Why keep arguing, NO FALL SOCCER!

[The Outlaw *BANNED*]

And whites murder everyone and everything including the planet. There I can be a racist tool just like you. You are such a racist piece of shit you are bound to get smacked in the face with your bad karma. Let’s just hope that it is only you that suffers and that your bullshit doesn’t hurt your family.

You are a pathetic piece of elephant shit.

Have a nice day toolbot.

Yes, whites do murder everyone... just like Hispanics, just like Asians and just like POC, which you feel obligated to mention you are, in every one of your posts. The difference is, no other race plays the victim when one of their criminals is held accountable. Not one. You are such a fucking whiner about your skin color... too bad you can't see it. Let's hope all the "maturing" you claimed to have done means you really ARE done inviting to fight people, every time someone disagrees with you, as a fucking grown man of middle age.

I bring facts to the argument, and the facts are THAT black people murder each other 10 times more often than any white person or cop murders them. THAT of the 50 black on black murders that occur every month, only 20% of them are ever solved. THAT is the truth and no amount of playing "we NBA players are in fear for our lives from police" bullshit is going to change it. If the facts both you, go impress your distaste for the truth amongst your POC and educate them on how being a piece of shit criminal, that refuses to comply with arrest in the process of multiple felonies, can be a bad idea and a stain on all POC.

 

[thedudeabides]

Now you see if you had said hey kids have the potential to spread the disease and in fact do, I would not have had an issue.

But you claimed they are super spreaders. And you implied you are in health care. If you are, you know damn well the difference between the concept of a super spreader vs a person/group who has the potential to spread a disease.

And both articles you produced imply that kids while they do spread the disease, do so at a smaller rate vs adults. Which once again is far from the concept of a super spreader.

And while I have not as you say produced an article stating kids are super spreaders...you have yet to produce one that does. And apparently with 2 prompts asking you to do so, you cannot.

The vast majority of the literature out there indicates that kids spread covid at a rate LESS than adults.

So who is getting their info from Q (left or right) and who is not? You are the one that made a claim that now for some reason cannot find all the studies that you said were out there regarding it. Where are they?

If studies as you claimed showed kids as super spreaders...start listing them. If not, then who exactly is pushing falsehoods?

Part of the major problem is you mis-attributed the word super spreader to me multiple times. Go back and read my original post. I clearly stated "super carrier" which based on the latest studies is correct because my whole point is kids are asymptomatic carriers and now we know they carry a very high viral load. Initial viral load is absolutely critical and the big reason New York blew up with deaths initially. Yes, it is inconclusive whether children are spreading these high virus loads to adults but why open up schools until there is definitive peer reviewed research? Likewise you can't produce any peer reviewed evidence that kids don't spread the disease to adults. You also have touted Arizona as a model for re-opening. Actually, their death rate was one of the worst in the country and if you apply population density metrics you could argue they were even worse than New York for deaths. The it's a hoax, do almost nothing for 3 month strategy is 99% of the reason we are here debating this today. We could have had cases down to such a small number by now if everyone would have simply worn masks in public vigilantly. It's that simple. So let's stick with the knowns. Kids have high rates of viral load and can easily test positive for the disease. It appears thankfully that they rarely die but we don't have any conclusive evidence of how many adult deaths are attributable to community spread from children. That's very important to know. We also don't know the long term effects children may have if they get the disease.

 

[The Outlaw *BANNED*]

You are why there is an antifa. Racist pieces of shit like you who can’t actually do anything except be a keyboard commando and like that 17 year old sack of horse shit bring a gun to a protest because you are a pussy and can’t fight like a man.

You must realize that you are a bitch.

Racist? I post facts. Give me examples of how I've been wrong on the statistics I provide. What happened to "I've matured"? For someone that thinks as highly of himself as you sure do, you'd think outgrowing fighting would find its way to you at some point. You perpetuate the stereotype, don't you?

 

[The Outlaw *BANNED*]

Criminals behind the computer like yourself speaks volumes on your ignorants views. Hopefully one day you'll be able to see through all your hatred you have and one day your dark heart will realize how blinded you are. Can't wait for soccer to come back so we can get back to real soccer topics! Unfortunately until then the real caring soccer parents on this forum will continue to see your avatar and comments to pray to see you BANNED FOR LIFE! Until then keep entertaining us until that day comes.

