D1 college soccer under threat

"Previously reported rates of myocarditis in COVID-19 patients ranged from 14% among recovered athletes to 60% in middle-aged and older recovered patients."

"The findings suggest that myocarditis caused by COVID-19 may be relatively rare, according to Vander Heide and co-author Dr. Marc Halushka."


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Heart inflammation from COVID-19 less common than thought - UPI.com

Inflammation of the heart muscle, or myocarditis, is less common in COVID-19 patients than previously thought, according to a new study.
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Mad Hatter said:
"Previously reported rates of myocarditis in COVID-19 patients ranged from 14% among recovered athletes to 60% in middle-aged and older recovered patients."

"The findings suggest that myocarditis caused by COVID-19 may be relatively rare, according to Vander Heide and co-author Dr. Marc Halushka."


www.upi.com

Heart inflammation from COVID-19 less common than thought - UPI.com

Inflammation of the heart muscle, or myocarditis, is less common in COVID-19 patients than previously thought, according to a new study.
www.upi.com www.upi.com
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Did you read beyond the headline?
 
Copa9 said:
Agree, it was a small sample, 277 people who actually died of covid. It was not a large study of people who have had it and recovered.
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Since we are talking D1 soccer players (presuming that from the thread title) the implications of long-term damage to surviving athletes would seem to be more germane.
 
espola said:
Yes, I did, and other articles that spoke of the study. They researched the damage in dead people, not living athletes.
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We definitely don't want them doing autopsies on living athletes. I guess the good news here is that there aren't enough dead athletes to autopsy. Let's hope it stays that way.
 
espola said:
Since we are talking D1 soccer players (presuming that from the thread title) the implications of long-term damage to surviving athletes would seem to be more germane.
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This study simply indicated whether myocarditis was present in those dying of COVID. The fact that it was much lower than initially reported is good news. Period. There are a lot of athletes out there who got COVID and are back to athleting - for many months now. So far so good.

I'm curious. How long do you think it will be before those "long-term damage" results start trickling in? Are you recommending not playing soccer until then?
 
kickingandscreaming said:
This study simply indicated whether myocarditis was present in those dying of COVID. The fact that it was much lower than initially reported is good news. Period. There are a lot of athletes out there who got COVID and are back to athleting - for many months now. So far so good.

I'm curious. How long do you think it will be before those "long-term damage" results start trickling in? Are you recommending not playing soccer until then?
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The initial reporting was based on people who are not dead.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
This study simply indicated whether myocarditis was present in those dying of COVID. The fact that it was much lower than initially reported is good news. Period. There are a lot of athletes out there who got COVID and are back to athleting - for many months now. So far so good.

I'm curious. How long do you think it will be before those "long-term damage" results start trickling in? Are you recommending not playing soccer until then?
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Kind of depends on the fraction of patients who have long term impacts. So far, we have anecdotes of long haul covid patients, and anecdotes of covid patients returning to play. No real data.

As a result, each person sees what they want to see. People who want more caution point to the long haul anecdotes. People who want less caution point to the return to play anecdotes.
 
dad4 said:
Kind of depends on the fraction of patients who have long term impacts. So far, we have anecdotes of long haul covid patients, and anecdotes of covid patients returning to play. No real data.

As a result, each person sees what they want to see. People who want more caution point to the long haul anecdotes. People who want less caution point to the return to play anecdotes.
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There is a theory floating about that we should let the kids play because they are not likely to die from it. The fact that recovered persons, including those who never exhibited any symptoms, may have long-lasting or permanent heart damage should not be ignored.

I have two cousins who contracted rheumatic fever as children in the '40s. Both recovered, but one of them had severe enough heart damage that he failed the Air Force enlistment physical and was sent home.

--and they didn't have to do an autopsy to find out--
 
espola said:
There is a theory floating about that we should let the kids play because they are not likely to die from it. The fact that recovered persons, including those who never exhibited any symptoms, may have long-lasting or permanent heart damage should not be ignored.

