Why keep arguing, NO FALL SOCCER!

Kicker4Life said:
It would be much more acceptable if other states around the country (who have worse #’s than California) weren’t playing. No one has answered that part of my question...how do you explain this to your kids? What is the justification for playing and/or for not playing?

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As you know, my kid is in a very similar boat to yours. This is an opportunity to have a civics conversation about voting as watfly said, and also states rights. 15 is old enough to understand how the world works. They’ll be navigating a lot more difficult decisions and consequences in the near future than soccer. That said, my girl is feeling it too big time. She had great momentum going into the shutdown. It’s been too long and it’s so hard to watch others get started when you can’t.
 
It's hard on all of us through this and especially for the kids aged 16-25. We have to understand the COVID doesn't care if we are tired of this stuff. Losing a year of soccer isn't the end of the world. I have lost my college and pro football season for the last 4 years because of my kid's soccer. We can make it through a year.
 
MakeAPlay said:
Ha ha ha. I got a good belly laugh from that one. Speaking from a place of privilege? I feel for everyone in a tough economic spot and it sucks for those that are having a tough time making it academically. That has nothing to do with soccer though. Racism and classism are closely tied. We can debate that if you want but you are going to have to PM me and I can give you my mobile number and we can talk one on one about it. I can even put your daughter in touch with mine if she is struggling during this process. She is always up to mentor anyone that needs help.

You are barking up the wrong tree. Good luck to you and your player.
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Im just saying stats show show healthy people with no comorbidities are good to go to work. healthy young students can go to class. healthy teachers can teach in class. healthy soccer players can play, and healthy coaches can coach. More harm is being done by preventing these things when they are at very little risk. stats and science are on my side. The lock down is hurting not just soccer players but young students, especially the minority and the poor. agree to disagree.
 
MakeAPlay said:
Is this about soccer? You went into race and education with me. So again is this about soccer? And not just soccer but youth soccer right? And not about training but about meaningless games right?
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Its about everything including soccer stuck in a half@ssed lockdown where we have restrictions that contradict and dont make any sense.
 
MakeAPlay said:
As a person of color my daughter is not defined by her sports. She is defined by her mind and her actions. She graduated Magna Cum Laude from a top 20 academic university in 3 and a half years while starting 92 out of 92 games in her career including 2 College Cups, an Elite 8 and a Sweet 16 her freshman year. I am pretty sure that she would have been fine missing 6 months or more of soccer. She missed 7 months of soccer after her knee surgery her sophomore year and still ended her career starting 78 consecutive games. She isn't unique. Lots of young women can perform things that would amaze you if you allow them. My daughter was home for 3 weeks recently and she trained by herself 4 days a week and ran almost every day. Nothing stopping anyone from doing that. My daughter had a meniscus tear that she played with from about U14 to her sophmore year of college so a break in 8th grade would have been great. I am not really concerned with comparing one state to another. California is far superior to any other state in almost any measurable metric. It's why the average home price in San Diego County where I live is over $700k. If all of the California players stayed in state and you added the occasional international player and it would be a tall ask for any team to beat them (See Stanford). Not being able to play in meaningless games against mostly mediocre competition isn't going to handicap a good player.

Good luck to you and your player.
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True Unicorn right there. Amazing child and person. Congrats!!!
 
Kicker4Life said:
It would be much more acceptable if other states around the country (who have worse #’s than California) weren’t playing. No one has answered that part of my question...how do you explain this to your kids? What is the justification for playing and/or for not playing?

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Kicker, frustrating to say the least. Take a look at the data and numbers from states that have youth soccer up and running...

Texas, Florida and Georgia

All, for most in all categories, have numbers worse off then California. Can't speak for any accept Texas, but the clubs have been playing in tournaments, scrimmages and 3-4 days a week practices with little to no kids getting sick.
 
MSK357 said:
I hope the grocery store clerks have been as diligent as you cleaning off the grocery items/produce that people touch on a daily basis before you get to it. Add restaurants/fast food places/any place not inside your personal bubble.

Im just saying stats show show healthy people with no comorbidities are good to go to work. healthy young students can go to class. healthy teachers can teach in class. healthy soccer players can play, and healthy coaches can coach. More harm is being done by preventing these things when they are at very little risk. stats and science are on my side. The lock down is hurting not just soccer players but young students, especially the minority and the poor. agree to disagree.
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Wow. Just wow. This exchange is the best.

Let me explain what @MakeAPlay is too diplomatic to tell you directly. By all accounts, his daughter is succeeding in ways that most parents only dream of for their own, and that’s no accident. No doubt it’s largely attributable to the fact her parents didn’t raise her whining about things outside their control, or to use those things as an excuse for failure. I’m guessing that when someone offered sage advice or help (such as being a mentor), they probably either took it or at least expressed gratitude for the offer. What is your kid learning from your, uh, different perspective? What do children learn from the kind of parent who receives an extremely generous offer for a wildly successful young adult to mentor theirs, and they respond with a barrage of crap trying to prove that they are right that no one has died of C19, it’s really heartburn or some other s**t.

And my god man, your nonsense about how @MakeAPlay doesn’t understand what you and everyone else is going through because his daughter is out of college is embarrassing to those who know she’s the oldest sibling in her family, you dimwit.

Now is time to be a hero to your children. Are you going to turn that frown upside down and be a leader for your family? Or are you going to keep teaching your kid to blame C19, and libs, and HS teachers, and greedy soccer club owners, and the media and the CDC for all of your problems and your refusal to get it together?
 
