Re-entry

I firmly believe from my years of experience with three kids playing various levels of club soccer that the no re-entry rule (combined with a mandatory % start rule) results in more playing time for the marginal kids on a team. When they play, they get substantial minutes because the coach can't just sub them out right away. On the vast majority of teams that I have seen play without this rule the end of the bench is lucky to get a few minutes a half.
 
Simisoccerfan said:
I firmly believe from my years of experience with three kids playing various levels of club soccer that the no re-entry rule (combined with a mandatory % start rule) results in more playing time for the marginal kids on a team. When they play, they get substantial minutes because the coach can't just sub them out right away. On the vast majority of teams that I have seen play without this rule the end of the bench is lucky to get a few minutes a half.
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I firmly believe that that is a bogus comparison.
 
espola said:
I firmly believe that that is a bogus comparison.
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Contrarian as always. There is always going to be players at the end of the bench on any team. The sad truth is that most coaches are motivated to win and are not interested in developing the end of the bench. They are motivated to keep their star players happy. The end of the bench is to keep the team financially viable. Maybe your kid was always a starter so you did not see it. The only leagues I have seen mandate play time is DA and AYSO. Though opposite ends of the spectrum both provide guarantees. In all other leagues I have seen the end of the bench be lucky to get scrub minutes even against lesser opponents. Maybe I have just had the bad luck of having and seeing a bunch of lousy coaches.
 
I know a player who traveled to matches and didnt play. Went to DA nationals and saw zero minutes. I have always be taught to make sure kids play in all situations including pressure game enders because you never know who you may need to step up when. Coaches all want to win but sometimes in league games you need to lose for the better good and development. The hard part about that is a loss is a loss and it falls to the replaceable coach
 
vegasguy said:
I know a player who traveled to matches and didnt play. Went to DA nationals and saw zero minutes. I have always be taught to make sure kids play in all situations including pressure game enders because you never know who you may need to step up when. Coaches all want to win but sometimes in league games you need to lose for the better good and development. The hard part about that is a loss is a loss and it falls to the replaceable coach
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Everyone signs a contract understand that your game time can fall anywhere from 0 to 90 minutes. The end bench players typically will get 20-30 a game.

This isn’t AYSO where everyone gets fair minutes. Hell, in flight 1 and 2 games kids don’t get fair minutes. That is inexcusable to me. That’s the development league. ECNL and DA play with higher “stakes” if you will.

Nobody should get free minutes. If you’re not inspired to work harder in training sessions with your team and on your own outside, you really should reevaluate the level your kid plays.

At DA and ENCL levels the kids who work hard know how doesn’t really earn their game time. And those kids don’t want to play at lower levels.

I’m sorry. A lot of these kids learn or should be learning about accountability. That’s as important as Anything at those levels.
 
Josep said:
Everyone signs a contract understand that your game time can fall anywhere from 0 to 90 minutes. The end bench players typically will get 20-30 a game.

This isn’t AYSO where everyone gets fair minutes. Hell, in flight 1 and 2 games kids don’t get fair minutes. That is inexcusable to me. That’s the development league. ECNL and DA play with higher “stakes” if you will.

Nobody should get free minutes. If you’re not inspired to work harder in training sessions with your team and on your own outside, you really should reevaluate the level your kid plays.

At DA and ENCL levels the kids who work hard know how doesn’t really earn their game time. And those kids don’t want to play at lower levels.

I’m sorry. A lot of these kids learn or should be learning about accountability. That’s as important as Anything at those levels.
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Nonsense.
 
But I thought ALL coaches in the DA are supposed to be highly certified and qualified. The only out-coaching that occurs is on the practice field, or when the subbing happens thru the flow of the game, right? Besides, we aren’t developing coaches, are we? Player 12-20 pretty much know where they stand, or they know pretty quickly out of the gate. Don’t like it, take accountability and work harder to improve it.
 
Kicknit22 said:
But I thought ALL coaches in the DA are supposed to be highly certified and qualified. The only out-coaching that occurs is on the practice field, or when the subbing happens thru the flow of the game, right? Besides, we aren’t developing coaches, are we? Player 12-20 pretty much know where they stand, or they know pretty quickly out of the gate. Don’t like it, take accountability and work harder to improve it.
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It's hard to tell which parts of that are intended to be sarcastice. Maybe we need a special sarcasm font, like italic only different.
 
But I thought ALL coaches in the DA are supposed to be highly certified and qualified. The only out-coaching that occurs is on the practice field, or when the subbing happens thru the flow of the game, right? Besides, we aren’t developing coaches, are we?
Player 12-20 pretty much know where they stand, or they know pretty quickly out of the gate. Don’t like it, take accountability and work harder to improve it.
 
Further thoughts -- some have claimed that the no-re-entry rule is valuable because it exposes players to what they will experience at the elite levels. With about 90 teams (looking at the older boys clubs here), there might be 2 to 4 players on a typical DA club roster of 20 or so who have any hope of being called up to National teams at any age. So let the team declare who those players are on the game roster - those few are limited to no re-entry, and the coach can do what he likes with the rest of the squad, including pulling them off for a short time for rest, possible injury analysis, or explanation of their errors as needed, without limits to their re-entry rights.
 
espola said:
Further thoughts -- some have claimed that the no-re-entry rule is valuable because it exposes players to what they will experience at the elite levels. With about 90 teams (looking at the older boys clubs here), there might be 2 to 4 players on a typical DA club roster of 20 or so who have any hope of being called up to National teams at any age. So let the team declare who those players are on the game roster - those few are limited to no re-entry, and the coach can do what he likes with the rest of the squad, including pulling them off for a short time for rest, possible injury analysis, or explanation of their errors as needed, without limits to their re-entry rights.
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If have thought something along similar lines. Let the "stars" be the ones who don't get pulled. Let the rest of the team get more game time experiences to develop.

After all virtually none on these teams are going to end up playing on the national team, but a large percentage will play in college. And to be honest most players/parents look at DA as a way to play college soccer.
 
Desert Hound said:
If have thought something along similar lines. Let the "stars" be the ones who don't get pulled. Let the rest of the team get more game time experiences to develop.

After all virtually none on these teams are going to end up playing on the national team, but a large percentage will play in college. And to be honest most players/parents look at DA as a way to play college soccer.
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Not only that, but throwing in waves of "lesser" players will be better training for the full-timers.

Then they will just have to deal with the parents who realize their kid is on the 1.5th team.
 
Desert Hound said:
If have thought something along similar lines. Let the "stars" be the ones who don't get pulled. Let the rest of the team get more game time experiences to develop.

After all virtually none on these teams are going to end up playing on the national team, but a large percentage will play in college. And to be honest most players/parents look at DA as a way to play college soccer.
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If most players/parents look at DA as a just a way to play college I respectfully submit that there’s a problem with their underachieving mentality. All players in DA should strive to make the NT too.
 
College players are allowed 1 re-entry per game. Unlimited amount of players can be subbed.

We really should be striving towards that for most players. Especially female.
 
timbuck said:
College players are allowed 1 re-entry per game. Unlimited amount of players can be subbed.

We really should be striving towards that for most players. Especially female.
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The last time I cared to check the rules, it is no re-entry in the first half, one re-entry in the second half and one re-entry in second overtime period (should one occur) and the slate is wiped clean at halftime and the beginning of overtime periods, so players who have come off can start the period as if they had been there all along.
 
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