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End of the Line said:
Not at all. Exodus 21:24.

Harris is a patriot who supports equality as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States. Hinkle, on the other hand, is a bigot who does not. The last time I checked, the Constitution is the law of the land, and the bible is a book from which too many people selectively pick and choose passages to rationalize inappropriate behavior and justify the continuing oppression of others. Harris, like Rosa Parks, is a hero who stands up for equality. Hinkle, like Bull Connor, is a bigot who rationalizes the continuing oppression of others using religion as an excuse. Certainly, Parks was a much greater hero when you put things in context, but it is much more fun living in an era when someone like Harris can stand up for herself and also publicly rub Hinkle's bigotry in her face without having to worry too much about being beaten to death.

If Hinkle doesn't like that that she's never going to play in the WC, she should consider moving to a repressive middle eastern country that shares her homophobic views, since she's presumably good enough to at least make most of those squads assuming she's as good as MAP says. Of course, she should avoid countries that require athletes wear hijabs since she would obviously be right back to square one.

I get it. It's hard growing up being constantly told you're entitled to preferential treatment over gay folk, only to have the U.S. Supreme Court tell you that you only get the same rights as everyone else. I can't imagine how difficult it must be for someone to spend their entire life pointing to the bible to justify being an a**hole, only to have that away.
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Why the Bible quote? And why do you have so much hate?
 
MakeAPlay said:
Nobody has anything against gay people. Who cares. I also don't agree with Hinkle's perspective and opinions regarding LGBTQ people. All that I care about is her soccer ability and to say that she isn't one of the best leftbacks in the world is disingenuous at best. I don't think that anybody should be discriminated against for their race, religion, sexual orientation, gender, socio-economic status, family, etc.
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To be inclusive, doesn't mean you have to accept everything that everyone on the team says. Tossing the word homophobic is a quick way to say that someone hates homosexuals. A true Christian, doesn't hate the person, merely the actions. Example, you don't have to hate a sinner, just don't approve of the sin. We are all sinners, so I don't think anyone has the right to discriminate. Yet Hinkle's choice to not want to wear a jersey that clearly supports a value that she doesn't agree with doesn't make her homophobic. If Rapinoe can chose to not to stand and not put her right hand over her heart and sing the national anthem. Why can't Hinkle simply play and not have to wear the rainbow jersey. What if a Muslim player had made the team, and asked for the same thing with her beliefs about not wearing the jersey. Would the same outrage be heard, and would her team mates be called Islamophobic.

Rodney King said it pretty well " Can't we all get along."
 
End of the Line said:
Not at all. Exodus 21:24.

Harris is a patriot who supports equality as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States. Hinkle, on the other hand, is a bigot who does not. The last time I checked, the Constitution is the law of the land, and the bible is a book from which too many people selectively pick and choose passages to rationalize inappropriate behavior and justify the continuing oppression of others. Harris, like Rosa Parks, is a hero who stands up for equality. Hinkle, like Bull Connor, is a bigot who rationalizes the continuing oppression of others using religion as an excuse. Certainly, Parks was a much greater hero when you put things in context, but it is much more fun living in an era when someone like Harris can stand up for herself and also publicly rub Hinkle's bigotry in her face without having to worry too much about being beaten to death.

If Hinkle doesn't like that that she's never going to play in the WC, she should consider moving to a repressive middle eastern country that shares her homophobic views, since she's presumably good enough to at least make most of those squads assuming she's as good as MAP says. Of course, she should avoid countries that require athletes wear hijabs since she would obviously be right back to square one.

I get it. It's hard growing up being constantly told you're entitled to preferential treatment over gay folk, only to have the U.S. Supreme Court tell you that you only get the same rights as everyone else. I can't imagine how difficult it must be for someone to spend their entire life pointing to the bible to justify being an a**hole, only to have that away.
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Did you know that the book of Exodus was written before the book of Genesis?
 
ChargerPride said:
To be inclusive, doesn't mean you have to accept everything that everyone on the team says. Tossing the word homophobic is a quick way to say that someone hates homosexuals. A true Christian, doesn't hate the person, merely the actions. Example, you don't have to hate a sinner, just don't approve of the sin. We are all sinners, so I don't think anyone has the right to discriminate. Yet Hinkle's choice to not want to wear a jersey that clearly supports a value that she doesn't agree with doesn't make her homophobic. If Rapinoe can chose to not to stand and not put her right hand over her heart and sing the national anthem. Why can't Hinkle simply play and not have to wear the rainbow jersey. What if a Muslim player had made the team, and asked for the same thing with her beliefs about not wearing the jersey. Would the same outrage be heard, and would her team mates be called Islamophobic.

