Surf Cup's Fate

[Grace T.]

The City of Phoenix did what it did because it wants to keep people alive, and its actions will help. So did the City of Santa Clara. So too the entire State of CA. There is literally no legitimate argument that making it incredibly difficult for idiots like @Grace T. and @Lavey29 and @MSK357 travel to another state and do the dumb things they do to spread Covid doesn’t save lives. Maybe you’re ok with 300,000 dead people and another 3000 a day. Maybe you’re disappointed that your kid can’t play Surf Cup. But when y’all start whining that enough people aren’t dying fast enough to justify keeping Sally from lacing them up in AZ and blaming politicians for nothing more than making a decision you don’t like, you have crossed the line, and I’m here to remind you.

It will probably shock you to hear, but given the ER argument happy has raised, I actually agree it's not the best time to be holding tournaments. I wouldn't send my kid to a tournament while the ERs are stressed, even though he's already had it. I respect, though, the right of others to make a different decision.

"Hey Dominic -- is it OK to discuss politics now?"

Best you got? I'm pointing out a rules violation, not expressing a political opinion.

 

[oh canada]

Let's try getting this thread back on track...hate when this happens...so far EVERY club in SoCal--boys/girls-- is either withdrawing completely or withdrawing a number of their teams EXCEPT:

Blues - they will play anywhere, anytime, for any reason. If it was Surf Calgary, they would force their families to go. If the fields were in the middle of a brush fire, you would still hear their coaches joysticking and barking at their players to "tackle through the ball!"

Surf - mid-upper class families demand tournament results in return for their club's high fees. You would think the doctor, lawyer, and engineer parents there would apply some of that intelligence during the absolute peak of a 100-year SoCal and AZ health crisis and tell the club execs to give it a rest this one time. But apparently, they're too afraid of jeopardizing a future 10% college "scholarship" for their boy/girl. I guess all their British coaches can't go home anyway over break, so why not play? (ok, i'm a little grumpy about not being able to go home w/the kids to Canada over break too)

Any other club FULLY committed?

 

[watfly]

Actually it is easy. Don’t discuss politics. There is a huge difference between saying the Phoenix City Council voted to ban soccer games - which is a fact - and then following that up with your bizarre nonsense about how their decisions are not based on your non-scientific understanding of what science actually is, coupled with your buddies’ racist references to china virus for the pure sake of crossing the line and gratuitous commentary about greasy Gavin Newsom.

The reality is the City of Phoenix and others are using real science and data relating to spread that accounts for reality, rather than the fantasy that U11 year olds teleport from all over the country and straight back so therefore it’s fine and the dumbs**t fathers who think it’s all a hoax don’t also go also and spread it like crazy. The idiots here are only looking at the risk on the field itself, which constitutes maybe 3% of their time traveling and in AZ. The City Council is concerned about the real risk - the other 97% and all the idiot parent superspreaders who never step onto the field. They’re looking at data about how it is transmitted in travel, at hospital and ICU usage, at current infection rates and trends, at the dangers and risks associated with large gatherings in their entirety, not whether Kaitlin gives it to Caitlyn slide tackling her.

The City of Phoenix did what it did because it wants to keep people alive, and its actions will help. So did the City of Santa Clara. So too the entire State of CA. There is literally no legitimate argument that making it incredibly difficult for idiots like @Grace T. and @Lavey29 and @MSK357 travel to another state and do the dumb things they do to spread Covid doesn’t save lives. Maybe you’re ok with 300,000 dead people and another 3000 a day. Maybe you’re disappointed that your kid can’t play Surf Cup. But when y’all start whining that enough people aren’t dying fast enough to justify keeping Sally from lacing them up in AZ and blaming politicians for nothing more than making a decision you don’t like, you have crossed the line, and I’m here to remind you.

I can't help myself. I'm appalled how our California politicians have treated our youth in direct contradiction to the science. Maybe venting here strokes my ego. If that makes me a bully, whiner or snowflake so be it. I'm pissed.

 

[Banana Hammock]

The SDCSARA Director of Assignments just sent an e-mail to all SD refs 45 min ago. Doesn't look so good for Surf Cup. Doesn't look so good for AZ's economy either.

