It is like comparing apples and oranges. Two completely different games.
New Youth Sports Guidance
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kickingandscreaming
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For weeks we have had Texas playing full-contact, non-socially-distanced soccer in the midst of one of the worst outbreaks in the nation - yet we hear nothing of new cases from this. Go into a bar or a house party, you have a decent shot at making the news. Play soccer outside, not so much. As I stated previously, the risk is not 0, but it has been shown to be very small. Trust me, there are millions of turtles out there waiting to say "I told you so" when they can trace any case to youth sports. We'll know it when it happens - and the risk will still be very small.
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Paul Spacey
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You’re right of course. Unfortunately for us in CA, weighing up risk and using common sense seems to have completely disappeared.
For anyone not glued to the mainstream media, it’s clear that this issue runs way deeper than the safety of kids. That’s why we won’t be playing games here anytime soon.
For those outside of LA County, it sounds like kids can now practice without masks so they can engage in meaningful, intense soccer training. That’s at least something positive. Hopefully for those of us within LA County, we are also afforded that ‘luxury’ soon and the sight of kids in masks, in their own ‘lanes’, tapping the ball side to side, disappears.
Plenty of posters on this forum have already mentioned that this is an opportunity for youth players to really work on their game individually; IMO it’s a necessity, not an option. For players who don’t truly love playing and don’t want to do the individual work to maintain their touch, sharpness and fitness, maybe this is the ideal time to move on to another sport or interest.
Where do those of us not glued to the mainstream media get our information?
From @Grace T. and @gkmom ..... Hahaha Just kidding ladies, it's a joke.
@Paul Spacey well said
@Ellejustus I gotta hand it to you, I always leave this site laughing after I see a post of yours!!
Cheers! off to watch Champions League....
(In my backyard don't worry)
If we want to compare other states which do things differently CNN news feed popped up with this today
260 students and 8 teachers quarantined in Georgia school district after first week of school
At least 260 students and eight teachers from a suburban school district in Atlanta, Georgia, were quarantined after multiple students and teachers tested positive for Covid-19 during the first week of school.
amp.cnn.com
California needs there own unique approach to minimizing the risks, nobody can predict what the risks are right now, it's all a guessing game. Pick wrong and the results can be pretty far reaching.
CIF took a conservative approach and pushed soccer back so has most of college sports also for now.
Paul Spacey
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https://www.theonion.com is always very informative
This onion sort of has a local soccer connection --
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kickingandscreaming
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Did they catch COVID-19 playing soccer outside?If we want to compare other states which do things differently CNN news feed popped up with this today
260 students and 8 teachers quarantined in Georgia school district after first week of school
At least 260 students and eight teachers from a suburban school district in Atlanta, Georgia, were quarantined after multiple students and teachers tested positive for Covid-19 during the first week of school.
California needs there own unique approach to minimizing the risks, nobody can predict what the risks are right now, it's all a guessing game. Pick wrong and the results can be pretty far reaching.
CIF took a conservative approach and pushed soccer back so has most of college sports also for now.
There really should be some clarity and they should just announce that no competitions will occur this fall. End of story.
Yes, in terms of death and severe illness, children seem to be at an extremely low risk. But I think it's short-sighted to use that as the only barometer to assess risk to the community. We still don't know the exact transmissions rates for asymptomatic kids with some preliminary studies suggesting kids from ages to 10 to 18 spread it just as easily as adults. And with kids under 10, they've been mostly locked down for the past 6 months, so we simply don't know yet.
The concern isn't necessarily my daughter is going to die from playing an outdoor scrimmage. The concern is if she picks up COVID and becomes a asymptomatic carrier and brings it home. I have hypertension. So while my daughter is in the very low risk category, i'm definitely higher risk. Our kids don't get to play soccer in a bubble. Parents pick them up and they live at home with adults who may be older or have underline conditions. Especially in middle / lower income communities, the adults may have health conditions that are undiagnosed. So until we have more concrete data, I think it's prudent to be overly cautious.
As for other states running youth competitions, a few people brought up Texas and Arizona as good examples.. I'm not sure why we're using them as good examples for running youth competitions when they've just had huge surges in cases. Our tracing system is almost non-existent, so we don't really know what the primary vectors of transmission are. It seems we're only effective at tracking hospitalizations and deaths and transmissions up to one degree of separation at this point. Yes indoor bars/clubs are high risk, but there's little data on things that might spread at a moderate/low level.
