NEW ECNL CHAT

[youthsportsugh]

No. He ran it for maybe 2 years. Eventually got pushed out for basically recruiting/taking kids from that program but you can guess who nominates to national team coaches. Of course some quakes04 kids deserve it but not 6 vs 0 mvla

I knew about the PDP in region 2 of NorCal as we had that interaction with him, but my daughter didn't like the interactions at the "tryouts" with the other girls that were already in. She was invited back, but didn't want to go, so we didn't.

 

[GT45]

As a Legends parent I'm disgusted at how ECNL is bracketing our club. We never left ECNL because we were never allowed in so how can you (ECNL) put us in the "B" flight? I'll throw Beach in there too. Your "B" flight will be stronger than your "A" flight and what sense does that make? My solution: have a simple qualifying playoff like CRL does. And I say who gives a shit that Arsenal, Sharks, etc have been loyal. There's no loyalty here. It's about finding the best of the best yearly and keeping them playing each other in the same league. What am I missing here? Come on ECNL, get your shit together. Otherwise, you're going to have another DA situation on your hands where you'll see a lot of player movement.

Easy to blame it on ECNL. Why don't you ask your director about his relationship with Lavers. Maybe just maybe your guy burned that bridge for you.

 

[Kicker4Life]

Interesting take on loyalty. If you want into ECNL so badly then join Arsenal. Who gives a sh*t that your DD has been with her team for x amount of time. ECNL teams are available for those good enough to make them. You got to roll with the punches or get left out.

By that logic, why didn’t girls jump to DA if they wanted to be on the National team.

My answer, they shouldn’t have too....that applies to both statements.

 

[Ellejustus]

No. He ran it for maybe 2 years. Eventually got pushed out for basically recruiting/taking kids from that program but you can guess who nominates to national team coaches. Of course some quakes04 kids deserve it but not 6 vs 0 mvla

Interesting to see how these TCs were really used for. I too was told how to make The List. We had no U14 National team ever back in 2015 and they were looking to build one. This would be the youngest team ever to take on the likes of Spain. Trips to Europe and even pros for the top top players i was sold and 100% fully funded. I was pissed off at my daughters only TC invite. She got bad marks in her only eval and the good Doctor did not invite her back. I had no idea he was the Director too of the San Diego TC and the one who invites and uninvites as he sees fit. Do what the doctor asks, and you have a better chance at The List. Go against the Doctors orders and kiss that dream good bye. Sounds so healthy to me and just the kind of Doctor I want as a roll model for my precious baby girl. No thanks and we left too.

 

[GT45]

By that logic, why didn’t girls jump to DA if they wanted to be on the National team.

My answer, they shouldn’t have too....that applies to both statements.

ECNL is a privately run league. They can invite who they want. If you want to play in it, go join an ECNL team. If you want to play for Legends, then do so.

 

[Ellejustus]

By that logic, why didn’t girls jump to DA if they wanted to be on the National team.

My answer, they shouldn’t have too....that applies to both statements.

Kicker, I always argued the issues with that failed league was the use of "The List" to take top players to come over to the GDA access to YNT league. ECNL was and is a private company and only sold access to college coaches a few times a year at their showcase. That is a big difference than waving the YNT wand and trick folks. My dd was banned from the league because she fought for HS Soccer and was not the right fit for the snitches. Karma is a bitch. You should never, ever mess with any little girls dreams. I mean that. "come over hear and you will make ID Camp or this or that." My kid is one of thousands who have watched the WNT team win gold and world cups left and right and that is one of the reasons she still plays the game. My dd is a winner and what some assholes did to her and other little girls with dreams was dumb and not wise.

 

[EOTL]

I think its BS to use the United States of America's U14 YNT List to float around on a hook to steal customers from other clubs to your club. These weren;t coaches forming a team either. These were Docs forming a list of 12 and 13 years so they could put them on their website and get more kids to sign up. From that list, they advertised on social media that their club develops world class players that turn into NTP. The little little kids sign up and the club makes lot's of money and that is how you win at club soccer.

