Return to Play & Practice

[electrichead72]

I'm trying to judge, probably incorrectly, how everyone here feels about getting their kid back out there to practice and play. Training is one thing, but once (if) games startup, soccer is a contact sport, so none of these kids are going to be able to "social distance" while playing.

I'm curious if you think your kid is going to catch it and if it's a big deal.

I don't think much will come of it if one of my kids gets it. They're young and healthy and my wife and I will be fine, so I'm not really worried about it, just curious to see what others in this position think about the whole thing without getting political about it.

I think for the most part everything about this is being blown out of proportion, but that's for another thread.

 

[soccer4us]

 

[soccer4us]

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VP Spartans, The Orange County Dept of Education, under the recommendation of the Department of Health, is suspending youth & high school sports “until there is specific guidance provided by the California Dept of Public Health regarding...school-based sports.” Stay positive!

 

[watfly]

I'm curious if you think your kid is going to catch it and if it's a big deal.

No and big no. There is no evidence of any material outbreaks in the country from kids playing sports and in some states kids have been playing for awhile. Some child care has been open the entire time, particularly for essential workers, and there is no evidence of kids contracting and spreading Covid. Use common sense, certainly temp check kids before play and make parents to physically distance 6ft or wear a mask. It's pretty simple.

 

[Dummy]

I'm trying to judge, probably incorrectly, how everyone here feels about getting their kid back out there to practice and play. Training is one thing, but once (if) games startup, soccer is a contact sport, so none of these kids are going to be able to "social distance" while playing.

I'm curious if you think your kid is going to catch it and if it's a big deal.

I don't think much will come of it if one of my kids gets it. They're young and healthy and my wife and I will be fine, so I'm not really worried about it, just curious to see what others in this position think about the whole thing without getting political about it.

I think for the most part everything about this is being blown out of proportion, but that's for another thread.

We live around the corner from a nursing home that had approximately 20 deaths a few months ago. When they cleared the facility, ambulances came in pairs for hours and hours. We were sheltering in place and watched them all come and go down our street all day long.

My wife and I also work in places that are impacted by COVID-19. My wife sees the positive test rate going up every week. I see the impact the the ER and ICU in the hospital where I work.

For a long time, we were waiting for the wave to hit. It finally did.

We have loved club soccer. My daughter had a great run, and my son was just hitting his stride in his run. To me, everything is different now, and soccer is non-essential.

Part of what I consider, is the risk of dying, which may be low. Other things I consider are the cost of an ICU stay, the cost of hospitalization, and even just the lost wages that come with being COVID-positive.

I always hear concerning statistics about how the number once cause of bankruptcy is medical expenses. Club soccer is a luxury that won’t survive bankruptcy.

My daughter now plays in college. My hope is that there won’t be a season, and she will focus on her studies. We anticipate keeping our son out of club soccer this year. We paid his fees in full and will not seek a refund because we want to support our coach and club.

One reason we currently keep my son out of training is because as seriously as the club takes infection control, it is not clear to us that every other family at training does, so it is not worth the risk. Games with strangers in the foreseeable future? No way.

“Tragedy is when I get a hangnail. Comedy is when you get run over by a car.” I do not expect other families to keep my family safe. My wife and I are willing to take the responsibility to keep our kids from playing in traffic.

The best freely accessible source of information in my opinion comes from CIDRAP at the University of Minnesota.

Homepage | CIDRAP

www.cidrap.umn.edu

The Osterholm Update is an excellent podcast produced by CIDRAP that is well worth listing to weekly.

I am fortunate to have many sources of medical information to choose from, and I keep mentioning this one because it provides the most comprehensive perspective.

Best of luck to all. Be safe.

 

[gkmom]

We live around the corner from a nursing home that had approximately 20 deaths a few months ago. When they cleared the facility, ambulances came in pairs for hours and hours. We were sheltering in place and watched them all come and go down our street all day long.

My wife and I also work in places that are impacted by COVID-19. My wife sees the positive test rate going up every week. I see the impact the the ER and ICU in the hospital where I work.

For a long time, we were waiting for the wave to hit. It finally did.

We have loved club soccer. My daughter had a great run, and my son was just hitting his stride in his run. To me, everything is different now, and soccer is non-essential.

Part of what I consider, is the risk of dying, which may be low. Other things I consider are the cost of an ICU stay, the cost of hospitalization, and even just the lost wages that come with being COVID-positive.