Also unlike other states, we (California) have several HUGE metropolitan areas, so the stakes are higher. We're not as dense as New York, so I din't think we'll ever see things accelerate like it did over there. But due to our huge population with diverse communities and local governments, if things go really sideways, it'll be very hard to put things back in the toothpaste. We're not like some Midwest state with 1-2 mid-size/large cities surrounded by empty space. Locking down one city basically stops their COVID cases. We have large and small communities sprawled out everywhere. In SoCal, you can't drive for more than 5 minutes and not end up in another city or community. It's why when OC restricted training for youth sports, a bunch of OC clubs flooded into the north county of SD. It's very easy for us to move around to other large communities. This means California can't have the same guidelines as Kansas or Utah. New York brought their numbers down by being extremely draconian. It sucked but it was necessary due to the high density of their population. Our overly cautious guidelines also suck, but I also think it's necessary given our population, geography, and diversity. We have to have guidelines that are suited for California, not Arizona.
I love soccer. My kids love soccer. I definitely miss watching them play. But the one upside to this situation is that my daughter has discovered other things she loves as well. The break from endless traveling, training, and tournaments has created space for her to explore other interests. The attitude of us parents can also affect our child's well-being during the pandemic. If we're constantly sulking and complaining about the unfairness of everything, then our kids will feed off that negativity and be miserable as well. Let's not define our kid's happiness by whether they can play in Surf Cup at the end of September or in Presidio/CSL/SCDSL/DPL/GDA/MLSDA/ECNL/NPL this fall. Just encourage them to still get touches and exercise but let them explore various interests that they would normally never have time to do. Focus on trying to make this fall school year at least somewhat comfortable whether it's online only or in-person distance learning, that's going to be a challenge in itself.
Just in terms of priorities with everything your child has to deal with and the uncertainty with the pandemic I think fall soccer competitions rank pretty low. Someone needs to put their big boy/girl pants on and just announce in a clear declarative sentence that every youth club will understand, "THERE WILL BE NO YOUTH COMPETITIONS IN 2020". Done. The remaining 4 months of 2020 will be focused on training with hopefully the return of competitions in 2021, which should be ample prep time for organizers and for consumer confidence to return.
Yes, in terms of death and severe illness, children seem to be at an extremely low risk. But I think it's short-sighted to use that as the only barometer to assess risk to the community. We still don't know the exact transmissions rates for asymptomatic kids with some preliminary studies suggesting kids from ages to 10 to 18 spread it just as easily as adults. And with kids under 10, they've been mostly locked down for the past 6 months, so we simply don't know yet.
The concern isn't necessarily my daughter is going to die from playing an outdoor scrimmage. The concern is if she picks up COVID and becomes a asymptomatic carrier and brings it home. I have hypertension. So while my daughter is in the very low risk category, i'm definitely higher risk. Our kids don't get to play soccer in a bubble. Parents pick them up and they live at home with adults who may be older or have underline conditions. Especially in middle / lower income communities, the adults may have health conditions that are undiagnosed. So until we have more concrete data, I think it's prudent to be overly cautious.
As for other states running youth competitions, a few people brought up Texas and Arizona as good examples.. I'm not sure why we're using them as good examples for running youth competitions when they've just had huge surges in cases. Our tracing system is almost non-existent, so we don't really know what the primary vectors of transmission are. It seems we're only effective at tracking hospitalizations and deaths and transmissions up to one degree of separation at this point. Yes indoor bars/clubs are high risk, but there's little data on things that might spread at a moderate/low level.
Also unlike other states, we (California) have several HUGE metropolitan areas, so the stakes are higher. We're not as dense as New York, so I din't think we'll ever see things accelerate like it did over there. But due to our huge population with diverse communities and local governments, if things go really sideways, it'll be very hard to put things back in the toothpaste. We're not like some Midwest state with 1-2 mid-size/large cities surrounded by empty space. Locking down one city basically stops their COVID cases. We have large and small communities sprawled out everywhere. In SoCal, you can't drive for more than 5 minutes and not end up in another city or community. It's why when OC restricted training for youth sports, a bunch of OC clubs flooded into the north county of SD. It's very easy for us to move around to other large communities. This means California can't have the same guidelines as Kansas or Utah. New York brought their numbers down by being extremely draconian. It sucked but it was necessary due to the high density of their population. Our overly cautious guidelines also suck, but I also think it's necessary given our population, geography, and diversity. We have to have guidelines that are suited for California, not Arizona.
