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Eagle33

Eagle33

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Here is the scoop....
Team is about to return to training (older team). Players/parents are all excited to be back. Day before 1st training coach is getting a phone call from the player informing him that both of players parents tested positive. Luckily, training haven't started at that point and only 1 player will be missing. But what if this player would find this out after training started? Does whole team needs to shut down now? What if player knows but don't tell? What if parents don't tell the player?
Or is it "what you don't know, won't hurt you?"
 
Eagle33 said:
Here is the scoop....
Team is about to return to training (older team). Players/parents are all excited to be back. Day before 1st training coach is getting a phone call from the player informing him that both of players parents tested positive. Luckily, training haven't started at that point and only 1 player will be missing. But what if this player would find this out after training started? Does whole team needs to shut down now? What if player knows but don't tell? What if parents don't tell the player?
Or is it "what you don't know, won't hurt you?"
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This one is pretty clear. You have two weeks of zoom training while the team gets tested.

If the parents know but don't tell the coach, the kid is off the team.

If the parents know but the kid stays on the team, then other kids will leave the team.
 
Eagle33 said:
Here is the scoop....
Team is about to return to training (older team). Players/parents are all excited to be back. Day before 1st training coach is getting a phone call from the player informing him that both of players parents tested positive. Luckily, training haven't started at that point and only 1 player will be missing. But what if this player would find this out after training started? Does whole team needs to shut down now? What if player knows but don't tell? What if parents don't tell the player?
Or is it "what you don't know, won't hurt you?"
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If practice is being handled correctly any player that may be sick isn't in close contact with anyone during practice thus not infecting anyone. To be safe I'd go a week in zoom and get updates from everyone.

Don't forget, based on testing of supposedly healthy NHL and NFL players, about 7% tested positive before going into their bubble and training camps. Additionally the CDC has stated the actual numbers of people that have had it is 5-10X higher than reported number. Thus social distancing and masks is the only way to be sure you won't catch it because of asymptomatic individuals that you may see every day.
 
socalkdg said:
If practice is being handled correctly any player that may be sick isn't in close contact with anyone during practice thus not infecting anyone. To be safe I'd go a week in zoom and get updates from everyone.

Don't forget, based on testing of supposedly healthy NHL and NFL players, about 7% tested positive before going into their bubble and training camps. Additionally the CDC has stated the actual numbers of people that have had it is 5-10X higher than reported number. Thus social distancing and masks is the only way to be sure you won't catch it because of asymptomatic individuals that you may see every day.
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Bingo. You need close contact (inside 6') with someone for a specific amount of time (not sure what that is) to be considered exposed. We have been dealing with this at work so my boss is pretty familiar with the rules.
 
JumboJack said:
Bingo. You need close contact (inside 6') with someone for a specific amount of time (not sure what that is) to be considered exposed. We have been dealing with this at work so my boss is pretty familiar with the rules.
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Please dont go around telling people that 6 feet is magic.

They have isolated the virus at distances considerably longer than 6 feet. The Chinese restaurant study had several people get infected one or two tables away from the source patient. Maybe 15 feet.

6 feet is better than 3 feet, and worse than 9 feet. It is just a rough guideline, not a guarantee of non transmission.
 
dad4 said:
Please dont go around telling people that 6 feet is magic.

They have isolated the virus at distances considerably longer than 6 feet. The Chinese restaurant study had several people get infected one or two tables away from the source patient. Maybe 15 feet.

6 feet is better than 3 feet, and worse than 9 feet. It is just a rough guideline, not a guarantee of non transmission.
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Thanks Dr. Dad. Please feel free to go back to hiding under your bed.

ps... They will all be wearing masks so there is nothing to worry about...
 
dad4 said:
Please dont go around telling people that 6 feet is magic.

They have isolated the virus at distances considerably longer than 6 feet. The Chinese restaurant study had several people get infected one or two tables away from the source patient. Maybe 15 feet.

6 feet is better than 3 feet, and worse than 9 feet. It is just a rough guideline, not a guarantee of non transmission.
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WHO tells people 3 feet is magic.
www.who.int

Advice for the public on COVID-19 – World Health Organization

Simple precautions to reduce your chances of being infected or spreading COVID-19.
www.who.int www.who.int

CDC says 6 feet is magic.
www.cdc.gov

COVID-19 and Your Health

Symptoms, testing, what to do if sick, daily activities, and more.
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov

So as parents we all have decisions to make. Follow our states rules, check. Follow WHO and CDC rules, check. Based on that I'll let my kid practice. If you are worried about 15 feet then wait it out, it is your choice.
 
Copa9 said:
Some people are actually well informed, they read from a variety of sources (local and foreign), they listen to a plethora of pod casts, and most importantly they follow the science before making an informed decision instead of listening to people on a soccer forum.
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So I assume you are keeping your kid from practicing soccer in groups or with trainers? Definitely not playing scrimmages right?
 
dad4 said:
Please dont go around telling people that 6 feet is magic.

They have isolated the virus at distances considerably longer than 6 feet. The Chinese restaurant study had several people get infected one or two tables away from the source patient. Maybe 15 feet.

