Some data on Covid-19 and why we're not over reacting...

espola said:
It's a good indication of your political stance that you consider politifact to be "left-leaning".
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what gave that away? Maybe the fact that Biden straight up lied but politifact still says "mostly False"

Plus, for most of the sheep that just read titles, the title looks like the fact that he made a false claim was "mostly false". You have to actually read the article to see that biden lied.
 
MSK357 said:
1. Your wife is a smart woman
2. WHO never offered the U.S. test kits to reject.

Even left leaning Politifact says that claim is false.

khn.org

Biden Falsely Blames Trump Administration For Rejecting WHO Coronavirus Test Kits (That Were Never Offered) - KFF Health News

Biden’s statement leaves out context about how countries decided on which test they’d use to identify the presence of the coronavirus.
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That's right and we didn't ask for them and we failed...while our lying president told us we had "shut it down" here.
Own it. Trump quotes about this will be a staple of Biden campaign ads.

On January 17, WHO published a protocol from German researchers with the instructions necessary for any country to manufacture coronavirus tests.

Coronavirus now in all 50 states as death toll passes 100

That same day, a top US health official said that the CDC had developed an early version of its own test -- not relying on any protocols published by the WHO.

"We actually do have laboratory diagnostics here at CDC that are stood up," said Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases.
 
MSK357 said:
yes, I did, Trump rejecting Test kits is straight up false. No matter how you or politifact want to spin it.
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Stop shading the truth. WHO had the testing protocols (you mentioned Germany before as a success case) and the US administration rejected them. We didn't discuss it with them at all.
 
messy said:
That's right and we didn't ask for them and we failed...while our lying president told us we had "shut it down" here.
Own it. Trump quotes about this will be a staple of Biden campaign ads.

On January 17, WHO published a protocol from German researchers with the instructions necessary for any country to manufacture coronavirus tests.

Coronavirus now in all 50 states as death toll passes 100

That same day, a top US health official said that the CDC had developed an early version of its own test -- not relying on any protocols published by the WHO.

"We actually do have laboratory diagnostics here at CDC that are stood up," said Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases.
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so....can you stop lying and say we rejected them? like you wrote CDC had its own test at the time. the articles says the test kits that WHO makes go to 3rd world countries that cant develop them on their own. is it trump's fault CDC made faulty tests? Dr. Fauci says no.
 
messy said:
Stop shading the truth. WHO had the testing protocols (you mentioned Germany before as a success case) and the US administration rejected them. We didn't discuss it with them at all.
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WHO offered a test protocol (for free! - it's mostly just a list of procedures and ingredients), and we already had the capability to reproduce it, so we could have produced WHO-style test kits right away. CDC said no, we can do better. Then, after a delay, the first-cut CDC tests were found to be faulty in the field. If we had gone along with the WHO protocol in the first place we could have saved a few days at a time when days make a noticeable difference.
 
MSK357 said:
so....can you stop lying and say we rejected them? like you wrote CDC had its own test at the time. the articles says the test kits that WHO makes go to 3rd world countries that cant develop them on their own. is it trump's fault CDC made faulty tests? Dr. Fauci says no.
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We did reject the WHO protocols. See above. Said we had our own. There was no urgency because the boss told us it wasn't a problem.
This is America. We need better leadership.
 
espola said:
WHO offered a test protocol (for free! - it's mostly just a list of procedures and ingredients), and we already had the capability to reproduce it, so we could have produced WHO-style test kits right away. CDC said no, we can do better. Then, after a delay, the first-cut CDC tests were found to be faulty in the field. If we had gone along with the WHO protocol in the first place we could have saved a few days at a time when days make a noticeable difference.
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jeez. you guys really want to reach. CDC made the decision.

"The U.S. chose to use its own test, rather than the one circulated by WHO. Other nations, such as China, Japan and France, also developed their own tests. Multiple public health experts said that is not unusual."

1st world countries have the technology and ability to use their own and routinely choose their own. Maybe its a trust thing. Test kits from WHO go to countries that don't have the technology or ability to make them. Feel free to blame trump for every little thing though. He also made you hit every red light on your way to get toilet paper also.
 
MSK357 said:
jeez. you guys really want to reach. CDC made the decision.

"The U.S. chose to use its own test, rather than the one circulated by WHO. Other nations, such as China, Japan and France, also developed their own tests. Multiple public health experts said that is not unusual."

1st world countries have the technology and ability to use their own and routinely choose their own. Maybe its a trust thing. Test kits from WHO go to countries that don't have the technology or ability to make them. Feel free to blame trump for every little thing though. He also made you hit every red light on your way to get toilet paper also.
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You seem to be getting defensive about things over which you have no control.
 
messy said:
South Korea and Germany had massive testing done from the jump...which made a huge difference in knowing who to isolate, etc.
Trump REJECTED the WHO's offer of test kits. Instead, he told us we don't have a problem here.
Now, our whole life is screwed because, as you point out and I see the same stats, we don't want to sacrifice our elderly.
Whether the "sheep" are right about exponential growth and death coming, or the idiots are right that it's media-driven hysteria, has yet to be seen.
My wife pretty much agrees with you. She's an idiot.
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Its sad that I have to point this out, but you lied here or were ignorant of the truth. This has been proven false. and now you want to spin it and say WHO offered protocols instead of test kits, when 1st world countries typically create their own. Stay home, you're drunk.
 
espola said:
You seem to be getting defensive about things over which you have no control.
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Not at all, just pointing out how you and Messy believed WHO offered U.S. Test kits, and after I prove you wrong, theres just another excuse. Lets be honest though, we both want you to be wrong. and as time passes, its looking more and more like you are wrong about how deadly this virus is.
 
MSK357 said:
Not at all, just pointing out how you and Messy believed WHO offered U.S. Test kits, and after I prove you wrong, theres just another excuse. Lets be honest though, we both want you to be wrong. and as time passes, its looking more and more like you are wrong about how deadly this virus is.
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I did? Show me.
 
espola said:
They gave their reasons why. Didn't you read the whole thing?
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do you disagree that biden lied when he said WHO offered test kits? If the answer is no, then theres no room to talk. im not going to go through all your posts, but i remember you did say trump dragged his feet with tests, then more recently admitted that it was CDC was the deciding factor of using their own tests that turned out to be faulty. so you can ignore your lies or misinformation, I say ignorance, but the fact is CDC made that decision on making their own tests, WHO never offered test kits, trump was not at fault according to Dr. Fauci, and this is no where near dangerous as you thought.
 
The hits just keep on coming --

“It’s not a concern,” Spell said of the virus. “The virus, we believe, is politically motivated. We hold our religious rights dear and we are going to assemble no matter what someone says.”

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Baton Rouge area pastor defies governor, welcomes large gathering into church service

The pastor of a Louisiana church who says he believes the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) is “politically motivated” defied government orders and welcomed hundreds of people into his church service Tuesday evening (March 17).
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Who still thinks this will be worse than the 2009 swine flu where we kept schools open even though 80% of people infected were under 65 and over 12,000 died in the U.S.?
 
MSK357 said:
do you disagree that biden lied when he said WHO offered test kits? If the answer is no, then theres no room to talk. im not going to go through all your posts, but i remember you did say trump dragged his feet with tests, then more recently admitted that it was CDC was the deciding factor of using their own tests that turned out to be faulty. so you can ignore your lies or misinformation, I say ignorance, but the fact is CDC made that decision on making their own tests, WHO never offered test kits, trump was not at fault according to Dr. Fauci, and this is no where near dangerous as you thought.
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That's your best shot at "you and Messy believed WHO offered U.S. Test kits"?
 
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