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MacDre said:
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Not many. Do you realize how hard it is to get a solid drug connection? One of these days I’ll have the black on black crime debate with you and win but I want to give you more time to prepare your weak ass superficial analysis. It would be too easy to win and I like a challenge. Eat right and study hard and when you’re ready we’ll have the debate. But seriously, if you do the work the issue will resolve itself and you will be enlightened. I think the true facts will be much more palatable to you if you discover them yourself as opposed to social justice advocate schooling you on a public forum.
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I am interested in a discussion. Not from a crime perspective, however. Some people are criminals. And poor people tend to be more violently criminal that non-poor people. Seems to me that some of those crime statistics are really an outgrowth of disparity in poverty, education and aspirations (by that I mean some people don't want to be poor, other people want to own a business so as not to be poor - the specifics of hopes and dreams matter). Being poor doesn't excuse crime, but I don't think crime statistics are mysterious when considered along side other variables.

Instead, I think a more interesting discussion is an assessment of what will be required of and from the black community to close the net worth, education and employment gaps. Removing bias from those systems is an important and necessary step. But, once removed (or more immediately along with that change process), what is your view of what will be required from the black community to take full advantage of an increasingly and hopefully sooner than later fully leveled playing field? And how does that intersect with your views on "cultural assimilation," if at all? And I ask because if people are really interested in helping heal this gaping wound in America, trying not to be unintentionally racist goes only so far. Helping people help themselves seems to me a much better path to real, sustainable outcomes. What does that look like for the person helping and the person being helped?
 
MacDre said:
In general, I think it’s good. I have mentioned before that I send my kid to an International school at great personal expense because I want her to have a culturally and socially relevant education. A huge problem in the US has been the promotion of “great white men” to the exclusion of everyone else.

As a child, I remember visiting Mt Vernon on a field trip and thinking why would the guy who never promised to lie was a slave owner with illegitimate mixed kids. I don’t think someone that supported the institution of slavery should be honored.
Do you think former slave owners should be promoted as heroes to our youth?
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I think it depends. I think nobody is all hero or villain. The contributions of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson and others to America are pretty significant despite them not being close to perfect. I don't think those contributions should be presented without reference to the other important parts of their lives. The whole story should be told. But I think the life we lead today as Americans is, in significant part, owed to the people who created this country. The fact that people owned slaves says something about them, but not everything. I also think that if people believe a statue should be removed, then they should work through an available process with the appropriate authorities to remove it. I don't think it is up to the people who pulled it down to decide that they think it should come down and then pull it down because that's how they feel. It doesn't belong to them alone and thus is not their decision alone as to what happens to it. If we ignore the civil processes we have in place, then this all becomes about might. That's dangerous and I don't think any of us want to live in a society like that. I don't - even if I have the biggest guns.
 
MacDre said:
In general, I think it’s good. I have mentioned before that I send my kid to an International school at great personal expense because I want her to have a culturally and socially relevant education. A huge problem in the US has been the promotion of “great white men” to the exclusion of everyone else.

As a child, I remember visiting Mt Vernon on a field trip and thinking why would the guy who never promised to lie was a slave owner with illegitimate mixed kids. I don’t think someone that supported the institution of slavery should be honored.
Do you think former slave owners should be promoted as heroes to our youth?
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Of course they should, doesn’t mean we can’t change our minds.

People evolve, just ask Obama.
 
The Outlaw said:
Well, tasers CAN be fatal and so can rendering a cop defenseless, so you can take his Glock, since you've already proven you're more than willing to assault him. Good luck getting the murder conviction. When he beats it, don't blame anyone but your feelings.
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What you are failing to realize is that young law clerks are writing several preliminary motions. The arguments you are making
Dof3 said:
I am interested in a discussion. Not from a crime perspective, however. Some people are criminals. And poor people tend to be more violently criminal that non-poor people. Seems to me that some of those crime statistics are really an outgrowth of disparity in poverty, education and aspirations (by that I mean some people don't want to be poor, other people want to own a business so as not to be poor - the specifics of hopes and dreams matter). Being poor doesn't excuse crime, but I don't think crime statistics are mysterious when considered along side other variables.