GeekKid said:
Kicker, frustrating to say the least. Take a look at the data and numbers from states that have youth soccer up and running...

Texas, Florida and Georgia

All, for most in all categories, have numbers worse off then California. Can't speak for any accept Texas, but the clubs have been playing in tournaments, scrimmages and 3-4 days a week practices with little to no kids getting sick.
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So weird that they’re all doing much worse than CA. It’s almost like not socially distancing is killing people. I’m sure it’s all the social interactions besides the things I want to do.
 
EOTL said:
Wow. Just wow. This exchange is the best.

Let me explain what @MakeAPlay is too diplomatic to tell you directly. By all accounts, his daughter is succeeding in ways that most parents only dream of for their own, and that’s no accident. No doubt it’s largely attributable to the fact her parents didn’t raise her whining about things outside their control, or to use those things as an excuse for failure. I’m guessing that when someone offered sage advice or help (such as being a mentor), they probably either took it or at least expressed gratitude for the offer. What is your kid learning from your, uh, different perspective? What do children learn from the kind of parent who receives an extremely generous offer for a wildly successful young adult to mentor theirs, and they respond with a barrage of crap trying to prove that they are right that no one has died of C19, it’s really heartburn or some other s**t.

And my god man, your nonsense about how @MakeAPlay doesn’t understand what you and everyone else is going through because his daughter is out of college is embarrassing to those who know she’s the oldest sibling in her family, you dimwit.

Now is time to be a hero to your children. Are you going to turn that frown upside down and be a leader for your family? Or are you going to keep teaching your kid to blame C19, and libs, and HS teachers, and greedy soccer club owners, and the media and the CDC for all of your problems and your refusal to get it together?
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whos frowning? the only sad people are people like you, yelling at people still trying to live a normal life. You are one of the most negative people on this forum. My kids meet up with friends, go out, play soccer, and continue to learn without the help of public school teachers handcuffed by unions. Like i said before, youre just going to have to deal with the fact that many people are just like me, and you cant do a thing to stop it. lol.
 
GeekKid said:
EOTL, do you even see the irony in your post? Your avatar’s two middle initials stand for Civil Liberties. Of those, the right to due process being its cornerstone. So, for you to call Kyle Rittenhouse a murderer before the facts are gathered and the case is brought to trial speaks volumes of the type of person you proport to be. You. Are. Awesome!!!
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That boy just got taken to the woodshed
 
EOTL said:
Yes, he is a murderer. The people he murdered had a right to due process, rather than to be murdered by an armed vigilante. Due process does not include the President of the United States telling armed vigilantes to take matters into their own hands. In fact, that is the opposite of due process. Nothing I said was ironic, but what you said definitely was. And was also really, really stupid.
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they don't get due process if attacking someone. The kid has a right to defend himself. They were so scared of the guy with a gun they were chasing him down the street. One guy tried to cave his head in with a skate board and the other has a pistol. No soup for any of them
 
Grace T. said:
Here's another sciency thing. One little noticed provision that might stop things from opening up is "equity" because science! Those goalposts have come a long way from keeping the hospitals from being flooded.


deadline.com

California Coronavirus Update: Governor Gavin Newsom’s Little-Noticed Reopening Requirement Could Trip L.A. Up

In his presentation on Friday, Gavin Newsom mentioned that the state is considering “equity” as a factor in allowing counties to reopen.
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When I think of goal post i automatically think of football goalpost but those are fixed objects. The goals that keep getting shifted are more of a soccer goal with sandbags on them. dude is crazy
 
MSK357 said:
No one is saying COVID isnt real. But only 6% had no comorbidities. Thats important. The average i believe was over 2 comorbidities. Thats important. Whats the age of the deaths? Thats important. Why is that important? Because not everyone has comorbidities, expecially many people that need to work to live, as well as kids that need to learn in schools. These stats have meaning. Just because you dont see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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All stats have meaning but it doesn't mean they have significance. This meme about the 6% statistic was put out there to make people believe covid hasn't really been the cause of death in many of the 180 K + covid deaths and that narrative has been debunked by numerous sources. Anyone who has a BMI of greater than 30 has a comorbidity. That's over a third of the country. When you add the endless things people likely have as adults such as high cholesterol, high blood pressure, etc, most people have co-morbid conditions. So I have to ask you, what is so important about it? Do you dispute that there have been approximately 180 K deaths in the U.S. where the primary cause of death was covid? I'm guessing you don't have a medical, research, or public health background so I pose this other question to you: If a 90 year old lady with diabetes, hypertension, and CHF walks across the road and gets struck by a car, what is the cause of death?
 
thedudeabides said:
If a 90 year old lady with diabetes, hypertension, and CHF walks across the road and gets struck by a car, what is the cause of death?
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That's got to be one of the worst analogies ever and totally mischaracterizes what most of us are saying. Using your analogy say a 90 year old lady with Covid crosses the road and gets struck by a car and kills her, what is her cause of death? Anyone with any shred of intellectual honesty will say that the number of deaths is likely somewhere between 10,000 and 184,000.
 
MSK357 said:
you must have missed there part where kids cant go into classrooms. Kids whos school districts dont have enough chromebooks. Kids who dont have internet connection so they have been going to the nearest free wifi store thats still open to do get their lessons during these times. its not just about soccer. You are speaking from a place of priviledge. what happened to equal opportunity? I guess you forgot that once you caught up? Or is being held back due to color and class myth?
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Like you really give a shit about poor inner city school kids. Go ahead and use them as pawns because they help your argument.
 
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