I always hear concerning statistics about how the number once cause of bankruptcy is medical expenses. Club soccer is a luxury that won’t survive bankruptcy.

My daughter now plays in college. My hope is that there won’t be a season, and she will focus on her studies. We anticipate keeping our son out of club soccer this year. We paid his fees in full and will not seek a refund because we want to support our coach and club.

One reason we currently keep my son out of training is because as seriously as the club takes infection control, it is not clear to us that every other family at training does, so it is not worth the risk. Games with strangers in the foreseeable future? No way.

“Tragedy is when I get a hangnail. Comedy is when you get run over by a car.” I do not expect other families to keep my family safe. My wife and I are willing to take the responsibility to keep our kids from playing in traffic.

The best freely accessible source of information in my opinion comes from CIDRAP at the University of Minnesota.

Homepage | CIDRAP

www.cidrap.umn.edu

The Osterholm Update is an excellent podcast produced by CIDRAP that is well worth listing to weekly.

I am fortunate to have many sources of medical information to choose from, and I keep mentioning this one because it provides the most comprehensive perspective.

Best of luck to all. Be safe.

Thank you for this perspective. It seems that many on here have a different perspective. Which is, there is no risk to kids so let them play. What I think this perspective misses is the risk of spread, not only among players, but parents as well. It's not as simple as wear a mask, stay six feet apart. People come with good intentions, but it's easy to slip up and unfortunately there's always at least one asshole who doesn't follow the rules. Not to mention the players that are in their teens and can get sick and spread the virus. I choose to follow the advice of the medical experts, not the soccer parents who think they know more than them.

 

[Ellejustus]

We live around the corner from a nursing home that had approximately 20 deaths a few months ago. When they cleared the facility, ambulances came in pairs for hours and hours. We were sheltering in place and watched them all come and go down our street all day long.

My wife and I also work in places that are impacted by COVID-19. My wife sees the positive test rate going up every week. I see the impact the the ER and ICU in the hospital where I work.

For a long time, we were waiting for the wave to hit. It finally did.

We have loved club soccer. My daughter had a great run, and my son was just hitting his stride in his run. To me, everything is different now, and soccer is non-essential.

Part of what I consider, is the risk of dying, which may be low. Other things I consider are the cost of an ICU stay, the cost of hospitalization, and even just the lost wages that come with being COVID-positive.

I always hear concerning statistics about how the number once cause of bankruptcy is medical expenses. Club soccer is a luxury that won’t survive bankruptcy.

My daughter now plays in college. My hope is that there won’t be a season, and she will focus on her studies. We anticipate keeping our son out of club soccer this year. We paid his fees in full and will not seek a refund because we want to support our coach and club.

One reason we currently keep my son out of training is because as seriously as the club takes infection control, it is not clear to us that every other family at training does, so it is not worth the risk. Games with strangers in the foreseeable future? No way.

“Tragedy is when I get a hangnail. Comedy is when you get run over by a car.” I do not expect other families to keep my family safe. My wife and I are willing to take the responsibility to keep our kids from playing in traffic.

The best freely accessible source of information in my opinion comes from CIDRAP at the University of Minnesota.

Homepage | CIDRAP

www.cidrap.umn.edu

The Osterholm Update is an excellent podcast produced by CIDRAP that is well worth listing to weekly.

I am fortunate to have many sources of medical information to choose from, and I keep mentioning this one because it provides the most comprehensive perspective.

Best of luck to all. Be safe.

The moral of the story is to do whatever the heck you can to keep your parents from nursing homes. So sad to see old people just dropped off at nursing home and then they catch the Corona and die because no one is watching over them ((not all, some good ones but....)). Anyway, I agree that soccer is non essential and my dd has moved on with other sports and activities. She and I have a 5% hope she can play one more game. Stay safe folks!!!

 

[Ellejustus]

Thank you for this perspective. It seems that many on here have a different perspective. Which is, there is no risk to kids so let them play. What I think this perspective misses is the risk of spread, not only among players, but parents as well. It's not as simple as wear a mask, stay six feet apart. People come with good intentions, but it's easy to slip up and unfortunately there's always at least one asshole who doesn't follow the rules. Not to mention the players that are in their teens and can get sick and spread the virus. I choose to follow the advice of the medical experts, not the soccer parents who think they know more than them.

