Why keep arguing, NO FALL SOCCER!

kickingandscreaming said:
Unfortunately, not all of them are.

www.theatlantic.com

We Flattened the Curve. Our Kids Belong in School.

Communities that worked hard to beat the coronavirus should reap the benefits of doing so.
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"Suicide is now the leading cause of death among children age 10 to 14," she said.
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Wow if the Atlantic is calling BS on kids not being back in school that should be all the evidence that EOTL needs to support reopening, or maybe he is waiting for Mother Jones to come out in favor. (All kidding aside, the Atlantic does have reasonable journalism on occasion).

I can tell you in our family that there is a dramatic difference between how my 16 year old girl and 12 year old boy are handling the Covid lockdown.
 
The Outlaw said:
Parents have to know that by now, though, don't you think? I really would rather have these things pushed back instead of cancelled. These civic leaders don't have any idea what's happening beyond the tips of their noses. Who can predict more than 2-3 weeks out on anything? I don't really blame them for doing it that way.
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Most of the parents know deep down inside. The problem is most are terrified of the consequences of pulling out, not paying, etc... The clubs know this and take full advantage of the power they have over the customers.
 
MSK357 said:
Are you denying that 6% of COVID deaths listed COVID as the only cause? Please say yes so we can see how stupid you are. We already know you add cancer, gun shots, and drug overdoes to total covid deaths. but the 6% refers to deaths where COVID is the only cause. go ahead. Tell us how dumb you are.
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Can we all be intellectually honest and stipulate that the # of deaths caused by Covid is not 10,000 or 184,000, but somewhere in between?
 
MSK357 said:
Are you denying that 6% of COVID deaths listed COVID as the only cause? Please say yes so we can see how stupid you are. We already know you add cancer, gun shots, and drug overdoes to total covid deaths. but the 6% refers to deaths where COVID is the only cause. go ahead. Tell us how dumb you are.
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Where’s your medical study QAnon? Not a 4chan post, and not a tweet either, not that you can do the latter now that Twitter removed it for being ridiculously stupid. @dean already did a great service and produced one that supports my position.
 
EOTL said:
Where’s your medical study QAnon? Not a 4chan post, and not a tweet either, not that you can do the latter now that Twitter removed it for being ridiculously stupid. @dean already did a great service and produced one that supports my position.
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why are you getting your news from Twitter idiot?

COVID-19 Provisional Counts - Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics

Tabulated data on provisional COVID-19 deaths by age, sex, race and Hispanic origin, and comorbidities. Also includes an index of state-level and county-level mortality data available for download.
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"For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. "
 
EOTL said:
Is that the best you got? Even Twitter pulled the QAnon tweet that made your same assertion that only 6% of those listed as dying of C19 have actually died of it. I mean, how ridiculous an argument do you need to make for Twitter to purge it? I’m guessing you got nothin’ to support your conspiracy theory.
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He is still trying t justify his "less than 12,000" prediction.
 
EOTL said:
Is that the best you got? Even Twitter pulled the QAnon tweet that made your same assertion that only 6% of those listed as dying of C19 have actually died of it. I mean, how ridiculous an argument do you need to make for Twitter to purge it? I’m guessing you got nothin’ to support your conspiracy theory.
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watfly said:
Wow if the Atlantic is calling BS on kids not being back in school that should be all the evidence that EOTL needs to support reopening, or maybe he is waiting for Mother Jones to come out in favor. (All kidding aside, the Atlantic does have reasonable journalism on occasion).

I can tell you in our family that there is a dramatic difference between how my 16 year old girl and 12 year old boy are handling the Covid lockdown.
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There is more to that article than just the headline, as anyone who respects reasonable journalism should have expected.
 
Willie said:
Most of the parents know deep down inside. The problem is most are terrified of the consequences of pulling out, not paying, etc... The clubs know this and take full advantage of the power they have over the customers.
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Unless your kid is on the only ECNL or MLS Youth team in the area, I would say this is the year where parents hold the power. If your kid can ball, there will be a team for him/her to return to when the league eventually resumes.