Rodney King said it pretty well " Can't we all get along."
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I don't hate religious bigots. Actually, I love them with all my heart. I just hate their actions and therefore use the authority of my moral high ground to oppose their efforts to seek preferential treatment, just as they use what they think is religious high ground to oppose equality. Do you understand now how ludicrous the "hate the sin but not the sinner" argument is? It is just an excuse for religious bigots to feel better about themselves when they oppose the civil rights of others. If you oppose equality and civil rights for the LGBT community and repeatedly speak out about it, as Hinkle does, you are by definition homophobic. Religious bigots no longer get to frame the argument with their twisted logic without getting called out for it, as the patriot Ashlyn Harris made clear. If you're a true Christian and think it is wrong to marry someone of the same sex, don't. There is no legitimate reason to oppose someone else's constitutional right to do so. None.

I didn't bring up Hinkle, and I'll stop talking about her here just as soon as others stop falsely accusing Ellis and USSF of excluding her because of her religion. As soon as they stop falsely claiming that USSF is a public entity and therefore must allow homophobes like her to play even when they aren't good enough on the merits. If you want to move on, then follow your advice instead of trying to tell me you really love the people you are seeking to deprive of their civil rights. But as long as you want to keep talking about it, I'm here.
 
End of the Line said:
I don't hate religious bigots. Actually, I love them with all my heart. I just hate their actions and therefore use the authority of my moral high ground to oppose their efforts to seek preferential treatment, just as they use what they think is religious high ground to oppose equality. Do you understand now how ludicrous the "hate the sin but not the sinner" argument is? It is just an excuse for religious bigots to feel better about themselves when they oppose the civil rights of others. If you oppose equality and civil rights for the LGBT community and repeatedly speak out about it, as Hinkle does, you are by definition homophobic. Religious bigots no longer get to frame the argument with their twisted logic without getting called out for it, as the patriot Ashlyn Harris made clear. If you're a true Christian and think it is wrong to marry someone of the same sex, don't. There is no legitimate reason to oppose someone else's constitutional right to do so. None.

I didn't bring up Hinkle, and I'll stop talking about her here just as soon as others stop falsely accusing Ellis and USSF of excluding her because of her religion. As soon as they stop falsely claiming that USSF is a public entity and therefore must allow homophobes like her to play even when they aren't good enough on the merits. If you want to move on, then follow your advice instead of trying to tell me you really love the people you are seeking to deprive of their civil rights. But as long as you want to keep talking about it, I'm here.
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So what civil rights is Hinkle proposing the Lesbians on the USWNT team be denied?
 
End of the Line said:
I don't hate religious bigots. Actually, I love them with all my heart. I just hate their actions and therefore use the authority of my moral high ground to oppose their efforts to seek preferential treatment, just as they use what they think is religious high ground to oppose equality. Do you understand now how ludicrous the "hate the sin but not the sinner" argument is? It is just an excuse for religious bigots to feel better about themselves when they oppose the civil rights of others. If you oppose equality and civil rights for the LGBT community and repeatedly speak out about it, as Hinkle does, you are by definition homophobic. Religious bigots no longer get to frame the argument with their twisted logic without getting called out for it, as the patriot Ashlyn Harris made clear. If you're a true Christian and think it is wrong to marry someone of the same sex, don't. There is no legitimate reason to oppose someone else's constitutional right to do so. None.

I didn't bring up Hinkle, and I'll stop talking about her here just as soon as others stop falsely accusing Ellis and USSF of excluding her because of her religion. As soon as they stop falsely claiming that USSF is a public entity and therefore must allow homophobes like her to play even when they aren't good enough on the merits. If you want to move on, then follow your advice instead of trying to tell me you really love the people you are seeking to deprive of their civil rights. But as long as you want to keep talking about it, I'm here.
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Hate the sin, but not the sinner. If you think that is ludicrous, then you really don't understand it. You are focusing on one type of sin, example, let's say a family member commits a crime while under the influence. I don't think people will hate the family member, but we can say that we hate that they allowed the sin of being under the influence to cloud their judgement and commit another sin, the crime. The freedom of will allows all of us the choice on how we decide to live. Yet somehow, if the choice to not wear a jersey that empowers a lifestyle that one's faith says is not the right choice. Why is it that homophobic. You simply don't agree and choose not to support it. Kind of like if we lived in a nation that allowed us the freedom of speech. Its a choice, it's and opinion, it's a lifestyle. Where in all this has anyone's civil rights been trampled and denied. The real problem is that as soon as you don't agree with any LGBT stance, you automatically become the bigot, the oppressor, the homophobe. To say Hinkle's talent is not worthy of being on the team and somehow she managed to lose her spot on the team due to her lack of soccer talent. I think that is a shame. Like a said before, had a Muslim made the team, and ventured forth to make the same decision not to wear the rainbow jersey. Everyone would be called Islamophobic.
 
End of the Line said:
Not at all. Exodus 21:24.