"To ALL,

Hopefully, you are all staying safe and healthy! Just wanted to give you all a quick small update, which is there is NO Update for Surf Cup at this time. As many of you have seen these past few weeks, much of Arizona (like CA and other states) has been shutdown. It is my understanding the city of Phoenix and Tucson have restricted ALL out of state teams from traveling to play in each of their counties. Surf Cup was due to play at the Reach 11 Complex in Phoenix but obviously, this has changed. Surf is still trying to play their dates somewhere in Arizona and is supposed to have a new location with a potential schedule for us any day. I appreciate all of the responses and emails inquiring about this tournament's status, just wanted to be upfront and honest with everyone. Once I have updated information or an official notice from Surf with any changes, you will hear from me. Until then, stay safe, wear your mask, and wash your hands! Thank you!"

 

[Bruddah IZ]

What do they have to do with Surf AZ?

Not sending refs? So surf has to find local AZ ones or something?

Yes. They usually travel in the opposite direction for Surf Cup

 

[happy9]

Stimulus is from the government and created out of thin air devaluing the dollar. We agree. Surf is a customer involved in a voluntary transaction beneficial to both parties.

Your description of economic terms is accurate. I promise you that if Scottsdale thinks that having Surf is going to force politicians to enact more strict measures, they will dump Surf in a heart beat . I personally think it's already happened, just hasn't been announced - I could be wrong.

There are events in Scottsdale in JAN and FEB that are real revenue drivers. Do the research of what historically happens in Scottsdale during those months and you will see. In a non hysterical, non covid world, Surf is a nice add on. With current conditions, Scottsdale will likely skip the less expensive pre-party beers at home and go straight for the Top Shelf Whisky at the club.

 

[kickingandscreaming]

"Hey Dominic -- is it OK to discuss politics now?"

Hahaha! Grace, you big bully, you!

 

[paytoplay]

I can't help myself. I'm appalled how our California politicians have treated our youth in direct contradiction to the science. Maybe venting here strokes my ego. If that makes me a bully, whiner or snowflake so be it. I'm pissed.

Ma’am, this is a soccer forum.

 

[dad4]

I can't help myself. I'm appalled how our California politicians have treated our youth in direct contradiction to the science. Maybe venting here strokes my ego. If that makes me a bully, whiner or snowflake so be it. I'm pissed.

So join Grace and me insulting each other over in the covid thread.

You have Surf or other games lined up, or just waiting for the dust to settle?

 

[crush]

Let's try getting this thread back on track...hate when this happens...so far EVERY club in SoCal--boys/girls-- is either withdrawing completely or withdrawing a number of their teams EXCEPT:

Blues - they will play anywhere, anytime, for any reason. If it was Surf Calgary, they would force their families to go. If the fields were in the middle of a brush fire, you would still hear their coaches joysticking and barking at their players to "tackle through the ball!"

Surf - mid-upper class families demand tournament results in return for their club's high fees. You would think the doctor, lawyer, and engineer parents there would apply some of that intelligence during the absolute peak of a 100-year SoCal and AZ health crisis and tell the club execs to give it a rest this one time. But apparently, they're too afraid of jeopardizing a future 10% college "scholarship" for their boy/girl. I guess all their British coaches can't go home anyway over break, so why not play? (ok, i'm a little grumpy about not being able to go home w/the kids to Canada over break too)

Any other club FULLY committed?

These are great takes Oh Canada. One of your best btw. Blues recruit a certain type of player and that player usually loves to play the game. All in types and I'm from that cloth. I will say mid to upper is off. It's upper all the way teacher. Happy is honest dad and so are many others. I knew you always had it out for me because my dd killed at Blues and Surf. Win win all the way home.....lol!!! I see both sides now and actually have lived on both sides of the track. I speak through experience with all my story telling. Were all one big melting pot of light and love.

 

[watfly]

Ma’am, this is a soccer forum.

I've admitted my guilt, you? Seems to me passive-aggressive insults aren't relevant to soccer either. If you look around I've also posted many pure soccer related posts, not rationalizing, just saying.

 

[EOTL]

It will probably shock you to hear, but given the ER argument happy has raised, I actually agree it's not the best time to be holding tournaments. I wouldn't send my kid to a tournament while the ERs are stressed, even though he's already had it. I respect, though, the right of others to make a different decision.



Best you got? I'm pointing out a rules violation, not expressing a political opinion.

Great. Unfortunately for the United States, however, it was fine for you to contribute to getting us to this point. How was Utah again? Really awesome of you to travel for kiddie soccer and, even worse, continue encouraging everyone else to do so right up until even you must now concede that ERs (I think you meant ICUs but whatever) are getting out of control and “it’s not the best time to be holding tournaments.”