No risk is true. The only risk to our family is Grandpa and Grandma on my wife side. We have not seen them in 6 months. That is by choice. My mom would have 100% stay home so kids can play. BTW, rule breakers are everywhere and it goes all the way to the top.

 

[Eagle33]

Thank you for this perspective. It seems that many on here have a different perspective. Which is, there is no risk to kids so let them play. What I think this perspective misses is the risk of spread, not only among players, but parents as well. It's not as simple as wear a mask, stay six feet apart. People come with good intentions, but it's easy to slip up and unfortunately there's always at least one asshole who doesn't follow the rules. Not to mention the players that are in their teens and can get sick and spread the virus. I choose to follow the advice of the medical experts, not the soccer parents who think they know more than them.

I have a different perspective. It's very hard for me to follow advise of so called "experts" when they change their advise every day. I have no problem wearing a mask and with having pre-teen kids sitting at home, but good luck with having teens locked up. Long term mental result of this will be devastating.

 

[Ellejustus]

I have a different perspective. It's very hard for me to follow advise of so called "experts" when they change their advise every day. I have no problem wearing a mask and with having pre-teen kids sitting at home, but good luck with having teens locked up. Long term mental result of this will be devastating.

The teens are out!!! I know so many stories I just won;t share them here because we have snitches paroling Social Media big time. I will say the news is really good on the virus but not so good with other teen issues. Good luck parents and be there to listen to the kids.

 

[Ellejustus]

 

[gkmom]

I have a different perspective. It's very hard for me to follow advise of so called "experts" when they change their advise every day. I have no problem wearing a mask and with having pre-teen kids sitting at home, but good luck with having teens locked up. Long term mental result of this will be devastating.

I'm not locking my teen up by any means. Just finding alternative activities. Cycling, hiking, running, tennis, lots of safe outings with friends. Just not contact sports with coronavirus denier parents on the sidelines for us right now. Also, the advice of medical experts seems pretty consistent. Sure, some recommendations have changed as they learn more about this brand new virus.

 

[watfly]

We live around the corner from a nursing home that had approximately 20 deaths a few months ago. When they cleared the facility, ambulances came in pairs for hours and hours. We were sheltering in place and watched them all come and go down our street all day long.

My wife and I also work in places that are impacted by COVID-19. My wife sees the positive test rate going up every week. I see the impact the the ER and ICU in the hospital where I work.

For a long time, we were waiting for the wave to hit. It finally did.

We have loved club soccer. My daughter had a great run, and my son was just hitting his stride in his run. To me, everything is different now, and soccer is non-essential.

Part of what I consider, is the risk of dying, which may be low. Other things I consider are the cost of an ICU stay, the cost of hospitalization, and even just the lost wages that come with being COVID-positive.

I always hear concerning statistics about how the number once cause of bankruptcy is medical expenses. Club soccer is a luxury that won’t survive bankruptcy.

My daughter now plays in college. My hope is that there won’t be a season, and she will focus on her studies. We anticipate keeping our son out of club soccer this year. We paid his fees in full and will not seek a refund because we want to support our coach and club.

One reason we currently keep my son out of training is because as seriously as the club takes infection control, it is not clear to us that every other family at training does, so it is not worth the risk. Games with strangers in the foreseeable future? No way.

“Tragedy is when I get a hangnail. Comedy is when you get run over by a car.” I do not expect other families to keep my family safe. My wife and I are willing to take the responsibility to keep our kids from playing in traffic.

The best freely accessible source of information in my opinion comes from CIDRAP at the University of Minnesota.

Homepage | CIDRAP

www.cidrap.umn.edu

The Osterholm Update is an excellent podcast produced by CIDRAP that is well worth listing to weekly.

I am fortunate to have many sources of medical information to choose from, and I keep mentioning this one because it provides the most comprehensive perspective.

Best of luck to all. Be safe.

What has happened at our nursing homes is horrific and the failure of leadership in some areas for not providing extreme targeted protection is criminal.

Thank you for the CIDRAP link. I did a search on "youth Covid" on CIDRAP and I didn't see any article regarding youth outbreaks or evidence of youth spread of Covid to older adults. Other than one mention of a breakout among youth at a detention facility in Louisiana. In contrast there were a few articles, or links, to articles about the concern for the non-Covid health impacts of "school closings, social distancing, overwhelming numbers of distressing public health messages, and cancelation of non-urgent healthcare visits" for vulnerable or at risk youth (ie low socioeconomic families).

