GunScare @ Albion Cup?

[Stryprod]

How about the teen that started this mess, the teenager for punching the Albion player. He definitely needs some punishment no?

Absolutely. It's a tangled mess with some more culpable than others, e.g., teenager, "gun" dad, but there is plenty of blame to go around.

Both team's spectators, pre-melee, were acting in a disgusting and unsportsmanlike manner towards each other and game officials.
The coach that received a yellow for dissent/yelling was a poor role model and contributed to elevating the temperature of the game.
The player who started the pushing acted in a severely unsportsmanlike manner.

We were/are one step away from carnage. It's time to put the hammer down and stop this madness.

 

[greekgirl]

When I got to work this morning there was a company-wide email that we are having active shooter training over the next few months. I work in the medical device industry. I think this is very telling, times are changing.

 

[professor2020]

I agree with what your saying

We should blame the club that focus on winning only. it was bad blood between the 2 teams already . Aztecs and chula vista clubs are blaming albion for steeling their players. we need to focus on development and cal south should implement Zip code rule and force the clubs and the coaches to get educated to how to develop the kids . we are teachers not coaches .coaches coach college and pro leagues. it is a shame what is happening to youth soccer . winning is more important than developing .we value the coaches by how many games they won not by how many players they develop . Please parents enjoy the journey and have fun with your kids. Yesterday my kids were young and playing around the house ; today they in college playing sports but you always feel that you did not spend enough time with them.

 

[espola]

 

[timbuck]

Wow. That news clip.
lots of video of what happened.
But the fact that they mentioned the score of the game- is that really important?
And the fact that the club has tryouts the next day?
I think if our team ran scrambling from a threat of gunfire, we might take a few days off.

 

[watfly]

Wow. That news clip.
lots of video of what happened.
But the fact that they mentioned the score of the game- is that really important?
And the fact that the club has tryouts the next day?
I think if our team ran scrambling from a threat of gunfire, we might take a few days off.

Albion is in damage control mode and placing the sole blame on the kid that ran on the field ( based on comments from NG and ZK). Great job on playing the victim card, despite reports that Albion parents participated in the melee. So many points in this whole situation that an adult(s) could have done the right thing. Its not too late now, but unfortunately its likely to be just swept under the rug. Player safety is a myth in youth soccer, as is adult accountability across the board from Clubs, Docs, Coaches, Parents and Refs.

 

[Stryprod]

Excellent video and shows referee was attempting to manage the situation - good job ref!

I want to really highlight is the following:
Action was near the goal on the right side of the field (looking from spectators towards coaches) and can be seen in the video
Man with "gun" is on left side of field AWAY from action and any immediate threat of harm. Hard and faint to see, but look at 1:21-1:23 and you can see him.

Important Questions to Ask:
Which side of the field were the Azteca fans, and which were the Albion?
Why was this guy on the left side?
Why are there spectators near this guy on the left side of the field that seem to be in the video with the Albion coach?

Still some fog.

 

[younothat]

Fight, Gun Scare at Soccer Match Lead to Panic

A soccer match in Temecula that devolved into a brawl led to mass panic after someone said they had a gun. Tony Shin reported on NBC4 News at 5 p.m. on Monday, Jan. 13, 2020.

www.nbclosangeles.com

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Wow. That news clip.
lots of video of what happened.
But the fact that they mentioned the score of the game- is that really important?
And the fact that the club has tryouts the next day?
I think if our team ran scrambling from a threat of gunfire, we might take a few days off.

The whole mess is a microcosm of what's wrong in today youth sports business.

Way too much vesting in a kids game by parents, siblings, coaches, etc. There is always people mad, unhappy about something and they have to shout, scream, and argue about the smallest things sometimes.

This was a case of snowball that created a avalanche without any order or people managing the situation rationally. There are standards, code of conducts, procedures, etc to follow but very few people are really doing due diligence about them so you get mayhem like what never should have snowballed like it did. Field Marshall's should have been taking care of this or something.

Parents & families on both the teams in question should really get some counseling & appropriate conduct training before they attend any future events. So goes for the Coaches and others involved, complete a reeducation course or something like what is done for traffic violations/ traffic school, get cleared before they allowed to participate again.