I have two cousins who contracted rheumatic fever as children in the '40s. Both recovered, but one of them had severe enough heart damage that he failed the Air Force enlistment physical and was sent home.

--and they didn't have to do an autopsy to find out--
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Coo Coo Doctor, I may die in my sleep. I may crash on my way to Vegas for a soccer game tomorrow. I maaaaaaaay!!!! My gosh, you won, can we at least have the kids play soccer. My kid and all the other kids I know what to play and are willing to risk what "may" happen later. Good grief. You seem so active now too. Not having Messy as your other avatar has made you go extra.
 
crush said:
Coo Coo Doctor, I may die in my sleep. I may crash on my way to Vegas for a soccer game tomorrow. I maaaaaaaay!!!! My gosh, you won, can we at least have the kids play soccer. My kid and all the other kids I know what to play and are willing to risk what "may" happen later. Good grief. You seem so active now too. Not having Messy as your other avatar has made you go extra.
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You may die if you try to play frogger on the 405, but what the f**k right? You should do it because you might not.

Of course, whether you die or not has nothing to do with whether you give it to someone who will, which is obviously happening a lot due to all the idiots like you who don’t care about anyone other than yourself.
 
dad4 said:
Kind of depends on the fraction of patients who have long term impacts. So far, we have anecdotes of long haul covid patients, and anecdotes of covid patients returning to play. No real data.

As a result, each person sees what they want to see. People who want more caution point to the long haul anecdotes. People who want less caution point to the return to play anecdotes.
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Are you saying it's irrelevant that those that have died have a lower incidence of myocarditis than expected and you wouldn't have felt any differently if 95% of those that died had evidence of myocarditis? I would have.

Also, if there is no significant risk of exercising after recovering from COVID, won't that show by not having any data as people aren't dying after recovery? Isn't the data, "x number of people recovered and y of these died exercising due to myocarditis"? I think x is pretty big right now. Is there any report on "y"?

I'm not arguing that it makes no difference whether you catch COVID or not. We have seen that it can cause damage to the heart. What I am arguing is that I haven't seen any evidence that after recovery people are falling over dead due to exercising with myocarditis brought on by COVID. Remember, the really scary part of that initial study was that you might have myocarditis from an asymptomatic case of COVID.
 
espola said:
There is a theory floating about that we should let the kids play because they are not likely to die from it. The fact that recovered persons, including those who never exhibited any symptoms, may have long-lasting or permanent heart damage should not be ignored.

I have two cousins who contracted rheumatic fever as children in the '40s. Both recovered, but one of them had severe enough heart damage that he failed the Air Force enlistment physical and was sent home.

--and they didn't have to do an autopsy to find out--
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Even a million years ago when we were young espola, doctors performed physicals. They still do. I doubt anyone on this board will ignore their doctor's advice regarding their child's heart. So, yeah, get your child a physical and get them outside exercising before they end up scared and under their bed all day petrified by all the different ways they "could" die.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Are you saying it's irrelevant that those that have died have a lower incidence of myocarditis than expected and you wouldn't have felt any differently if 95% of those that died had evidence of myocarditis? I would have.

Also, if there is no significant risk of exercising after recovering from COVID, won't that show by not having any data as people aren't dying after recovery? Isn't the data, "x number of people recovered and y of these died exercising due to myocarditis"? I think x is pretty big right now. Is there any report on "y"?

I'm not arguing that it makes no difference whether you catch COVID or not. We have seen that it can cause damage to the heart. What I am arguing is that I haven't seen any evidence that after recovery people are falling over dead due to exercising with myocarditis brought on by COVID. Remember, the really scary part of that initial study was that you might have myocarditis from an asymptomatic case of COVID.
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You may well have followed it more closely than I have. If you have good data on recovered patients (as fraction of total) and patients with long term effects (as fraction of total), pass it along. So far, most of what I have found is N=1, and utterly useless.
 
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