Harris is a patriot who supports equality as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States. Hinkle, on the other hand, is a bigot who does not. The last time I checked, the Constitution is the law of the land, and the bible is a book from which too many people selectively pick and choose passages to rationalize inappropriate behavior and justify the continuing oppression of others. Harris, like Rosa Parks, is a hero who stands up for equality. Hinkle, like Bull Connor, is a bigot who rationalizes the continuing oppression of others using religion as an excuse. Certainly, Parks was a much greater hero when you put things in context, but it is much more fun living in an era when someone like Harris can stand up for herself and also publicly rub Hinkle's bigotry in her face without having to worry too much about being beaten to death.

If Hinkle doesn't like that that she's never going to play in the WC, she should consider moving to a repressive middle eastern country that shares her homophobic views, since she's presumably good enough to at least make most of those squads assuming she's as good as MAP says. Of course, she should avoid countries that require athletes wear hijabs since she would obviously be right back to square one.

I get it. It's hard growing up being constantly told you're entitled to preferential treatment over gay folk, only to have the U.S. Supreme Court tell you that you only get the same rights as everyone else. I can't imagine how difficult it must be for someone to spend their entire life pointing to the bible to justify being an a**hole, only to have that away.
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The most fundamental civil right is political freedom. That includes the political freedom to be, in your words, bigoted. It's why the ACLU fought on behalf of the Nationalist Socialist Party's right to march in Skokie (and won).

When did civil rights become limited to messages of equality? That's an extremely myopic view of civil rights. Civil rights are complex and often involve competing interests.

And just so we are clear, I'm an atheist that thinks Hinkle's views are reprehensible. But they are her personal views, which she seemed to have kept to herself until she was asked (similar to Kaepernick). As long as she did not use her position on the national team to promote her views, she should have been on the team if she was qualified. But then again, I don't think anyone should be using the privilege of national team selection to promote personal views - even those I agree with.
 
End of the Line said:
I don't hate religious bigots. Actually, I love them with all my heart. I just hate their actions and therefore use the authority of my moral high ground to oppose their efforts to seek preferential treatment, just as they use what they think is religious high ground to oppose equality. Do you understand now how ludicrous the "hate the sin but not the sinner" argument is? It is just an excuse for religious bigots to feel better about themselves when they oppose the civil rights of others. If you oppose equality and civil rights for the LGBT community and repeatedly speak out about it, as Hinkle does, you are by definition homophobic. Religious bigots no longer get to frame the argument with their twisted logic without getting called out for it, as the patriot Ashlyn Harris made clear. If you're a true Christian and think it is wrong to marry someone of the same sex, don't. There is no legitimate reason to oppose someone else's constitutional right to do so. None.

I didn't bring up Hinkle, and I'll stop talking about her here just as soon as others stop falsely accusing Ellis and USSF of excluding her because of her religion. As soon as they stop falsely claiming that USSF is a public entity and therefore must allow homophobes like her to play even when they aren't good enough on the merits. If you want to move on, then follow your advice instead of trying to tell me you really love the people you are seeking to deprive of their civil rights. But as long as you want to keep talking about it, I'm here.
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Why did they exclude her?
 
ChargerPride said:
Hate the sin, but not the sinner. If you think that is ludicrous, then you really don't understand it. You are focusing on one type of sin, example, let's say a family member commits a crime while under the influence. I don't think people will hate the family member, but we can say that we hate that they allowed the sin of being under the influence to cloud their judgement and commit another sin, the crime. The freedom of will allows all of us the choice on how we decide to live. Yet somehow, if the choice to not wear a jersey that empowers a lifestyle that one's faith says is not the right choice. Why is it that homophobic. You simply don't agree and choose not to support it. Kind of like if we lived in a nation that allowed us the freedom of speech. Its a choice, it's and opinion, it's a lifestyle. Where in all this has anyone's civil rights been trampled and denied. The real problem is that as soon as you don't agree with any LGBT stance, you automatically become the bigot, the oppressor, the homophobe. To say Hinkle's talent is not worthy of being on the team and somehow she managed to lose her spot on the team due to her lack of soccer talent. I think that is a shame. Like a said before, had a Muslim made the team, and ventured forth to make the same decision not to wear the rainbow jersey. Everyone would be called Islamophobic.
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They would never call a Muslim out, muslims throw gays off of buildings and I don’t remember the left saying much about it. Let’s ask Omar about gays.
 
In 2017 Hinkle's club manager North Carolina Courage head coach Paul Riley has been quoted as saying that Hinkle has "been the best left back in the league this year, of that there's absolutely no question." While Hinkle did pass up on playing those games in which player were scheduled to sport the rainbow numbers as the team was celebrating the LGBTQ pride month. That didn't mean she wasn't available to play the next available games. She simply wasn't called back to play and it's pointless to speculate as to all the reasons why. People have reason's to believe that she wasn't good enough, that her faith, which may have made it difficult to be accepted and might have affected the teams chemistry and so on and so forth. I believe Dunn did a great job as a left back. Would Hinkle been better as a natural left back. We will never know. The USWNT has been amazing to watch and can't wait to see how far they can maintain this level of championship play. I have always been a proponent of playing the best players. You tend to get the best results. Only time will tell.
 
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