Criminals behind the computer? LMAO! What the fuck does that even mean? My views are ignorant? My views are facts. And you won't have the guts to mention a single statistic I've provided as being wrong. Sorry the truth hurts your feelings, but now you see what most of silent America sees when they see bullshit behavior, like sexual assault and violating a restraining order, as unacceptable. That YOU believe you shouldn't be held accountable if your skin is a certain color. It's racist to hold certain people to a lawful standard. Keep fucking whining... it's all you can contribute. I'm the one telling you pussies to go to the OFF TOPIC thread and none of you are capable of doing it. Ban yourself, fuck stick.

 

[The Outlaw *BANNED*]

Yes, whites do murder everyone... just like Hispanics, just like Asians and just like POC, which you feel obligated to mention you are, in every one of your posts. The difference is, no other race plays the victim when one of their criminals is held accountable. Not one. You are such a fucking whiner about your skin color... too bad you can't see it. Let's hope all the "maturing" you claimed to have done means you really ARE done inviting to fight people, every time someone disagrees with you, as a fucking grown man of middle age.

I bring facts to the argument, and the facts are THAT black people murder each other 10 times more often than any white person or cop murders them. THAT of the 50 black on black murders that occur every month, only 20% of them are ever solved. THAT is the truth and no amount of playing "we NBA players are in fear for our lives from police" bullshit is going to change it. If the facts both you, go impress your distaste for the truth amongst your POC and educate them on how being a piece of shit criminal, that refuses to comply with arrest in the process of multiple felonies, can be a bad idea and a stain on all POC.

My bad... 50 black on black murders EVERY WEEK!

 

[Y_T]

You are why there is an antifa. Racist pieces of shit like you who can’t actually do anything except be a keyboard commando and like that 17 year old sack of horse shit bring a gun to a protest because you are a pussy and can’t fight like a man.

You must realize that you are a bitch.

Racist? I post facts. Give me examples of how I've been wrong on the statistics I provide. What happened to "I've matured"? For someone that thinks as highly of himself as you sure do, you'd think outgrowing fighting would find its way to you at some point. You perpetuate the stereotype, don't you?

 

[Soccerhelper]

CDM Yesterday. No soccer in Socal, but come on down to da beach. HB was even more crowded. This is why I believe what this is all about. Today, it's going to feel like hell. I took my pooch on a walk at 5am and I was sweating,

From oC Register......
At Huntington State Beach, the crowds were some of the biggest seen on a Labor Day weekend in recent memory, State Parks Superintendent Kevin Pearsall said.

He said while there were a lot of people, most were staying in their own groups.

“The groups are in compliance, there’s just massive amounts of people,” he said. “People are behaving themselves. We don’t have big groups, but we’re being visited in high level. People are going to the beach.”

 

[Sheriff Joe]

If you want to get political go to the Off Topic, or you risk being banned.

What is political about rebutting his post?
Saying cases are up in Europe has nothing to do with politics.

 

[Sheriff Joe]

Let’s not forget Tribal casinos are open. I know, sovereign nation.

How.

 

[Sheriff Joe]

CDM Yesterday. No soccer in Socal, but come on down to da beach. HB was even more crowded. This is why I believe what this is all about. Today, it's going to feel like hell. I took my pooch on a walk at 5am and I was sweating,

From oC Register......
At Huntington State Beach, the crowds were some of the biggest seen on a Labor Day weekend in recent memory, State Parks Superintendent Kevin Pearsall said.

He said while there were a lot of people, most were staying in their own groups.

“The groups are in compliance, there’s just massive amounts of people,” he said. “People are behaving themselves. We don’t have big groups, but we’re being visited in high level. People are going to the beach.”



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Corona Del Mar?

 

[Soccerhelper]

Corona Del Mar?

Yes

 

[socalkdg]

CDM Yesterday. No soccer in Socal, but come on down to da beach. HB was even more crowded. This is why I believe what this is all about. Today, it's going to feel like hell. I took my pooch on a walk at 5am and I was sweating,

From oC Register......
At Huntington State Beach, the crowds were some of the biggest seen on a Labor Day weekend in recent memory, State Parks Superintendent Kevin Pearsall said.

He said while there were a lot of people, most were staying in their own groups.