Whaaaah. Kids can play for whomever they want. If they find a better option who can better advance their interests, good for them. It’s not like any YNT roster is a secret. If you’re a better coach who can provide better opportunity, by all means go get ‘em. It’s certainly more ethical for a coach to bring in kids based in the coach’s hard work than one who just bribes a dad by offering his kid a free ride. Regardless, if there was ever someone in favor of mobility, one would think you are the guy.

 

[Palmcina]

By that logic, why didn’t girls jump to DA if they wanted to be on the National team.

My answer, they shouldn’t have too....that applies to both statements.

My point was that if you’re going to argue screw loyalty then it shouldn’t be a big deal to follow the shiny object aka ECNL club.

On your point, if I felt my child was good enough for the YNT and her current club was an obstacle then I would put her where it most benefited her. Some times that changes year to year but hopefully it doesn’t.

 

[EOTL]

As a Legends parent I'm disgusted at how ECNL is bracketing our club. We never left ECNL because we were never allowed in so how can you (ECNL) put us in the "B" flight? I'll throw Beach in there too. Your "B" flight will be stronger than your "A" flight and what sense does that make? My solution: have a simple qualifying playoff like CRL does. And I say who gives a shit that Arsenal, Sharks, etc have been loyal. There's no loyalty here. It's about finding the best of the best yearly and keeping them playing each other in the same league. What am I missing here? Come on ECNL, get your shit together. Otherwise, you're going to have another DA situation on your hands where you'll see a lot of player movement.

The haves never give to the have nots for nothing; that is something you need to accept to have any chance of moving up. You need to offer them something that outweighs the risk that you might take their customers. Being good competition isn’t enough because there is already good competition. You need to be able to show that not letting you into the A bracket hurts their financial bottom line.

 

[Kicker4Life]

ECNL is a privately run league. They can invite who they want. If you want to play in it, go join an ECNL team. If you want to play for Legends, then do so.

You failed to see my point or I failed to make it more clear.

 

[dad4]

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ECNL is a privately run league. They can invite who they want. If you want to play in it, go join an ECNL team. If you want to play for Legends, then do so.

If the league or the member clubs are 501c3, then they claim to be running a charity to promote the game. That is different from claiming to run a private business.

 

[SoccerGuru]

As a Legends parent I'm disgusted at how ECNL is bracketing our club. We never left ECNL because we were never allowed in so how can you (ECNL) put us in the "B" flight? I'll throw Beach in there too. Your "B" flight will be stronger than your "A" flight and what sense does that make? My solution: have a simple qualifying playoff like CRL does. And I say who gives a shit that Arsenal, Sharks, etc have been loyal. There's no loyalty here. It's about finding the best of the best yearly and keeping them playing each other in the same league. What am I missing here? Come on ECNL, get your shit together. Otherwise, you're going to have another DA situation on your hands where you'll see a lot of player movement.

I have always said that Legends and Beach should have been allowed in and are great clubs but it does sound like whoever is in charge burned a bridge with ecnl. Also, I understand the frustration but to say beach, legends and Pats are a better league than slammers, blues, SD surf, strikers and real so cal....probably not the best argument you could make.

 

[EOTL]

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If the league or the member clubs are 501c3, then they claim to be running a charity to promote the game. That is different from claiming to run a private business.

Running a charity does not mean people should not be paid appropriately for the good work they do. And FYI, “appropriately” means as much money as allows them to run a financially sustainable program. If you’re paying yourself even $250k a year but keeping some children fit, opening college doors for them, and the non-profit isn’t losing money, by all means take it. If Joel Osteen can take home $50 million plus perks in his career while locking the doors to keep out the homeless and needy, certainly a guy running a youth soccer program who actually helps kids should be able to make 0.5% of that per year.

Regardless, “appropriately” does not mean what an anonymous internet poster who has never run a real business thinks is too much or unfair. Your belief that a non-profit soccer club’s goal should be “to promote the game” is just wrong. It is to try to provide whatever benefit the non-profit chooses, which comes in many different forms. Maybe exercise is enough for many kids. Maybe opening college doors. Maybe keeping kids out of trouble.