In fact a link to an article from the American Academy of Pedriatrics said this about social distancing, sheltering in place with abusive parents, lack of health treatment for other health issues (including mental).
"These conditions highlight how morbidity and mortality in vulnerable pediatric populations will likely extend beyond the pandemic itself."

Please don't listen to me or any other soccer parent regarding the risks to youth of Covid. But please do your own research and don't just assume youth are at high risk or are spreaders of Covid because your a victim of the fear mongering you hear on TV.

 

[Ellejustus]

What has happened at our nursing homes is horrific and the failure of leadership in some areas for not providing extreme targeted protection is criminal.

Thank you for the CIDRAP link. I did a search on "youth Covid" on CIDRAP and I didn't see any article regarding youth outbreaks or evidence of youth spread of Covid to older adults. Other than one mention of a breakout among youth at a detention facility in Louisiana. In contrast there were a few articles, or links, to articles about the concern for the non-Covid health impacts of "school closings, social distancing, overwhelming numbers of distressing public health messages, and cancelation of non-urgent healthcare visits" for vulnerable or at risk youth (ie low socioeconomic families).

In fact a link to an article from the American Academy of Pedriatrics said this about social distancing, sheltering in place with abusive parents, lack of health treatment for other health issues (including mental).
"These conditions highlight how morbidity and mortality in vulnerable pediatric populations will likely extend beyond the pandemic itself."

Please don't listen to me or any other soccer parent regarding the risks to youth of Covid. But please do your own research and don't just assume youth are at high risk or are spreaders of Covid because your a victim of the fear mongering you hear on TV.

The things going on in these abusive homes in so scary, no one is talking about it. No father to help the boy treat the girls with respect and no respect for adults. My higher ed friend said many teachers who make the drive to LA are not coming back without school police and safety. I'm not sure a white teacher at LAUSD is going to be successful or have respect in the class anymore. A white history teacher should not be even listen too. This is real politics folks and the adults who don;t want to lose power are not going to give up, regardless of what happens to old people, teens or babies that are not born yet. We ALL get to decide Nov 3rd what direction you want for you, your loved ones and the future generations to come. I will support whatever happens Nov 3rd.

 

[Keepermom2]

The teens are out!!! I know so many stories I just won;t share them here because we have snitches paroling Social Media big time. I will say the news is really good on the virus but not so good with other teen issues. Good luck parents and be there to listen to the kids.

What is the good news on the Virus?

 

[Keepermom2]

I'm not locking my teen up by any means. Just finding alternative activities. Cycling, hiking, running, tennis, lots of safe outings with friends. Just not contact sports with coronavirus denier parents on the sidelines for us right now. Also, the advice of medical experts seems pretty consistent. Sure, some recommendations have changed as they learn more about this brand new virus.

Agree totally. I don't rely only on government medical experts. Large amounts of highly regarded medical experts are also concluding with similar findings.

 

[chiefs]

What is the good news on the Virus?

No good news but at least deaths are at its lowest point for a long time.
209 deaths Sunday, down 23% from last Sunday. Lowest Sunday since March 28.

 

[Keepermom2]

I have a different perspective. It's very hard for me to follow advise of so called "experts" when they change their advise every day. I have no problem wearing a mask and with having pre-teen kids sitting at home, but good luck with having teens locked up. Long term mental result of this will be devastating.

Sorry...I laughed when I read your post because it is sooooo over dramatic. I adopted my oldest daughter from an orphanage when she was 4.5 years old and she suffers from developmental trauma and severe depression moderate recurrent. In all of my research over the years related to Trauma, never once did I read trauma caused by not being able to play a sport. I did read about Trauma caused by social isolation but the reality is, social media has helped alleviate that issue. Also the kids can meet in a park socially distanced, can go for a walk socially distanced, and meet at Starbucks socially distanced. My daughter is pretty tenacious and has found many alternatives. Does this suck for them? Absolutely! Trauma from it? Highly unlikely.

What I did read is trauma caused by themselves ending up in the hospital, a parent or other family member ending up in the hospital or dying, or the rest of the obvious abuse and the like. Like GKMOM said, they have found alternatives. This is a great opportunity to teach children coping skills and how to look for solutions instead of at the problem.

