I appreciate you finally somewhat supporting what I have been screaming about for three years....lol!!! It was used as a carrot and little girls with dreams got caught in the middle and that was wrong.
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Never said otherwise, just said your experience wasn’t the same as most.
I was so naive I thought De Anza Force was the only top team in Norcal.....lol!! That was 2017 and how would I know what the soccer scene in Norcal was all about. So when I would brag about my dd old team beating those 6 YNT EQ players and their team and UCLA commits, I was sincere. The MLVA crowd came on here with video proof that they were better than Surf and they beat the Force all the time and they got zero for The List. It is what it is and I say who really gives a care anymore. Now I, just like Guru and I will pay for 20 minute halves in Ocenaside just so my dd can play again. I will stay home too. I will do just about anything to see my rocket play again. I dont care about the list and I really never did. I was just messying around 90% of the time and I saw all this three years ago. It was clear to me the kind of political game that needed to be played and I dont play that way with sports and I got out. I didn;t like the either or that was forced down her throat. Some clubs like Crossfire saw it too and they got out.
Yes! Absolutely discriminatory. USSF minced no words when they stated that they would pretty much only look at the DA players for these call ups. That was their f-ing pitch and bargaining chip against ECNL. They left off players from ECNL teams on purpose! I can't believe this discussion is happening again. It's not a knock on players that got selected, but it is a complete knock on the selection process being tainted by the dumb ass USSF running the DA.
I’m not questioning that US Soccer favored GDA players overall, just the weak sauce b.s. nonsense about how he’s not “doubting” the quakes players specifically deserved to play on the YNT, when it is clear that is exactly what he is doing. It seems to be a particular gift of NorCal people to rip on kids and refuse to accept responsibility for what they’re doing.
That is not how I took it and not sure why you are unless you are somehow directly effected by it. We're talking about two known quantities here (MVLA and Quakes). It's again not a knock on the kids, but the process isn't fair and as such there were deserving kids that didn't get called up because of this pissing match. If it was fair, this wouldn't even be up for discussion because no doubt there would be at least 1-2 MVLA kids on the roster.
I am also not questioning your lack of reading comprehension.
It's all pretty much politics by coaches, top to bottom. There are probably at least a dozen players across the country who could fill the spot of a YNT player. It's the way it has always been and the way it always will be.
I do not disagree.
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You are full of shit. My point was that there was discrimination, as evidenced by the lopsided number of players being called up to YNT camps, and that it could have easily been 3-3 or 4-2 instead of 6-0. Nobody is bashing the players, I was making a point that the YNT call-ups were based more on which club you played for than merit. Now we have an even playing field, so now these call-ups will be based solely on merit and not which league you play in.
Uh huh. Sure.
Soccerfan2
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U15 was 2 MVLA / 2 Quakes at the last camp.
Despite all kinds of people’s arguments to the contrary, my view is the bias happened when players were equivalent. Two similar players and the decision could go either way? Pick the DA kid. Now there is no DA so there won’t be that bias. There will still be the factor of how easily visible players are to scouts, and coach and club relationships will still influence decision making. I don’t think the tendency to see clusters of kids from clubs and geographical areas that are known hot spots will change. Most importantly there will always be more capable kids than spots. Why not focus one’s energy on being a clear, unambiguous standout vs looking in haystacks for evidence of possible discrimination?
shales1002
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The bias occurred based on the league SOLELY. It had nothing to do with equity. Hopefully they toss those best if GDA lists. If those players are deserving now that the field seems to be level , then so be it. Honestly , I know too many players that got the “We have to defer to our GDA players because they play in our league.“
As for discrimination, it did occur. Perhaps with the league gone, the best of the best will represent our country.
I know many players who went to the YNT (U17 and U16) camps and quite a few of them were noticed when they played on ECNL or SCDSL teams when they were younger, then when the players decided to switch to DA they continued to be called to camp. So, how many of the YNT players were originally invited while on their old team or ECNL teams. I don’t think you can count those DA players under your “discrimination“ logic. Those players were already noticed prior to the DA.
youthsportsugh
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It is also difficult at this point for new girls to "break" into the known commodities of players and clubs. With 9 gazillion girls playing soccer and developing at different rates known clubs and players are easier to draw from. In NorCal for ODP back when it was something there were 160+ girls trying out and 30-40 get picked after 6 sessions. Catch the coaches eye 1 time during 1 session and boom you advance. Then each year after that the coaches know who you are and you become more entrenched. Depending on the age group there are known commodities in existence that will be difficult to move out.
shales1002
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Because of GDA’s failure, there will be some new additions.
Soccerfan2
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Most of these kids were in NTC together for 4 years, before DA even existed, and were evaluated against each other over and over. The obvious ones got called in, ECNL players included. There are a number of players in the next tier down that are very close to each other and those in DA got preference there. The bias is not as big as people think, and that YNT funnel narrows very quickly.
DA started when my kid was 14. NTC started when my kid was 12 and she was recruited by the headmaster of the one starting in San Diego 2018, not 4 years ago. Plus, those training centers were a joke and breading grown to steal players from other non gda clubs. I wouldn;t go there with me today. How did one get evaluated? JH ran one and so did Dr Mark in San Diego. Please share how players were truly evaluated at these centers? I don;t want to bring up my dd experience with a certain Doc again, ok. Please, that is BS for sure and no need to bring up the past. in 2017, Socal had like 7 picks I think. 6 of the 7 were on a non gda club the year before and then found a home at a GDA club. That means 6 clubs lost 6 NTP all because some Docs had power with the picks.
This boils down to saying “yes, we discriminated, but it was mild discrimination.”
Sorry. Adults thought it was ok to discriminate against a kid, as a tool in an argument with other adults. That is not ok.
And, if those same adults are still on charge, why should I not assume they will continue to play the same games?
The players picked in Sept 2017 in socal was legit, minus my kids name....lol.....The league started the next day and the new way was put in place and here we are today.
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