 

[Ellejustus]

Running a charity does not mean people should not be paid appropriately for the good work they do. And FYI, “appropriately” means as much money as allows them to run a financially sustainable program. If you’re paying yourself even $250k a year but keeping some children fit, opening college doors for them, and the non-profit isn’t losing money, by all means take it. If Joel Osteen can take home $50 million plus perks in his career while locking the doors to keep out the homeless and needy, certainly a guy running a youth soccer program who actually helps kids should be able to make 0.5% of that per year.

Regardless, “appropriately” does not mean what an anonymous internet poster who has never run a real business thinks is too much or unfair. Your belief that a non-profit soccer club’s goal should be “to promote the game” is just wrong. It is to try to provide whatever benefit the non-profit chooses, which comes in many different forms. Maybe exercise is enough for many kids. Maybe opening college doors. Maybe keeping kids out of trouble.

I agree with you smartypants. I also appreciate your love for HS Soccer. Hmmmmm!!! I also understand now why you make fun of me for heading to surf for the freebies. Also, if a doc is making $250,000 a year, then by all means he too can give out some freebies to those in need.

 

[dad4]

Running a charity does not mean people should not be paid appropriately for the good work they do. And FYI, “appropriately” means as much money as allows them to run a financially sustainable program. If you’re paying yourself even $250k a year but keeping some children fit, opening college doors for them, and the non-profit isn’t losing money, by all means take it. If Joel Osteen can take home $50 million plus perks in his career while locking the doors to keep out the homeless and needy, certainly a guy running a youth soccer program who actually helps kids should be able to make 0.5% of that per year.

Regardless, “appropriately” does not mean what an anonymous internet poster who has never run a real business thinks is too much or unfair. Your belief that a non-profit soccer club’s goal should be “to promote the game” is just wrong. It is to try to provide whatever benefit the non-profit chooses, which comes in many different forms. Maybe exercise is enough for many kids. Maybe opening college doors. Maybe keeping kids out of trouble.

At this point, ECNL deliberately throws up barriers that make it hard to schedule games for top level athletes.

How is that consistent with being a public benefit organization? You are directly harming the very people you claim to help.

Raise the game my ass.

 

[EOTL]

At this point, ECNL deliberately throws up barriers that make it hard to schedule games for top level athletes.

How is that consistent with being a public benefit organization? You are directly harming the very people you claim to help.

Raise the game my ass.

I think you are confusing ECNL with GDA. You are also confusing “providing a public benefit” with “providing you personally with a benefit.” ECNL and member clubs unquestionably provide children with benefits. Whether they do it the way you want them to is your problem.

Joel Osteen has legally made over $50 million teaching the “prosperity gospel” while ignoring the homeless and destitute right outside his door. Claiming that ECNL and member clubs are not benefiting the public because a few daddies at Beach FC aren’t getting what they want or to their satisfaction is one of the pettiest and most pathetic things I’ve heard in a while, and that’s saying a lot given that @Ellejustus is posting every five minutes again.

 

[Ellejustus]

I think you are confusing ECNL with GDA. You are also confusing “providing a public benefit” with “providing you personally with a benefit.” ECNL and member clubs unquestionably provide children with benefits. Whether they do it the way you want them to is your problem.

Joel Osteen has legally made over $50 million teaching the “prosperity gospel” while ignoring the homeless and destitute right outside his door. Claiming that ECNL and member clubs are not benefiting the public because a few daddies at Beach FC aren’t getting what they want or to their satisfaction is one of the pettiest and most pathetic things I’ve heard in a while, and that’s saying a lot given that @Ellejustus is posting every five minutes again.

Easy Tiger. I took my rocket out to the park for some PE for two hours and just got back. I'm grateful I get to be PE teacher and campus patrol officer at my house. My wife handles all the admin and homework. I only ask for one thing from her. What's the GPA? My mom volunteered her time once a week at Rev. Robert Schuller suicide hot line back in the late 70s. She did it for free for 10 years and was his mother of year one year. Plus, our family had a big write up in Life Magazine but the Vietnam War kept her story from being published. My mom would tell me some of the stories of people she helped to live another day and not give up. Some really bad stories of death of despair too I won;t share on here. Anyway, she fell on her face at one of his retreat centers he owned by the Ranch where all the Blues used to run around. I would be reminded at my dd practices back then of how he treated my mother so poorly and actually blamed her for tripping on one of those old Spanish walk ways that had no lights back then. After her deposition, he realized he made mistake and took care of her the right way as he should have. I'm good with all the top Revs and Docs making a few bucks but share a the loot too.

