D1 Women's soccer thread!!!

Justafan said:
I'm not talking height, but strength. I'm not saying she's bad, just questioning "how good" or "amazing" she will become. As a forward whose game entails a lot of 1 v 1, strength will always be a component. I'll give you a good example, when Neymar first came to Barcelona there was all this talk that he was the next soccer phenom. At that time, strength was a huge hole in his game, at least in terms of being considered a phenom and amongst the very best. He was on his ass all the time, getting pushed off the ball and couldn't penetrate defenses, even 1 v 1's. His game was limited to the perimeter and diminished his effectiveness, at least when compared to the likes of Zlatan, Messi, Ronaldo, & Suarez. Of course he was still good and dynamic player then, but as he's gotten stronger he's a much better player.

Another example was UCLA's team this year when Jenkins went down. They were a very good possession team and consistently got it down to the final third but then they stalled because nobody could get through. And although they were good at possessing, they didn't have the dynamic creativity of a team like Japan to break through, at least consistently.

I'm absolutely with you on the size thing and Japan/Korea. I've seen too much big for the sake of big. Hopefully she can add muscle and strength to add to her game and take it to another level. FYI, I have never seen Marta in person, but I see a lot of ripped muscle here. Looks a lot like Crystal Dunn to me.
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Don't let Marta's picture fool you. Yes she is ripped, but....only 125 lbs!
 
NoGoal said:
First if all you posted she will be a "BUST". A BUST is a Ryan Leaf or Brian Bosworth.

You are contradicting yourself with your Neymar and Marta example. I will bet both of those players were on the slight side at 17 yrs old like Ashley. As I posted, give her time to hit the weights in college and she will be fine....it's easy gaining strength. She will have more time to get ripped like Marta when she plays professionally.

As for UCLA lacking that player who can break down a team in the final third. That is Ashley's strength, breaking a team down in the final third. You didn't see her do that on the U20 squad, because the US was always bunkering and counter attacking.
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You may have missed my other post where I said "bust" may have been too strong of a word and said limited upside may have been a better description of what I meant. And I'm not saying she won't be a fine player, at least in college, but she is a big name in US soccer and though it's not her fault, US soccer likes to pick the stars, promote them, and feed them down our throats. All I'm saying is that I don't see her as the next superstar.

Being slight or short is not a measure of strength. You can be slight, but very strong. You can have little muscle but still be strong. I just see strength as a hole in her game that may become more apparent as she goes up against higher and higher competition. She will get stronger, but how much stronger based on her petite frame is still TBD.
 
Justafan said:
You may have missed my other post where I said "bust" may have been too strong of a word and said limited upside may have been a better description of what I meant. And I'm not saying she won't be a fine player, at least in college, but she is a big name in US soccer and though it's not her fault, US soccer likes to pick the stars, promote them, and feed them down our throats. All I'm saying is that I don't see her as the next superstar.

Being slight or short is not a measure of strength. You can be slight, but very strong. You can have little muscle but still be strong. I just see strength as a hole in her game that may become more apparent as she goes up against higher and higher competition. She will get stronger, but how much stronger based on her petite frame is still TBD.
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and like I posted, unless you have watched her play since Ulittle like I have. You would know she is strong for her size!
 
Justafan said:
You may have missed my other post where I said "bust" may have been too strong of a word and said limited upside may have been a better description of what I meant. And I'm not saying she won't be a fine player, at least in college, but she is a big name in US soccer and though it's not her fault, US soccer likes to pick the stars, promote them, and feed them down our throats. All I'm saying is that I don't see her as the next superstar.

Being slight or short is not a measure of strength. You can be slight, but very strong. You can have little muscle but still be strong. I just see strength as a hole in her game that may become more apparent as she goes up against higher and higher competition. She will get stronger, but how much stronger based on her petite frame is still TBD.
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You do know she was playing against girls 2-3 years older than her? Women who are already pro players in their country. For you to make a premature judgement about her and not knowing her personally is a HATER. Have some respect for one of our most decorated youth players.

Not to be rude and your DD is?
 
NoGoal said:
You do know she was playing against girls 2-3 years older than her? Women who are already pro players in their country. For you to make a premature judgement about her and not knowing her personally is a HATER. Have some respect for one of our most decorated youth players.

Not to be rude and your DD is?
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So if I ask you who you think will be a better soccer player, Sanchez or Pugh, does that make you a hater of the player you didn't pick? Exactly, no hating here just expressing opinion on potential. It's like arguing that Steph Curry is not as good as Lebron because he is simply not as strong as Lebron. It doesn't mean he's not a badass player, he just simply can't do what Lebron can. Similarly, I don't think Ashley can ever be as good as Lynn Williams because of the strength issue. It doesn't mean she can't be as good as other players or be an excellent player in her own right. The reason I brought it up is precisely because she is "one of our most decorated youth players" and the perception may be that she is the savior for our program. All I'm saying is pump the brakes a little.

I used to be all in on Alex Morgan, but if I believe she is not as good as Lynn Williams, does that make me a Morgan hater? C'mon.
 
Justafan said:
So if your daughter is better than mine, you win, but if mine is better than yours, I win? C'mon.
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I'm not the one on the forum criticizing Ashley, you ARE! It's why I posted, and your DD is? As in, is your DD more accomplished at U13 than Ashley was? Your DD is a 2004 right? If your DD is not. You have a lot of arrogance posting she doesn't have a lot of upside!
 
Justafan said:
So if I ask you who you think will be a better soccer player, Sanchez or Pugh, does that make you a hater of the player you didn't pick? Exactly, no hating here just expressing opinion on potential. It's like arguing that Steph Curry is not as good as Lebron because he is simply not as strong as Lebron. It doesn't mean he's not a badass player, he just simply can't do what Lebron can. Similarly, I don't think Ashley can ever be as good as Lynn Williams because of the strength issue. It doesn't mean she can't be as good as other players or be an excellent player in her own right. The reason I brought it up is precisely because she is "one of our most decorated youth players" and the perception may be that she is the savior for our program. All I'm saying is pump the brakes a little.

I used to be all in on Alex Morgan, but if I believe she is not as good as Lynn Williams, does that make me a Morgan hater? C'mon.
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Dude you are pivoting and backpedling. First of all you posted she will be a BUST, she isn't strong enough, her poke and run around a player doesn't work at the next level and that she doesn't have a high ceiling. You are critizing her and her game which can't be compared to asking who is better Mallory or Ashley? So yes you are hating.

Comparing Ashley to Lynn Williams is like comparing Marta and Wambach. They are different players and both great in their own right. If I had to draft, sorry I pick Marta over Wambach after weighing their PRO career. With that said, I will take a wait and see approach and not pick who is better at the moment. Lynn Williams is about 8 years older than Ashley and Ashley still has a lot of developing to go.
 
Bernie Sanders said:
I know who MAP is, I know who Sheriff Joe is, and I know who you are.
MAP can take care of herself.
He doesnt need your little chihuahua yappity yap to protect him-her.
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and what does that have to do with your SMH post. Don't flatter yourself, because you don't know me.

I am not protecting anyone. Sheriff Joe included me in his opening trolling post this afternoon.

You want to start back up the self proclaimed benevolent loving man? Mind your own business!
 
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