Instead, I think a more interesting discussion is an assessment of what will be required of and from the black community to close the net worth, education and employment gaps. Removing bias from those systems is an important and necessary step. But, once removed (or more immediately along with that change process), what is your view of what will be required from the black community to take full advantage of an increasingly and hopefully sooner than later fully leveled playing field? And how does that intersect with your views on "cultural assimilation," if at all? And I ask because if people are really interested in helping heal this gaping wound in America, trying not to be unintentionally racist goes only so far. Helping people help themselves seems to me a much better path to real, sustainable outcomes. What does that look like for the person helping and the person being helped?
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Really all black folks need is for whites to stop being scandalous. Black success has always scared white folks. Look at what happened to black wall street in Oklahoma or the Black Panther Party. I don’t know any racist black people but I know of several racist whites.

I think white men are the most violent and destructive that the world has ever seen. The Moors civilized Europe. Whites were uplifted by Africans and stabbed them in the back due to greed. Blacks have never enslaved or oppressed white folks. White folks have a long history of misappropriating black culture and history and presenting it as “white greatness.”
The white Greeks were great but they stole everything from Egypt. If you travel the world you’ll see that the images of Jesus was black until pope Julius II commissioned Michelangelo to paint his image and he painted an image of his white surfer dude cousin. I think this was the beginning of white supremacy.
So if white folks would stop lying and being scandalous, things would work themselves out.
 
Dof3 said:
I think it depends. I think nobody is all hero or villain. The contributions of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson and others to America are pretty significant despite them not being close to perfect. I don't think those contributions should be presented without reference to the other important parts of their lives. The whole story should be told. But I think the life we lead today as Americans is, in significant part, owed to the people who created this country. The fact that people owned slaves says something about them, but not everything. I also think that if people believe a statue should be removed, then they should work through an available process with the appropriate authorities to remove it. I don't think it is up to the people who pulled it down to decide that they think it should come down and then pull it down because that's how they feel. It doesn't belong to them alone and thus is not their decision alone as to what happens to it. If we ignore the civil processes we have in place, then this all becomes about might. That's dangerous and I don't think any of us want to live in a society like that. I don't - even if I have the biggest guns.
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What about the process to decide what statues are erected in the first place. I’m certain Natives & blacks weren’t considered. Why aren’t you concerned about how the statues got there and what they represent?
 
MacDre said:
Really? I would much prefer the contributions of Egypt or Jesus.
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We don't have to go all the way to Jesus. Harriet Tubman or Rosa Parks, for example. I certainly agree that statues of people who are not white (or male) are in far too short of supply. But the fix is to build those statutes, not to tear down others. What does the absence of that George Washington statue teach our children?

And, no, I am not talking about confederate generals. I understand that perspective, but I don't see it the same as I do when we get to Washington and Jefferson.
 
MacDre said:
What you are failing to realize is that young law clerks are writing several preliminary motions. The arguments you are making

Really all black folks need is for whites to stop being scandalous. Black success has always scared white folks. Look at what happened to black wall street in Oklahoma or the Black Panther Party. I don’t know any racist black people but I know of several racist whites.

I think white men are the most violent and destructive that the world has ever seen. The Moors civilized Europe. Whites were uplifted by Africans and stabbed them in the back due to greed. Blacks have never enslaved or oppressed white folks. White folks have a long history of misappropriating black culture and history and presenting it as “white greatness.”
The white Greeks were great but they stole everything from Egypt. If you travel the world you’ll see that the images of Jesus was black until pope Julius II commissioned Michelangelo to paint his image and he painted an image of his white surfer dude cousin. I think this was the beginning of white supremacy.
So if white folks would stop lying and being scandalous, things would work themselves out.
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Who gives a shit about clerks writing motions? What does that have to do with the FACT that tasers can be fatal? Your poster boy physically assaulted a cop with his fists and shot at him with a deadly weapon. You need more than clerks, you need Jackie Chiles for this abortion.

Black success is scary now? Really? It doesn't happen often enough to scare anybody. And when you have it, you STILL whine. Not enough black people winning Oscars. Not enough black people in the NFL (65%). Not enough black control in the NBA (75%). You have your own network. You have your own colleges. You get a lowered bar to get into everyone else's. What else? How much is enough? Now you're criminals are becoming heroes for being thugs. Anything else, Dre? You want lower interest rates? Tax breaks? You're already asking for reparations, even though you weren't slaves, from people that never owned slaves.

Stop with the babbling bullshit about Moors and Jesus. Goddamn... is it a genetic inability to talk about black crime in 2020? Here are the facts, Dre: Blacks are the lowest academic performing race in this country. According to a black Stanford professor, 90% of black children are born into single parent households. Blacks represent 13% of the population and commit over 60% of violent crimes. Black folks murder each other 7 times a day. SEVEN TIMES PER DAY! And if you don't know any racist black people, maybe it's because your colleagues and neighbors are white. Even your boy Jesse Jackson said he'd rather be in a white neighborhood. What a coincidence... so do ALL black people with money.
 