 

[dad4]

I think you are confusing ECNL with GDA. You are also confusing “providing a public benefit” with “providing you personally with a benefit.” ECNL and member clubs unquestionably provide children with benefits. Whether they do it the way you want them to is your problem.

Joel Osteen has legally made over $50 million teaching the “prosperity gospel” while ignoring the homeless and destitute right outside his door. Claiming that ECNL and member clubs are not benefiting the public because a few daddies at Beach FC aren’t getting what they want or to their satisfaction is one of the pettiest and most pathetic things I’ve heard in a while, and that’s saying a lot given that @Ellejustus is posting every five minutes again.

It is easy to confuse ECNL with GDA, because you are behaving in exactly the same manner, and deserve exactly the same respect. None.

If ECNL wants to run as a mutual benefit non-profit for the benefit of DOCs, then ask congess to change the tax laws. If you want to run as a public benefit corporation, then expect people to ask you to benefit the public.

So, to parents driving past a GA club in order to play an ECNL club 30 miles further away, remember that it was Blues and Slammers who did this to you. And they did it so they would have an excuse to raise your fees.

 

[EOTL]

It is easy to confuse ECNL with GDA, because you are behaving in exactly the same manner, and deserve exactly the same respect. None.

If ECNL wants to run as a mutual benefit non-profit for the benefit of DOCs, then ask congess to change the tax laws. If you want to run as a public benefit corporation, then expect people to ask you to benefit the public.

So, to parents driving past a GA club in order to play an ECNL club 30 miles further away, remember that it was Blues and Slammers who did this to you. And they did it so they would have an excuse to raise your fees.

Huh, ECNL is fully compliant with the tax laws. You’re the one who wants them to do something that tax laws do not require. You’re the one who needs to ask Congress to change them, because ECNL and I are perfectly happy the way they are. Cha Ching!

If the tax laws were such that non-profit status depended on whether a particular person believes a non-profit is doing what it wants, I’d argue that Beach FC and Legends should be stripped of their non-profit status because they aren’t serving the interests of elite youth soccer players nearly as successfully as the clubs in ECNL. Specifically, they couldn’t make their own awesome league but, rather, they stupidly chose to take shortcuts by joining GDA although I told everyone it was doomed.

 

[EOTL]

Easy Tiger. I took my rocket out to the park for some PE for two hours and just got back. I'm grateful I get to be PE teacher and campus patrol officer at my house. My wife handles all the admin and homework. I only ask for one thing from her. What's the GPA? My mom volunteered her time once a week at Rev. Robert Schuller suicide hot line back in the late 70s. She did it for free for 10 years and was his mother of year one year. Plus, our family had a big write up in Life Magazine but the Vietnam War kept her story from being published. My mom would tell me some of the stories of people she helped to live another day and not give up. Some really bad stories of death of despair too I won;t share on here. Anyway, she fell on her face at one of his retreat centers he owned by the Ranch where all the Blues used to run around. I would be reminded at my dd practices back then of how he treated my mother so poorly and actually blamed her for tripping on one of those old Spanish walk ways that had no lights back then. After her deposition, he realized he made mistake and took care of her the right way as he should have. I'm good with all the top Revs and Docs making a few bucks but share a the loot too.

I am sorry @dad4 for accusing you of saying things more petty and pathetic than @Ellejustus. I obviously was not thinking clearly.

 

[Ellejustus]

I am sorry @dad4 for accusing you of saying things more petty and pathetic than @Ellejustus. I obviously was not thinking clearly.

Listen Darrell, I've just about had enough of you and all the others who have hurt my little old feelings about, you know..... Anyway, Slammers is the clear winner with two ECNL clubs. Did you hear that? Two, not one, but two. Blues won because they got paid for three years. Good for them too. Surf did well too and good for them. We all played the game and were all still standing. Let's stay positive.