My club and coach don't sell us any BS. My coach knows we read stuff on this website :).
 
watfly said:
Can we all be intellectually honest and stipulate that the # of deaths caused by Covid is not 10,000 or 184,000, but somewhere in between?
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It goes kind of like this:
1. Corona only when died=10,000
2. Nursing home deaths= 92,000 ((I dont think any of the elderly in nursing home only died with Corona. My adopted mom died of respiratory failure at 90 in a nursing home))
3. Serious health issue?
4. Mild Unhealthiness like my neighbor? (( Dude is super stressed and super overweight. Looks really unhappy and is on the neighborhood watch list))
5. Unhealthy ((drinks, smokes and eats like sh*t. Looks good on the outside but inside not good))
6. Unlucky Stroke Victims
7. Unlucky heart attack victims
8. Motor Cycle accident?
9. Gun shots?
10. Car Accident?
11. Cancer?

Let's get these numbers straight up to this point. I would say 10,000 super unlucky people, whose body didnt like the virus, just died. Plus, another 92,000 in the nursing homes. These folks were in the worse shape and they were not protected early on. Respiratory failure is painful to watch. I watch my mom die of it at 90 and it was tough. Serious health issues & mild & unhealthy is probably around 42,000. All the rest like cancer and car accident deaths, stroke, heart attack and heart burn make up the other deaths with corona, about 30,000. This is SH guess only and based on some rumor info from my friend who happens to be a Dr.
 
MSK357 said:
why are you getting your news from Twitter idiot?

COVID-19 Provisional Counts - Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics

Tabulated data on provisional COVID-19 deaths by age, sex, race and Hispanic origin, and comorbidities. Also includes an index of state-level and county-level mortality data available for download.
web.archive.org web.archive.org

"For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. "
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MSK, we get it, that's what it says, so what? See, we know what your next argument is and that argument is utterly ridiculous. Well only 9,000 people really died of covid, so this is a big overreaction, and we should reopen. What part of co-morbidities have you not understood so far? Aren't all your buddies saying that those with the highest risk should stay inside while the rest go out? You see, the highest risk people are those with co-morbidities who are most likely to die if they get covid. They have lung/heart issues or diabetes, they get covid, and because of they're weakened immune systems they die sooner than they would have had they not gotten covid. Pretty simple.
 
Justafan said:
MSK, we get it, that's what it says, so what? See, we know what your next argument is and that argument is utterly ridiculous. Well only 9,000 people really died of covid, so this is a big overreaction, and we should reopen. What part of co-morbidities have you not understood so far? Aren't all your buddies saying that those with the highest risk should stay inside while the rest go out? You see, the highest risk people are those with co-morbidities who are most likely to die if they get covid. They have lung/heart issues or diabetes, they get covid, and because of they're weakened immune systems they die sooner than they would have had they not gotten covid. Pretty simple.
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How are you going to argue with me about something you think i will say next? lol.

I think its pretty obvious older people with preexisting conditions are the highest risk. Its been that way this whole time. The numbers show it. healthy kids can go to school. Healthy teachers can go to school. Unhealthy teachers can distance teach while unhealthy or cautious kids can distance learn. common sense isnt so common with our incompetent governor. He along with cuomo did put covid patients in nursing homes after all.
 
Kicker4Life said:
Why...I don’t resort to name calling when in an honest debate. How do I have nothing? 7% payroll tax break went into effect today as a stimulus to keep money in the hands of the consumer (to encourage spending). Did that not come thru in the previous post?
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It is not a tax cut and most companies that I know of are not going to have their employees get stuck with a bill for unpaid payroll taxes after the first of the year. By the way people that have jobs don't need a payroll tax cut. Especially one that will defund social security and medicare and screw over our parents and grandparents.
 
Kicker4Life said:
The most difficult part is how to explain to your kid who sees all the Instagram posts from their friends around the country who started their season last weekend, why they aren’t playing.
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Is youth soccer really that important? My kid is a pro soccer player and her internship with the Daschle group is more important to her than her soccer career and that is a fact.
 
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