What's your best guess as to when trainings will resume?

Waivers generally are for negligence. You're asking people to assume the risk that you'll make a mistake or your precautions will be inadequate or not done properly and their kid (or the parent) will be harmed. You're telling them they should just not participate if that inherent risk worries them.

If you do everything perfectly under the reasonable care standard, the waiver is unnecessary since you're not liable anyway (the indemnity might be necessary, though, to cover the defendant's costs if you bring suit against them). In California, courts generally won't let you waive your right to sue for gross negligence, wanton disregard for safety, intentional actions to harm you etc, but they will for regular negligence (mistakes made when trying to do the right thing).

Attorneys often advise the group drafting the waiver to specify that the parent is waiving their right to sue for negligence. That's because your reaction is common. Many parents will sign a waiver, but, according to the court, not realize they've waived their right to sue if the soccer club or field did something the wrong way (i.e., negligently). Not sure what parents think they're waiving in that case, but people don't always put 2 and 2 together. The court will rule that the waiver was ineffective because there was inadequate information or notice about the rights they were waiving. That's why they specify negligence here. It's also because "reasonable care" is so uncertain with a new virus where transmission methods are unclear that there is a decent chance what seems reasonable care now may seem like negligence in hindsight years later when there is a trial and they don't want to fight about that.

Interesting haven't read the Cal South stuff since doesn't apply in my players case but the usclub one seemed pretty straight forward I don't remember any negligence verbiage.

I've signed several waivers where I crossed out things and have been rarely questioned so I don't feel it's a take it or leave it type of deal but that's just me. Not one to think about suing anybody, leave that up to insurance companies if needed.
 
Then don’t sign and have your kid sit out. You are picking apart something that allows your kid to participate in a sport and agree not to blame the club for the risk that there is with every sport. What point are you trying to make with your post?

Easy tiger, he just did all of us a favor by breaking down the waiver and telling us what we are signing. Think of it as free legal advice.
 
Easy tiger, he just did all of us a favor by breaking down the waiver and telling us what we are signing. Think of it as free legal advice.
Be careful who you believe on these forums, I wouldn’t take “free legal advice” from someone who I am pretty sure is not a lawyer.
 
where did you find a mask that is comfy to play in?

Under armour sports mask we have a couple of the XL's. The inside is poly so kind of a like a wetsuit on your face. These are non medical and do not protect vs a virus anymore than most cloth masks.

I've been wearing neck gAiters for yrs while biking or certain high pollen situations so wanted to give these a try since I exercise outdoors and sometimes with a small training group. In the cooler temps ok but not sure if I was running 9 miles in the heat I could handle it.

Son didn't really want to bother with them but he tried it out one night during some shooting drills,. Didn't like it at all but they fit at least I would image he would take down if nobody was close and i don't think these are practical for kids running around for 40-5 minute half's.
 
Interesting haven't read the Cal South stuff since doesn't apply in my players case but the usclub one seemed pretty straight forward I don't remember any negligence verbiage.

I've signed several waivers where I crossed out things and have been rarely questioned so I don't feel it's a take it or leave it type of deal but that's just me. Not one to think about suing anybody, leave that up to insurance companies if needed.
I would imagine that no one questions what you cross out as it has no legal bearing. An attorney can chime in as to the legal bearing, but my experience with contracts & waivers has been that someone crossing something out does not eliminate that part of the waiver or change the contract. Cross out all you want if it makes you feel better, but I don't expect it to matter should something arise related to the waiver. The electronic signature is taking away the option to cross out verbiage all together. It will be interesting.
 
I would imagine that no one questions what you cross out as it has no legal bearing. An attorney can chime in as to the legal bearing, but my experience with contracts & waivers has been that someone crossing something out does not eliminate that part of the waiver or change the contract. Cross out all you want if it makes you feel better, but I don't expect it to matter should something arise related to the waiver. The electronic signature is taking away the option to cross out verbiage all together. It will be interesting.

Ok if you say so, I've had lawyers, real estate, medical, and other people striking things out of many different documents including waivers so I'm assuming they don't do so to make themselves feel better but I'm no lawyer either.
 
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