Why keep arguing, NO FALL SOCCER!

Allowing bars to reopen indoors in the red zone is ridiculous. I don’t care if they serve a hamburger alongside your pitcher of bud light. People do not go to bars if they want to socially distance. People go to bars to get close to other people.

Every county that makes it to red is going to have a quick trip back to purple as soon as the bar owners realize they can reopen by calling it a restaurant.
 
Gkdad1 said:
Oc yes
San Diego no
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Can anyone point to an actual link that shows how this affects the re-opening of schools? I see articles talking how businesses can re-open depending on the color codes, but none describes a policy regarding school re-opening.
 
TangoCity said:
The elementary school(s) where I live are closed but yet the after school day care at the same school(s) are open. Strange.
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Bingo. This is something I have been saying for awhile. You're not necessarily changing the risk your just shifting the risk to day care and youth service organizations. The youth service organization I'm involved in normally provides after school programs. Now because of the school closures were open all day long. Effectively kids have been moved from school to our facilities, albeit at lower levels, but a mass of kids nonetheless.
 
Messi>CR7 said:
Can anyone point to an actual link that shows how this affects the re-opening of schools? I see articles talking how businesses can re-open depending on the color codes, but none describes a policy regarding school re-opening.
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Go here https://covid19.ca.gov/safer-economy/
and click on "Can My School Reopen Under this Blueprint"

The way I read it is that if you're in Purple your're 5 weeks out from reopening from when your numbers first improve and stay low...3 weeks to move tiers and 2 weeks in the Red tier before you can reopen schools. I could be wrong.

But then its up to your school district to open. If your in LAUSD or SDUSD your screwed. SD schools can reopen on Sep 1 but SDUSD is refusing.
 
False positive tests alone will keep the state of California (and probably all counties) in the governors new "Widespread" (hammer lockdown) category.
 
I must be missing something. OC’s metrics for the two criteria now being used are 5.6 per 100k cases and 5.0% positivity. This would put OC in the “red”/substantial category for both metrics, not the “purple”/widespread category. Red is better than purple and would allow for school openings. I sense a glitch in the system...
 
watfly said:
Bingo. This is something I have been saying for awhile. You're not necessarily changing the risk your just shifting the risk to day care and youth service organizations. The youth service organization I'm involved in normally provides after school programs. Now because of the school closures were open all day long. Effectively kids have been moved from school to our facilities, albeit at lower levels, but a mass of kids nonetheless.
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Pandering to the illegal community, free daycare and free breakfast, lunch and dinner.
 
Sheriff Joe said:
Pandering to the illegal community, free daycare and free breakfast, lunch and dinner.
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Some kids do have access to the school lunch program through our organization, otherwise we're 100% privately funded. I'm not aware of any "illegals" served by our program, but I have a tough time calling any child an illegal. Adults yes, children no.
 
Ear said:
I must be missing something. OC’s metrics for the two criteria now being used are 5.6 per 100k cases and 5.0% positivity. This would put OC in the “red”/substantial category for both metrics, not the “purple”/widespread category. Red is better than purple and would allow for school openings. I sense a glitch in the system...
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OC would need to be down below 222 daily cases. Recently, you’ve been up around 300.

orange has a population of 3.176 million. You need to be below 7 daily cases per 100K. 7 * 31.76 = 222 daily cases.

127 daily cases for yellow.

target number is (population / 100K) *7 for red. times 4 for orange.
 
Can we please assume that whoever is in charge of keeping track of statistics is assigning an error rate of both false positives and false negatives so that the blueprint is designed around a real positivity rate. Don't be so cynical.

on edit: LA County is already at the 5% positivity rate to drop it into "Substantial", the limiting factor is the sheer number of infections per 100k. If we cut those in half we're well on our way.

This is also encouraging, from that page: "For example, we know how much safer outdoor activities are than indoor ones and that it’s critical everyone wears a mask to limit the spread of the disease."

That's a good thing. Maybe youth sports are closer to being back than we think.
 
Alika M said:
Not sure i believe anything from Fox News
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The beauty is you don't have to. You can click on the link they provide to the info the are referring to.

On a related note, lets not pretend that NY Times, CNN, MSNBC are anywhere close to str8 shooters.

So what I want to see when someone talks about a study or says so and so said this, I want a direct link to the study, the actual quote on video, etc.
 
watfly said:
GraceT. I reviewed the new tier information on the State website. I'm I understanding this correctly? So if your Purple you have to wait 5 weeks once your numbers qualify for Red before you could return to school. I.e. 3 weeks to move tiers plus 2 weeks in the tier before you could reopen?
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yup. that's at least how it's being reported
 
JumboJack said:
No mention of hospitalizations. Like Tango said, false positives will keep us purple forever.

There will be a revolt.
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Not purple but definitely in orange or yellow. And note there's no green. It's restrictions for YEARS especially with a less than perfect vaccine.
 
dad4 said:
OC would need to be down below 222 daily cases. Recently, you’ve been up around 300.

orange has a population of 3.176 million. You need to be below 7 daily cases per 100K. 7 * 31.76 = 222 daily cases.

127 daily cases for yellow.

target number is (population / 100K) *7 for red. times 4 for orange.
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From state's own data. Both counties fall in the same category, but OC is purple. WTF.

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JumboJack said:
No mention of hospitalizations. Like Tango said, false positives will keep us purple forever.

There will be a revolt.
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If lab false positives are common, why isn’t far north CA purple? They use the same lbs we do.

false positives on PCR tests are rare. It won’t push you into purple.
 
Grace T. said:
Not purple but definitely in orange or yellow. And note there's no green. It's restrictions for YEARS especially with a less than perfect vaccine.
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I take faith in this:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1287559470453649413

"Covid cases grow exponentially, but resolve in essentially constant time if you can prevent new transmission. You can clear 80,000 cases almost as quickly as 800."

If we can come up with rapid testing that can be done at home, therepeutics, and even a less than perfect vaccine, if we can cut Rt down low enough, we can kill this thing.
 
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