 

[Keepermom2]

No good news but at least deaths are at its lowest point for a long time.
209 deaths Sunday, down 23% from last Sunday. Lowest Sunday since March 28.

I have learned you can't look at weekend numbers because they don't have all hospitals reporting. Tuesday through Friday is generally the most reliable picture (I say that loosely) of what is occurring. We are experiencing greater than 30% increase in hospitalizations per week and the age o hospitalizations is going down 20 to 49. I confirmed that info with nurses from a large hospital in OC.

 

[Grace T.]

I'm not locking my teen up by any means. Just finding alternative activities. Cycling, hiking, running, tennis, lots of safe outings with friends. Just not contact sports with coronavirus denier parents on the sidelines for us right now. Also, the advice of medical experts seems pretty consistent. Sure, some recommendations have changed as they learn more about this brand new virus.

1. There's no "safe" outing with friends. If your teen is with friends, you are taking a risk they are exposed to the virus, particularly because so many teens are asymptomatic. By doing that you are just as guily as the deniers or protestors of spreading the virus.
2. The advice of the so-called experts has been anything but consistent. No masks, then masks. 1 month lockdown, then more lockdowns. Gyms open, but not even distanced sports. BLM protests o.k. but antilock protests spreads the virus. HDQ works, no it doesn't, yes it does. There hasn't been anything that's consistent or makes sense, nor should there be because no one really knows what they are doing (as the point out). The flaw is in the experts making it seem to everyone else like they know what they are doing. And it doesn't have very much to do about learning more stuff about the virus...we've known the basics of this since the Diamond Princess. People have a responsibility not just to defer to the experts, but to think for themselves and get critically educated.
3. The CFR (not IFR which is a fixed number) continues to fall on this thing despite the rise in cases. Yes, it's serious. Yes, it's more serious than the flu. But if you look around the world it's increasingly looking like nothing works to contain it...you just have to burn through a certain amount and eventually it settles down. I don't get the fear porn. The worst (nationally, not regionally) really is behind us.
4. The way this is going down I'm pretty sure now no fall season (quite possibly for any sport) and even the schools are looking iffy. I said it a few months ago...get out of Cali if you can.

 

[Dof3]

Agree totally. I don't rely only on government medical experts. Large amounts of highly regarded medical experts are also concluding with similar findings.

Are any of those medical experts among the 1300 who approved street protests for racial justice issues and denounced street protests of health orders? One of the big issues now (and I fear is an issue that will long survive this COVID crisis) is that our experts have willfully provided misinformation (Dr. Fauci and the "masks are worthless" of March in order to preserve them for health care workers??? Who made Dr. Fauci a god who gets to decide to put average people at risk based on a statement he knew to be false when he made it? How many people got sick who may not have had they or others been wearing a mask? How many of them died? We can't have it both ways. Masks are worthless or Dr. Fauci's willful misstatements resulted in people DYING). These same experts elected to get political about the transmission risk of a highly contagious virus based on what the group of people were discussing and now they are incentivized to spin data to reinforce a narrative they chained themselves to. People don't trust them. And it is not just soccer parent deniers (whatever that means). Who here has a lower opinion of the CDC than they did 1 year ago? I do. Who here would have expected medical experts to take positions on protests during a pandemic based on the protests content? Not me.

So now I want to see the studies. Where is the data that says children in school are spreading the disease in a serious way? And how is that lightly studied risk balanced against the known deleterious effects of distance learning? Against the mental health effects of lockdowns and abnormal isolation? On the consequences to people's financial security and the long term economic welfare of a country now adding trillions and trillions of dollars to its national debt? Who pays for the medical care of the 40 million people who have lost their jobs? What will the long term effect of that be on health care providers?

Orange County recently (and this may still be the case) prohibited sandcastle building at the beach due to COVID. Really? Racial justice protests are OK but no gatherings for the 4th of July by order of the governor?? George Floyd's funerals are fine but nobody else can bury their dead? Protests are OK but not OK for a father to see his child born? Or family to visit a dying person in a hospital? Ok to shop at Target but not Best Buy? The wild irrationality and too often political nature of these positions has undermined credibility of both public officials and private experts. That's scary, has killed people and will kill more people. Americans are not an ungovernable people. But infantilizing, inconsistent nonsense is poor public policy, as is politicizing a public health issue.