 

[met61]

The result of the fight at the tournament was a direct result of Parents and Siblings "POLICING THEMSELVES"

It happens too often in soccer now , Im around a lot of games tournaments and showcases and let me say , there is little to no respect for officials or coaches, so if some person that just joins this forums hours after this melee happens and says that we need to police ourselves and take matters into out own hands, I disagree with his statement , thats the direct cause of the problem . You have to respect the system in place.

Coaches are there to mentor players and refs are there to officiate as best as they can.

Parents are there to cheer for their little debbie and danny and that's its..

Its embarrassing when I hear parents moan, yell and shout at other players either on their team or on the opposing team.
All that tension just builds....then they get into the ref and all hell breaks loose cause some parent is screaming offsides from 100ft away , really??!! Its a fire that burns and parents feed it and feed it....till that stop and people stop thinking their above the law, this problems will never get solved. If someone filmed girls high school parents they'd make serious money its the new dance moms.....and trust me the right people are taking notes on certain parent behaviors. So many parents ruin it for their kids...

Its the worse at the age between 7-12 cause everyone DD/BB is a star.
and I feel great BTW.

Rather than labeling someone a "dummy"...this is more civil and classier response to an opinion and experience that differs from your own. Thanks.

 

[BIGD]

Albion is in damage control mode and placing the sole blame on the kid that ran on the field ( based on comments from NG and ZK). Great job on playing the victim card, despite reports that Albion parents participated in the melee. So many points in this whole situation that an adult(s) could have done the right thing. Its not too late now, but unfortunately its likely to be just swept under the rug. Player safety is a myth in youth soccer, as is adult accountability across the board from Clubs, Docs, Coaches, Parents and Refs.

So the power to force change lies with parents and referees. Youth soccer needs both to exist. What are we prepared to do about this beyond griping on a forum? Let's be real with ourselves; if we think this was totally unacceptable and our players safety is really at risk, why are we not willing to remove our children from the environment? Which families are willing to back of out State Cup? Take a break from club soccer? What are the referee associations willing to do; they take the brunt of the toxic parent culture. Are they willing to strike until Cal South hands out consequences for this weekend and in the future?

 

[watfly]

So the power to force change lies with parents and referees. Youth soccer needs both to exist. What are we prepared to do about this beyond griping on a forum? Let's be real with ourselves; if we think this was totally unacceptable and our players safety is really at risk, why are we not willing to remove our children from the environment? Which families are willing to back of out State Cup? Take a break from club soccer? What are the referee associations willing to do; they take the brunt of the toxic parent culture. Are they willing to strike until Cal South hands out consequences for this weekend and in the future?

I do more than gripe.

I went directly to the board of a club to address a toxic situation with the support of parents on the team. At the end of the day, a few families were willing to reveal their identities and confirm my reports. Unfortunately, the bulk of the families backed out for the fear of repercussions from the club. Despite well documented evidence of abusive behavior, nothing was done by the club. We left the club and couldn't be happier. That's what our family has done. Every family has to make the decision that's best for them and find the situation they're comfortable with. However, I know a lot of parents will accept a lot of misbehavior to play on the top or winning team. Unfortunately, for every family that's willing to take a stand there's 10 families that are willing to play the "game".

 

[way up]

We should blame the club that focus on winning only. it was bad blood between the 2 teams already . Aztecs and chula vista clubs are blaming albion for steeling their players. we need to focus on development and cal south should implement Zip code rule and force the clubs and the coaches to get educated to how to develop the kids . we are teachers not coaches .coaches coach college and pro leagues. it is a shame what is happening to youth soccer . winning is more important than developing .we value the coaches by how many games they won not by how many players they develop . Please parents enjoy the journey and have fun with your kids. Yesterday my kids were young and playing around the house ; today they in college playing sports but you always feel that you did not spend enough time with them.

I so disagree with this! You can aim and work to win without resorting to this crap. Please don't associate great competition and desire to win with poor sportsmanship, juvenile behavior, and violence. If anything, those who really desire to win and perform well should cherish rivalry and hard challenge from great teams. Thats what brings out the best in players and teams. Hard, great competition is a beautiful, amazing thing and has nothing to do with this poor behavior!! We keep score for a reason and kids need to be brought up to keep it on the field of competition. There is a lot of emotion in sports and competition. Again, in high school, home and away fans are separated.