Dof3 said:
We don't have to go all the way to Jesus. Harriet Tubman or Rosa Parks, for example. I certainly agree that statues of people who are not white (or male) are in far too short of supply. But the fix is to build those statutes, not to tear down others. What does the absence of that George Washington statue teach our children?

And, no, I am not talking about confederate generals. I understand that perspective, but I don't see it the same as I do when we get to Washington and Jefferson.
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What they represent as decided by whom? Local decisions are made locally and people should vote. That's where input comes from. And, believe me, I understand the frustration of living someplace where the majority of voters disagrees with you. My choice is to engage the process and convince enough others, move or be frustrated. It doesn't mean that I can decide that I don't agree and start breaking stuff.
 
MacDre said:
What you are failing to realize is that young law clerks are writing several preliminary motions. The arguments you are making

Really all black folks need is for whites to stop being scandalous. Black success has always scared white folks. Look at what happened to black wall street in Oklahoma or the Black Panther Party. I don’t know any racist black people but I know of several racist whites.

I think white men are the most violent and destructive that the world has ever seen. The Moors civilized Europe. Whites were uplifted by Africans and stabbed them in the back due to greed. Blacks have never enslaved or oppressed white folks. White folks have a long history of misappropriating black culture and history and presenting it as “white greatness.”
The white Greeks were great but they stole everything from Egypt. If you travel the world you’ll see that the images of Jesus was black until pope Julius II commissioned Michelangelo to paint his image and he painted an image of his white surfer dude cousin. I think this was the beginning of white supremacy.
So if white folks would stop lying and being scandalous, things would work themselves out.
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Ok. If you are telling me that you don't know any black racist people, then you stop being a serious person in my view.
 
By the way, Dre, Black Wall Street was basically 3 square blocks in shit hole Tulsa, OK. It hasn't been rebuilt. Why not? Why don't wealthy black people reinvest in black communities? I know why. What say you? Why do wealthy black people hold onto their own money and live in Santa Barbara, Oprah?
 
Dof3 said:
We don't have to go all the way to Jesus. Harriet Tubman or Rosa Parks, for example. I certainly agree that statues of people who are not white (or male) are in far too short of supply. But the fix is to build those statutes, not to tear down others. What does the absence of that George Washington statue teach our children?
And, no, I am not talking about confederate generals. I understand that perspective, but I don't see it the same as I do when we get to Washington and Jefferson.
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Why don’t you see Washington and Jefferson the same? I suspect it’s because you were brainwashed with a romanticized version of white male greatness regarding Washington and Jefferson during your youth like I was.
I hated school because it was
 
The Outlaw said:
Who gives a shit about clerks writing motions? What does that have to do with the FACT that tasers can be fatal? Your poster boy physically assaulted a cop with his fists and shot at him with a deadly weapon. You need more than clerks, you need Jackie Chiles for this abortion.

Black success is scary now? Really? It doesn't happen often enough to scare anybody. And when you have it, you STILL whine. Not enough black people winning Oscars. Not enough black people in the NFL (65%). Not enough black control in the NBA (75%). You have your own network. You have your own colleges. You get a lowered bar to get into everyone else's. What else? How much is enough? Now you're criminals are becoming heroes for being thugs. Anything else, Dre? You want lower interest rates? Tax breaks? You're already asking for reparations, even though you weren't slaves, from people that never owned slaves.

Stop with the babbling bullshit about Moors and Jesus. Goddamn... is it a genetic inability to talk about black crime in 2020? Here are the facts, Dre: Blacks are the lowest academic performing race in this country. According to a black Stanford professor, 90% of black children are born into single parent households. Blacks represent 13% of the population and commit over 60% of violent crimes. Black folks murder each other 7 times a day. SEVEN TIMES PER DAY! And if you don't know any racist black people, maybe it's because your colleagues and neighbors are white. Even your boy Jesse Jackson said he'd rather be in a white neighborhood. What a coincidence... so do ALL black people with money.
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Law clerks are filing motions in limine. I guarantee you the jury will hear none of the garbage that you speak of.

Outlaw, you embarrass the white in me. Black colleges? How about colleges started by white men for their illegitimate mixed kids where the criteria for admissions was that you had to be lighter than a paper bag. I think Obama would have gotten in back in the days but not me I’m too dark. I wasn’t the recipient of Affirmative action. I can also tell that LEOP was majority white while I was at Hastings.
 