“The groups are in compliance, there’s just massive amounts of people,” he said. “People are behaving themselves. We don’t have big groups, but we’re being visited in high level. People are going to the beach.”



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The individual families under a canopy are fine, about 10 ft from the next person(I went a week ago, had one up, spacing was fine). It is when you join 3 together and bring a group of 12-15 that increases the odds of transmission. That was a common occurence.

 

[Jose has returned]

How.

i see what you did there

 

[messy]

With 22 states rising in infections and the estimates that the nation will more than double in deaths over the next 4 months, I don’t know how the kids here will go from “isolation practices” to full scrimmaging by the end of the month. I hope they do!

 

[Desert Hound]

Part of the major problem is you mis-attributed the word super spreader to me multiple times. Go back and read my original post. I clearly stated "super carrier"

Actually no. Go look up super carrier. You get results for super spreader. Dig around and find me literature talking about super carriers. You are talking super spreaders. Which in fact is why you posted a couple of articles referring to how children may spread the virus. When you find articles talking about carriers it is in the context of how they spread the disease.

NONE of them referred to children spreading the virus at a higher rate vs adults.

When you do find references of carriers it is in the context of being spreaders.

The funny thing is you made a claim basically saying kids spread the disease a lot. You got called out for it when asked for what studies. You went on to produce a couple of articles that in fact showed the OPPOSITE of what you claimed.

And when called on that, now try to pretend that you were talking about something else.

You imply you are in the health profession. And yet you have trouble producing the studies that support your claim.

Actually, their death rate was one of the worst in the country and if you apply population density metrics you could argue they were even worse than New York for deaths.

And again you have no idea what you are talking about.

Go ahead and show the math where AZ has been worse than NY as it relates to deaths.

I assume you like the CA version over AZ. AZ has lost .0667% of our population. If we were like CA we are talking .0333% of our population. The statistical difference is meaningless.

What is not meaningless however is our kids are starting to go back to school, we have more biz open, ...less economic, educational, and emotional harm.

If we look nationwide we see covid deaths under 24 are in and around 330. The fact that people are scared to have their kids, teens, college age kids go to school, play sports, etc. tells me that #1 they don't look at data and #2 they are not making rational decisions related to risk in this group.

Next: To be honest it is hard to find any studies out there that showed locked downs effectively stopped the virus. All lockdowns have seemed to produced is a delay in the virus spread. As the countries who were claimed models of success open up, their cases start to spike. What is noticeable however is the death rates in these countries (or states in the US) do not show a corresponding rate of death as was seen early on in Feb/March/April which is rather good news.

 

[messy]

Actually no. Go look up super carrier. You get results for super spreader. Dig around and find me literature talking about super carriers. You are talking super spreaders. Which in fact is why you posted a couple of articles referring to how children may spread the virus. When you find articles talking about carriers it is in the context of how they spread the disease.

NONE of them referred to children spreading the virus at a higher rate vs adults.

When you do find references of carriers it is in the context of being spreaders.

The funny thing is you made a claim basically saying kids spread the disease a lot. You got called out for it when asked for what studies. You went on to produce a couple of articles that in fact showed the OPPOSITE of what you claimed.

And when called on that, now try to pretend that you were talking about something else.

You imply you are in the health profession. And yet you have trouble producing the studies that support your claim.



And again you have no idea what you are talking about.

Go ahead and show the math where AZ has been worse than NY as it relates to deaths.

I assume you like the CA version over AZ. AZ has lost .0667% of our population. If we were like CA we are talking .0333% of our population. The statistical difference is meaningless.

What is not meaningless however is our kids are starting to go back to school, we have more biz open, ...less economic, educational, and emotional harm.

If we look nationwide we see covid deaths under 24 are in and around 330. The fact that people are scared to have their kids, teens, college age kids go to school, play sports, etc. tells me that #1 they don't look at data and #2 they are not making rational decisions related to risk in this group.

Next: To be honest it is hard to find any studies out there that showed locked downs effectively stopped the virus. All lockdowns have seemed to produced is a delay in the virus spread. As the countries who were claimed models of success open up, their cases start to spike. What is noticeable however is the death rates in these countries (or states in the US) do not show a corresponding rate of death as was seen early on in Feb/March/April which is rather good news.