Score is kept for a reason. There are tryouts for a reason. There are brackets and divisions inside tournaments for a reason. Don't conflate bad behavior from some with great competition and desire to win. It's very unfair!

 

[Bri’s-DAD]

So the power to force change lies with parents and referees. Youth soccer needs both to exist. What are we prepared to do about this beyond griping on a forum? Let's be real with ourselves; if we think this was totally unacceptable and our players safety is really at risk, why are we not willing to remove our children from the environment? Which families are willing to back of out State Cup? Take a break from club soccer? What are the referee associations willing to do; they take the brunt of the toxic parent culture. Are they willing to strike until Cal South hands out consequences for this weekend and in the future?

Agreed but there’s to many moving parts to get solidarity out of parents.

 

[BIGD]

I do more than gripe.

I went directly to the board of a club to address a toxic situation with the support of parents on the team. At the end of the day, a few families were willing to reveal their identities and confirm my reports. Unfortunately, the bulk of the families backed out for the fear of repercussions from the club. Despite well documented evidence of abusive behavior, nothing was done by the club. We left the club and couldn't be happier. That's what our family has done. Every family has to make the decision that's best for them and find the situation they're comfortable with. However, I know a lot of parents will accept a lot of misbehavior to play on the top or winning team. Unfortunately, for every family that's willing to take a stand there's 10 families that are willing to play the "game".

Leaving a club or a coach is definitely doing something in a specific situation but I was referencing this recent incident and the entire youth soccer system that's being complained about on this thread. Although I replied to your comment about the youth system and player safety, I was not directing that question at you.

 

[Emma]

Agreed but there’s to many moving parts to get solidarity out of parents.

If we're going to unite as soccer parents for our kids, this incident should push us to do it. Hopefully everyone is contacting their DOC and Cal South to inquire about this matter. Give Cal South, Albion and Azteca a chance to do the right things regarding this matter. If it's inadequate, we should unite as parents to send a clear message that these sideline behaviors should not be tolerated and handled appropriately. I'm a fan of Cal South, but would unite behind this to make the youth soccer environment a safer place for our kids and future soccer players. Albion and Azteca should ban both team's parents from the sidelines for a year. Cal South should make it a mandatory rule going forward.

If Albion and Azteca choose to ignore the impact their sidelines' behavior affected all the children at Galway Downs, parents of both Clubs need to contact DOC and start speaking with their wallet. Move them to a different Club. There are plenty of great clubs in Southern California. If you choose to stay with Albion or Azteca, then you're a coward and we'll know that based on what your child is wearing and what sideline you sit on.

If CalSouth decides not to mandate serious penalties, then we need to remove our teams from CalSouth until they are willing to prioritize our children's safety. Any team choosing to stay in CalSouth would be accepting that their children can and will be subject to this type of harm.

As I am a fan generally a fan of these Clubs and CalSouth, I believe these Clubs and CalSouth will understand the severe harm caused to families and young children from this incident and remedy it. (Although Ziggy's comments didn't bring much confidence since he didn't address how discipline will be dealt out to his sideline, but I'm sure they are continuing to discuss this matter) Everyone who saw those videos can see the mass fear erupted by unnecessary actions of the sidelines. One spectator could have been controlled but an eruption of both sidelines created the mass fear.

 

[timbuck]

Does anyone know if any of the people involved in the fight spent any time at the “Silverlakes Field House”?
I like a drink as much as anybody. But I don’t think a bar belongs at a youth soccer complex.

 

[forksnbolts]

Where is Team Azteca located in California? Or are they from Tijuana?

Based out of Walnut.

 

[ItsJustSoccer]

Albion. Do better and take some responsibility. Yes the kid who ran onto the field started it and yes he should face consequences, but please take ownership that your parents were just as eager to run onto the field as the other team.

There was more talk about tryouts in this clip than there was about mayhem that ensued this weekend.

Please. Do better. And Cal South...take note.

 

[Bri’s-DAD]

I so disagree with this! You can aim and work to win without resorting to this crap. Please don't associate great competition and desire to win with poor sportsmanship, juvenile behavior, and violence. If anything, those who really desire to win and perform well should cherish rivalry and hard challenge from great teams. Thats what brings out the best in players and teams. Hard, great competition is a beautiful, amazing thing and has nothing to do with this poor behavior!! We keep score for a reason and kids need to be brought up to keep it on the field of competition. There is a lot of emotion in sports and competition. Again, in high school, home and away fans are separated.