And even better that you’re complaining now not about the people who continue to share the dangerous narrative that you supported for 10 months, but instead those who have responded to them. Do you want to remind us about how you think masks are ineffective?

 

[oh canada]

'The right thing to do': Organizers cancel soccer Shootout because of coronavirus

Organizers announced the tournament in October, citing multiple coronavirus-related safety precautions. On Wednesday, organizers said the decision to cancel "was just the right thing to do."

tucson.com

If SurfCup can still go on, that is one impressive accomplishment. More soccer tournaments cancelled in AZ. See link

EXACTLY (from the linked article quoting the tournament director):

"It was just the right thing to do given the current situation with COVID-19," the post said. "The health and safety of our community is first and foremost at this time."

 

[EOTL]

A bit dated but still funny...View attachment 9589

@Grace T., how did this manage to slip through your no politics web catcher?

 

[Grace T.]

Great. Unfortunately for the United States, however, it was fine for you to contribute to getting us to this point. How was Utah again? Really awesome of you to travel for kiddie soccer and, even worse, continue encouraging everyone else to do so right up until even you must now concede that ERs (I think you meant ICUs but whatever) are getting out of control and “it’s not the best time to be holding tournaments.”

And even better that you’re complaining now not about the people who continue to share the dangerous narrative that you supported for 10 months, but instead those who have responded to them. Do you want to remind us about how you think masks are ineffective?

Because you are attacking me directly at this point, I'll point out the ER levels in Utah over the summer versus ER levels now. Happy's argument was tournaments have injuries....kids will be going to the ER (you probably can't ride with them and will be separated in the ER). Not to mention that they are already stressed right now. It's an ER argument. If you want to argue about the effectiveness of masks or government interventions, let's take it to the off topic thread and have it...more than ready for you NitF.

 

[happy9]

EXACTLY (from the linked article quoting the tournament director):

"It was just the right thing to do given the current situation with COVID-19," the post said. "The health and safety of our community is first and foremost at this time."

Tucson and Pima county walk to the beat of their own drum. We will see if this resonates north of Casa Grande.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

Your description of economic terms is accurate. I promise you that if Scottsdale thinks that having Surf is going to force politicians to enact more strict measures, they will dump Surf in a heart beat . I personally think it's already happened, just hasn't been announced - I could be wrong.

There are events in Scottsdale in JAN and FEB that are real revenue drivers. Do the research of what historically happens in Scottsdale during those months and you will see. In a non hysterical, non covid world, Surf is a nice add on. With current conditions, Scottsdale will likely skip the less expensive pre-party beers at home and go straight for the Top Shelf Whisky at the club.

In a non hysterical, non covid world, Surf is a go in San Diego generating $139 million according to SDSU. In a non hysterical, non covid world, PGA drops 100k fans on the course each day. That's not happening this year. I haven't been called to work the 16th hole yet. Usually get called in November.

 

[oh canada]

@Grace T., how did this manage to slip through your no politics web catcher?

@EOTL C'mon man - this thread is too important to water it down with a personal pissing match. Especially since we agree that Surf is crazy for holding this tournament! Just take it to another thread plz.

 

[watfly]

So join Grace and me insulting each other over in the covid thread.

You have Surf or other games lined up, or just waiting for the dust to settle?

Ha, ha, valid recommendation. Actually I think you're both above the insults you've been hurling over there. I like to poke fun, but I try to avoid the ad hominem or nasty name calling. Please, call me out if I do.

We weren't entered in Surf, just Nomads, which was canceled. Not sure I would attend anyway, it would be nice for seniors to play but I just don't see at this point how a club could justify going. Surf cancelling is the right decision (no matter how much I want a middle finger to restrictions on our youth). Moot point since my son was diagnosed with Osgood-Schlatter yesterday, (although I suspected for weeks). Not what you want to hear, but good timing given the circumstances.

So advice from anyone on dealing with O-S is appreciated. I realize its more of a pain management issue than anything else. I had it 40 years ago and they put me in cast from ankle to hip. Treatment has obviously evolved.

 

[EOTL]

@EOTL C'mon man - this thread is too important to water it down with a personal pissing match. Especially since we agree that Surf is crazy for holding this tournament! Just take it to another thread plz.

Sounds good. I promise to hold off for the 5 minutes it will take someone to continue derailing it.