"We saw in Arizona, which was a good example, they went up (in cases) and they started to really clamp down and do things right. And the cases came right down," Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told CNN's John Berman on Thursday morning.
The state and its governor, Doug Ducey, were praised on Wednesday by President Donald Trump and Dr. Deborah Birx in the Oval Office, where Ducey credited the downward trend to Arizonans wearing masks, physically distancing, washing hands and staying home if sick.

 

[wc_baller]

I assume you like the CA version over AZ. AZ has lost .0667% of our population. If we were like CA we are talking .0333% of our population. The statistical difference is meaningless.

That's one of dumbest arguments I've ever heard here. That's like saying that because only 0.0000025% of the California population was on the 2021 US Women's World Cup roster and 0% Arizona's population was on the roster, the difference is meaningless.

100% more deaths in Arizona than California per capita is not statistically "meaningless", and if you truly believe that, I suggest you go back and tack a basic Statistics class.

 

[messy]

Actually no. Go look up super carrier. You get results for super spreader. Dig around and find me literature talking about super carriers. You are talking super spreaders. Which in fact is why you posted a couple of articles referring to how children may spread the virus. When you find articles talking about carriers it is in the context of how they spread the disease.

NONE of them referred to children spreading the virus at a higher rate vs adults.

When you do find references of carriers it is in the context of being spreaders.

The funny thing is you made a claim basically saying kids spread the disease a lot. You got called out for it when asked for what studies. You went on to produce a couple of articles that in fact showed the OPPOSITE of what you claimed.

And when called on that, now try to pretend that you were talking about something else.

You imply you are in the health profession. And yet you have trouble producing the studies that support your claim.



And again you have no idea what you are talking about.

Go ahead and show the math where AZ has been worse than NY as it relates to deaths.

I assume you like the CA version over AZ. AZ has lost .0667% of our population. If we were like CA we are talking .0333% of our population. The statistical difference is meaningless.

What is not meaningless however is our kids are starting to go back to school, we have more biz open, ...less economic, educational, and emotional harm.

If we look nationwide we see covid deaths under 24 are in and around 330. The fact that people are scared to have their kids, teens, college age kids go to school, play sports, etc. tells me that #1 they don't look at data and #2 they are not making rational decisions related to risk in this group.

Next: To be honest it is hard to find any studies out there that showed locked downs effectively stopped the virus. All lockdowns have seemed to produced is a delay in the virus spread. As the countries who were claimed models of success open up, their cases start to spike. What is noticeable however is the death rates in these countries (or states in the US) do not show a corresponding rate of death as was seen early on in Feb/March/April which is rather good news.

Hmmm...what were you saying about lockdowns?

The plateau timing matches perfectly, as it came about a month after Governor Doug Ducey shut down bars and gyms, and many cities started requiring masks. Dr. Andrew Carroll, a family physician, says the crackdown on large gatherings and mask mandates may be working.

"We did it with mitigation efforts like wearing a mask, but also shutting down businesses where people congregate and typically pass on the illness.“

 

[dad4]

That's one of dumbest arguments I've ever heard here. That's like saying that because only 0.0000025% of the California population was on the 2021 US Women's World Cup roster and 0% Arizona's population was on the roster, the difference is meaningless.

100% more deaths in Arizona than California per capita is not statistically "meaningless", and if you truly believe that, I suggest you go back and tack a basic Statistics class.

If you actually run the stats, you can compute the probability that the two states have equal death rates. Formula is any elementary stats book.

The difference in their number of deaths works out to somewhere north of 50 standard deviations. That is similar to your odds of playing Roulette for an hour in Vegas, always betting on 17, and always winning.

So, no, not statistically meaningless. In fact, it is about as statistically meaningful as you will ever find.

 

[wc_baller]

If you actually run the stats, you can compute the probability that the two states have equal death rates. Formula is any elementary stats book.

The difference in their number of deaths works out to somewhere north of 50 standard deviations. That is similar to your odds of playing Roulette for an hour in Vegas, always betting on 17, and always winning.

So, no, not statistically meaningless. In fact, it is about as statistically meaningful as you will ever find.

Totally agree. If I use DeserHound's argument, New York City's and Scottsdale's murder rates are statistically meaningless, since only 0.0015% of New York City's population were murdered last year. Who ever knew NYC and Scottsdale were equally safe? LOL