Score is kept for a reason. There are tryouts for a reason. There are brackets and divisions inside tournaments for a reason. Don't conflate bad behavior from some with great competition and desire to win. It's very unfair!

Children are a direct reflection of their parents. If they lack sportsmanship, it’s because of their parents. If they’re respectful and good citizens, it’s because of their parents... The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.
Some parents never taught their kids how to compete! They grew up in the “everyone gets a trophy” era. Lol

 

[oh canada]

Someone find the bracket that this Azteca team is going to play in for State Cup (assuming they are) and post a link, then let's be patient and see what punishment, if any is handed down by CalSouth. Hopefully, they are DQ'd from the tournament.

The more I learn/hear, the less culpable I think Albion South is in this ordeal. Anyone on this board saying that if their 10 year old son or daughter was sucker punched from someone who ran onto the field from the sideline, and would just keep their a** in their Costco folding chair and patiently watch from afar is not being truthful. Maybe Jane Fonda would because she's the pacifists' pacifist, but I'd lay good money down that 9 out of 10 Dad's/Mom's would do just as you see adults doing in this latest video. I didn't see any parents swinging, throwing punches or doing anything other than trying to grab and stop the nonsense. Maybe other video footage shows otherwise? But under the circumstance, I don't have a problem with parents running onto the field after the sucker-punch.

Agree with other posters saying this could have happened at any tournament---Surf, Galaxy, Legends, Blues etc.---we've all seen similar sideline conduct at all these tournaments. But, if things end after adults come out on the field and calm things down, nobody hears anything about it because it's become commonplace in youth soccer. BUT then you get the ultimate moron pretending he has a gun subsequently and chaos ensues. I don't buy the self-defense argument he has supposedly made--haven't yet seen one video or photo of him in a vulnerable position. Was "gun" guy wearing a Surf hoodie?

Last, it would be the responsibility of the refs to calm down the sideline EARLY if too much chatter. I've seen plenty toss parents or threaten a forfeit for their team if they didn't leave the sideline. They can't let chirping snowball into constant yelling, or worse running onto the field. Not sure what happened here. But nipping in the bud is always a good strategy.

 

[ItsJustSoccer]

Here is the Boys 09 Presidents Cup schedule:

Cal South Soccer - View Schedule

cysa.affinitysoccer.com

Someone find the bracket that this Azteca team is going to play in for State Cup (assuming they are) and post a link, then let's be patient and see what punishment, if any is handed down by CalSouth. Hopefully, they are DQ'd from the tournament.

The more I learn/hear, the less culpable I think Albion South is in this ordeal. Anyone on this board saying that if their 10 year old son or daughter was sucker punched from someone who ran onto the field from the sideline, and would just keep their a** in their Costco folding chair and patiently watch from afar is not being truthful. Maybe Jane Fonda would because she's the pacifists' pacifist, but I'd lay good money down that 9 out of 10 Dad's/Mom's would do just as you see adults doing in this latest video. I didn't see any parents swinging, throwing punches or doing anything other than trying to grab and stop the nonsense. Maybe other video footage shows otherwise? But under the circumstance, I don't have a problem with parents running onto the field after the sucker-punch.

Agree with other posters saying this could have happened at any tournament---Surf, Galaxy, Legends, Blues etc.---we've all seen similar sideline conduct at all these tournaments. But, if things end after adults come out on the field and calm things down, nobody hears anything about it because it's become commonplace in youth soccer. BUT then you get the ultimate moron pretending he has a gun subsequently and chaos ensues. I don't buy the self-defense argument he has supposedly made--haven't yet seen one video or photo of him in a vulnerable position. Was "gun" guy wearing a Surf hoodie?

Last, it would be the responsibility of the refs to calm down the sideline EARLY if too much chatter. I've seen plenty toss parents or threaten a forfeit for their team if they didn't leave the sideline. They can't let chirping snowball into constant yelling, or worse running onto the field. Not sure what happened here. But nipping in the bud is always a good strategy.