Dof3 said:
Ok. If you are telling me that you don't know any black racist people, then you stop being a serious person in my view.
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Blacks have been enslaved and persecuted by whites. The distrust, anger, and hatred is justified. Blacks would be dumb as fuck to overlook 400 years of persecution and bondage. What’s the justification for white folks?
 
MacDre said:
Blacks have been enslaved and persecuted by whites. The distrust, anger, and hatred is justified. Blacks would be dumb as fuck to overlook 400 years of persecution and bondage. What’s the justification for white folks?
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Distrust, anger and hatred - your words - of and towards present day white people by present day black people is justified? Your hatred is justified by my whiteness but you don't know any black racists. With that perspective, I don't think you have to look very hard to find one. And, more practically, it is not a functional approach to resolving race issues in America. That is unless you think that black people are just going to impose their will over white people in all facets of society. That seems unlikely to me and certainly not without a staggering number of dead white and black people. So, keep that point of view and approach to resolution of the racial divide in America and see how well things work out. I think you are too smart to be that myopic. Good luck to you. I hope you find some peace and a change of heart.
 
Dof3 said:
Distrust, anger and hatred - your words - of and towards present day white people by present day black people is justified? Your hatred is justified by my whiteness but you don't know any black racists. With that perspective, I don't think you have to look very hard to find one. And, more practically, it is not a functional approach to resolving race issues in America. That is unless you think that black people are just going to impose their will over white people in all facets of society. That seems unlikely to me and certainly not without a staggering number of dead white and black people. So, keep that point of view and approach to resolution of the racial divide in America and see how well things work out. I think you are too smart to be that myopic. Good luck to you. I hope you find some peace and a change of heart.
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Actually it’s the point of view of the top Sociologist and Anthropologist at top Universities throughout the world.
 
MacDre said:
What you are failing to realize is that young law clerks are writing several preliminary motions. The arguments you are making

Really all black folks need is for whites to stop being scandalous. Black success has always scared white folks. Look at what happened to black wall street in Oklahoma or the Black Panther Party. I don’t know any racist black people but I know of several racist whites.

I think white men are the most violent and destructive that the world has ever seen. The Moors civilized Europe. Whites were uplifted by Africans and stabbed them in the back due to greed. Blacks have never enslaved or oppressed white folks. White folks have a long history of misappropriating black culture and history and presenting it as “white greatness.”
The white Greeks were great but they stole everything from Egypt. If you travel the world you’ll see that the images of Jesus was black until pope Julius II commissioned Michelangelo to paint his image and he painted an image of his white surfer dude cousin. I think this was the beginning of white supremacy.
So if white folks would stop lying and being scandalous, things would work themselves out.
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Your history is kind of weak.

Those Moors who civilized Europe? Their descendants were the Barbary Coast Pirates who ran the slave markets in Algiers, Tunisia, and Tripoli. The slave markets where you could buy a white woman recently abducted from Italy or France, or a black woman who had been forced to walk across the Sahara.

Now , why is it that the Moors count as black when they are helping keep civilization alive in Europe, but don’t count as black when they are running slave markets? It’s the same people. You can't call them black in from 800 to 1300 but white from 1500 to 1800.
 
Dof3 said:
If we ignore the civil processes we have in place, then this all becomes about might. That's dangerous and I don't think any of us want to live in a society like that.
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For a good view of the "civil processes" you just have to look at the gerrymandering that takes place all over this country by both Ds & Rs. You just have to look at the rigging of the judiciary by both Ds & Rs, despite the fact that it is meant to be separate and a check.

When people are predicting whether cases will be won/lost based on the politics of the judges, you know that there are no civil processes - they've been bought & paid for.

The greatest fears of the Rs & Ds are
1. everyone will vote
2. a third party
 
dad4 said:
Your history is kind of weak.

Those Moors who civilized Europe? Their descendants were the Barbary Coast Pirates who ran the slave markets in Algiers, Tunisia, and Tripoli. The slave markets where you could buy a white woman recently abducted from Italy or France, or a black woman who had been forced to walk across the Sahara.

Now , why is it that the Moors count as black when they are helping keep civilization alive in Europe, but don’t count as black when they are running slave markets? It’s the same people. You can't call them black in from 800 to 1300 but white from 1500 to 1800.
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I never said blacks didn’t run slave markets. I also never knew French and Italian were sold as slaves. I’m not an expert on this subject matter. I learned most of it recently helping my daughter with her homework at her International school. We also visited museums in Madrid, Seville, and the Alhambra in Granada, Spain. They really emphasize constructivism at her school so we take lots of trips.
 
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