6 feet is better than 3 feet, and worse than 9 feet. It is just a rough guideline, not a guarantee of non transmission.
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I've seen shit on plates, significantly more frightening than The Rona, at a Chinese restaurant.
 
Eagle33 said:
Here is the scoop....
Team is about to return to training (older team). Players/parents are all excited to be back. Day before 1st training coach is getting a phone call from the player informing him that both of players parents tested positive. Luckily, training haven't started at that point and only 1 player will be missing. But what if this player would find this out after training started? Does whole team needs to shut down now? What if player knows but don't tell? What if parents don't tell the player?
Or is it "what you don't know, won't hurt you?"
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You can never go wrong by being transparent. Here are the Cal South guidelines:

"For individuals who have tested positive for COVID-19, written confirmation of COVID-19 negative status and clearance from your physician must be provided to the League/Club in order to return to full participation in sport & activity."

The club's responsibility is to do contact tracing and notify team members that they have been in close contact with someone infected. There is no specific requirement to shut down the team; however, CDC guidelines state that players should immediately get tested, and should self-quarantine until they know the results of that test. That usually means that the sessions for the rest of that week should be virtual.

If a player knows they have tested positive for the virus and doesn't tell people, you are rapidly getting into extremely dicey legal ground. We will definitely see liability lawsuits aimed at people who knew they were positive. I believe--but don't quote me-- that there are some manslaughter cases that are unfolding as a result of a known-positive person gets someone infected who winds up dying.

If the parents don't tell the player, I mean, I would evaluate what kind of situation that is at home. Those parents need a good, long talking to about their responsibilities as parents.
 
socalkdg said:
WHO tells people 3 feet is magic.
www.who.int

Advice for the public on COVID-19 – World Health Organization

Simple precautions to reduce your chances of being infected or spreading COVID-19.
www.who.int www.who.int

CDC says 6 feet is magic.
www.cdc.gov

COVID-19 and Your Health

Symptoms, testing, what to do if sick, daily activities, and more.
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov

So as parents we all have decisions to make. Follow our states rules, check. Follow WHO and CDC rules, check. Based on that I'll let my kid practice. If you are worried about 15 feet then wait it out, it is your choice.
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I missed their mention of "magic".
 
socalkdg said:
WHO tells people 3 feet is magic.
www.who.int

Advice for the public on COVID-19 – World Health Organization

Simple precautions to reduce your chances of being infected or spreading COVID-19.
www.who.int www.who.int

CDC says 6 feet is magic.
www.cdc.gov

COVID-19 and Your Health

Symptoms, testing, what to do if sick, daily activities, and more.
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov

So as parents we all have decisions to make. Follow our states rules, check. Follow WHO and CDC rules, check. Based on that I'll let my kid practice. If you are worried about 15 feet then wait it out, it is your choice.
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I am letting my kid practice. Distance, min 6 feet.

But, if one of us tests positive, we will tell the whole team. We won't keep them in the dark and assume the 6 feet was enough.
 
dad4 said:
I am letting my kid practice. Distance, min 6 feet.

But, if one of us tests positive, we will tell the whole team. We won't keep them in the dark and assume the 6 feet was enough.
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I completely agree with you. Sadly, and this is first hand knowledge, by the time you figure out you might need to get tested, then actually get tested, then get your results, it is possible 10 days will have passed.
 
notintheface said:
You can never go wrong by being transparent. Here are the Cal South guidelines:

"For individuals who have tested positive for COVID-19, written confirmation of COVID-19 negative status and clearance from your physician must be provided to the League/Club in order to return to full participation in sport & activity."

The club's responsibility is to do contact tracing and notify team members that they have been in close contact with someone infected. There is no specific requirement to shut down the team; however, CDC guidelines state that players should immediately get tested, and should self-quarantine until they know the results of that test. That usually means that the sessions for the rest of that week should be virtual.

If a player knows they have tested positive for the virus and doesn't tell people, you are rapidly getting into extremely dicey legal ground. We will definitely see liability lawsuits aimed at people who knew they were positive. I believe--but don't quote me-- that there are some manslaughter cases that are unfolding as a result of a known-positive person gets someone infected who winds up dying.
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The unintended consequence of this will be, particularly with schools closed and no way to police it as a result, that people will simply avoid getting tested unless the illness is very serious. After all, how many times have you seen someone say “it’s allergies” and they turn out to be sick.
 
dad4 said:
This one is pretty clear. You have two weeks of zoom training while the team gets tested.

If the parents know but don't tell the coach, the kid is off the team.

If the parents know but the kid stays on the team, then other kids will leave the team.
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Why would they have to have two weeks of Zoom training. The two parents tested positive, so that kid should test and then sit out.

Practice hasn't started yet, so no one had contact with anyone with positive findings.
 
Ugh this sounds like a nightmare..... I really hope parents and kids are upfront when testing positive, etc., it's the responsible thing to do. Do any clubs have a rule where any players who test positive can report anonymously? I remember reading something about players being able to do that for fear of any backlash from other parents, players, etc. If this is true, I'm curious how they will be able to confirm that the player is now negative. Like I said, this sounds like an effin nightmare. My kids are training, but we told them to be very mindful of the rules so that everything can continue to run smoothly with practices and most importantly keep everyone from the possibility of getting sick.
 
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