I love soccer. My kids love soccer. I definitely miss watching them play. But the one upside to this situation is that my daughter has discovered other things she loves as well. The break from endless traveling, training, and tournaments has created space for her to explore other interests. The attitude of us parents can also affect our child's well-being during the pandemic. If we're constantly sulking and complaining about the unfairness of everything, then our kids will feed off that negativity and be miserable as well. Let's not define our kid's happiness by whether they can play in Surf Cup at the end of September or in Presidio/CSL/SCDSL/DPL/GDA/MLSDA/ECNL/NPL this fall. Just encourage them to still get touches and exercise but let them explore various interests that they would normally never have time to do. Focus on trying to make this fall school year at least somewhat comfortable whether it's online only or in-person distance learning, that's going to be a challenge in itself.
Just in terms of priorities with everything your child has to deal with and the uncertainty with the pandemic I think fall soccer competitions rank pretty low. Someone needs to put their big boy/girl pants on and just announce in a clear declarative sentence that every youth club will understand, "THERE WILL BE NO YOUTH COMPETITIONS IN 2020". Done. The remaining 4 months of 2020 will be focused on training with hopefully the return of competitions in 2021, which should be ample prep time for organizers and for consumer confidence to return.
The Outlaw *BANNED*
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Then what was the purpose of this... other than to tell us your daughter has a pointed cone on her head?
Jose has returned
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the risk is people will get corona. the recovery is 99.6 for healthy people. as of today. 0% of kids 0-17 have died in ca. this is contagious I've had it , it sucks, but if you are healthy you will live. If you are in a high risk group just like in boxing protect yourself at ALL times, wear your mask at ALL times even around family...im not being triteIf we want to compare other states which do things differently CNN news feed popped up with this today
260 students and 8 teachers quarantined in Georgia school district after first week of school
At least 260 students and eight teachers from a suburban school district in Atlanta, Georgia, were quarantined after multiple students and teachers tested positive for Covid-19 during the first week of school.
California needs there own unique approach to minimizing the risks, nobody can predict what the risks are right now, it's all a guessing game. Pick wrong and the results can be pretty far reaching.
CIF took a conservative approach and pushed soccer back so has most of college sports also for now.
I agree they should make the situation clear and it probably means in California no season in 2020.
There are either two possibilities in what you laid out. It is possible your daughter doesn't really love soccer, which is fine, since all kid's are different. Maybe this time will even be good for them, because it means they can discover other things they love, rather than be dragged to the soccer rat race. My son is different. First the practice shut downs, and then the school shut downs really crushed him and sent him into a full blown depression. Out in Utah, he is flourishing once again. We were either at the point where something had to change, or he had to be heavily medicated. He is passionate about soccer....lives and breathes it...and it doesn't help he's also a very high extrovert. Another relative has reacted similarly and attempted suicide 2 weeks ago.
Or maybe your daughter is really passionate about soccer, but you are asking her to sacrifice for the sake of your health. That's fine too. Everyone has to make that choice, and its very complicated. But let's be clear....by asking them to sacrifice soccer, school and socialization, we are actively hurting the younger generation for the sake of the old. That's simply not the way life usually works. And in any case, that's really a choice each individual family should make, and we should respect everyone's choice.
No it’s not a choice each individual family gets to make. That attitude is why more than 160k have died already. I have no respect for someone’s choice to put other people in danger. It’s the same people who are complaining who keep screwing it up.
Have they done any meaningful trace in the last five days. Doubtful. Who came into school already infected but asymptomatic. Maybe got it playing soccer, maybe basketball, maybe softball, maybe a backyard end of summer bbq. Who knows. Therein lies part of the problem.
Yikes. We should shut down because of your opinion? Other states are playing successfully. Look beyond your California bubble. And, yes these states have big cities playing High School soccer, club soccer, tournaments. Some are even going back to school in the classroom. Yet, you think we should all shut down now for the next 5 months? It is a choice. Your daughter can sit out regardless of what the rest of us choose to do. No one is making you do it.
Mic Nificent
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Or keep playing but at a lower level. Many different levels of soccer to fit everyone’s work ethic and dedication. Some kids just like playing for fun and don’t care about maximizing their potential on the pitch.
If that’s what you got out of reading his/her post then you should probably re-read it. And, heor she isn’t the only one who wishes they would just call the season because of all the back and forth with shutdowns etc., it’s very frustrating for parents and players. I’ve read other people post just call it and focus on whatever training is allowed. You’re entitled to your decision for your kids of course, but unfortunately if people continue to do whatever the hell they please we’re never going to be able to get the kids to play.
The Outlaw *BANNED*
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It's also house party goers, protesters and professional athletes that can't stay out of strip clubs for 10 minutes.
Does say either but 7 high school age teenages on that team and they where quarantine, tested, etc
Galaxy suspend training as 11 from USL team test positive for coronavirus
The Galaxy have suspended training and increased COVID-19 testing after 11 members of its USL Championship affiliate tested positive for the virus.