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[tjsoccer]

@tjsoccer, I wish we could have a more nuanced discussion, but as you have seen with your own eyes on this thread, many still do not understand the issue, even when it is spelled out C-A-T. BTW you posted 4 times since 2016? Who is your other avatar ??

I got a bunch of posts on the norcal board. No other handle other than @tjsoccer.

I agree with you 100%. They have every right to renegotiate their contract. Why wouldn't they do it when they are in a position to show that they are generating increased revenues? I guess I'm just quarreling with their tactics. I believe they should de-certify like the NFLPA and go on strike.

That said, the EEOC is allowing the players to sue because they believe their case could have merit. I guess going the lawsuit route allows them to get paid while they negotiate...and keep their sponsors happy. If they can prove this is really about "the cause", then all is good. But if they can't, then they are just a group trying to profit off of Civil Rights legislation.

 

[MWN]

...USSF is a private entity that does a whole bunch of stuff, only one of which involves sending national teams to play in international competition. There is also nothing stopping USOC from telling LA Galaxy that it's unhappy with USSF and giving LA Galaxy the right to send national teams instead of USSF. Just ask USA Gymnastics what happens when USOC gets unhappy.

... BTW, do you and your buddies also oppose USA Track and Field's annual celebration of black history month? Would you be opposed if the US Chess Federation engaged in a "political" boycott of the world championships in Iran because the host country required that female Christian participants wear hijabs? In reality, support for civil rights is not politics. As I have said before, "politics" is just the word people use to make themselves feel better for opposing civil rights and equality. But when people like you and MWN advocate that government entities should get in the way of private entities supporting civil rights, well, that is politics.

@End of the Line ... there are a few impediments stopping the USOC from anointing the LA Galaxy the right to send a national team. The first is that the LA Galaxy is part of the MLS, which is a privately held, for profit entity with no charitable public purpose. This would violate the USOC's legal requirements under the Ted Stevens act that National Governing Bodies be charities. The second problem, is that the LA Galaxy team is technically an operating unit of the MLS, thus, the MLS would have to be given the right (assuming it changed its corporate purpose).

With regard to National Governing Bodies advocating for various social and charitable causes, be it black history month, breast cancer awareness, white pride, Hispanic pride, Asian pride, save the fairy shrimp, etc., I believe they should not. Its one thing to say ... all are welcome, discrimination based on melanin levels, sex, gender, etc., are not tolerated. Its an entirely different thing to say "we are going to single out this one issue, change our uniforms to recognize it, and advocate." Along with the freedom of speech, comes the freedom not to speak. The freedom to march and protest, and the freedom not to march and protest. National Teams and National Governing Bodies should establish rules that prevent violations of civil rights, but should not pick up the sign and go march.

My above opinion was reinforced as a result of an event that occurred when I was coaching my son's recreational team many years ago. It was the Fall season, he returned back to rec soccer from a bad club experience, I coached the team. The season was played in September and October. October was breast cancer awareness month. The program asked all the teams to wear pink socks. For years we went along with the whole pink socks thing ... be it pop warner or soccer, but this year was different. You see, the week of our opening game, one of my player's mother passed away from pancreatic cancer. What month is pancreatic cancer month? Hell if I knew, but what I did now is there are a whole host of cancers out there and each one has a color. If I recall, "purple" was the pancreatic color, so I informed the league that we would not be wearing pink ... we would wear purple socks.

About midway through October, it hit me that maybe instead of purple or pink or whatever color, we should just be wearing the color of socks for cancer itself ... whatever color that was. What made breast cancer so special over the other cancers. I had a player would mother died just a few weeks earlier and here are all these teams focusing on breast cancer and not the cancer that killed his mom.

The reason I don't want National Governing Bodies to take on political advocacy of issues is because for every issue there are others left out. If we are going to celebrate Gay Price and change the jersey's, do we also celebrate Heterosexual Pride?, African-American Pride, Irish-American Pride, Hispanic Pride, White Pride, etc. Its best the NGB's set policies of non-discrimination and put down the picket signs.

 

[espola]

@End of the Line ... there are a few impediments stopping the USOC from anointing the LA Galaxy the right to send a national team. The first is that the LA Galaxy is part of the MLS, which is a privately held, for profit entity with no charitable public purpose. This would violate the USOC's legal requirements under the Ted Stevens act that National Governing Bodies be charities. The second problem, is that the LA Galaxy team is technically an operating unit of the MLS, thus, the MLS would have to be given the right (assuming it changed its corporate purpose).

With regard to National Governing Bodies advocating for various social and charitable causes, be it black history month, breast cancer awareness, white pride, Hispanic pride, Asian pride, save the fairy shrimp, etc., I believe they should not. Its one thing to say ... all are welcome, discrimination based on melanin levels, sex, gender, etc., are not tolerated. Its an entirely different thing to say "we are going to single out this one issue, change our uniforms to recognize it, and advocate." Along with the freedom of speech, comes the freedom not to speak. The freedom to march and protest, and the freedom not to march and protest. National Teams and National Governing Bodies should establish rules that prevent violations of civil rights, but should not pick up the sign and go march.

My above opinion was reinforced as a result of an event that occurred when I was coaching my son's recreational team many years ago. It was the Fall season, he returned back to rec soccer from a bad club experience, I coached the team. The season was played in September and October. October was breast cancer awareness month. The program asked all the teams to wear pink socks. For years we went along with the whole pink socks thing ... be it pop warner or soccer, but this year was different. You see, the week of our opening game, one of my player's mother passed away from pancreatic cancer. What month is pancreatic cancer month? Hell if I knew, but what I did now is there are a whole host of cancers out there and each one has a color. If I recall, "purple" was the pancreatic color, so I informed the league that we would not be wearing pink ... we would wear purple socks.

About midway through October, it hit me that maybe instead of purple or pink or whatever color, we should just be wearing the color of socks for cancer itself ... whatever color that was. What made breast cancer so special over the other cancers. I had a player would mother died just a few weeks earlier and here are all these teams focusing on breast cancer and not the cancer that killed his mom.

The reason I don't want National Governing Bodies to take on political advocacy of issues is because for every issue there are others left out. If we are going to celebrate Gay Price and change the jersey's, do we also celebrate Heterosexual Pride?, African-American Pride, Irish-American Pride, Hispanic Pride, White Pride, etc. Its best the NGB's set policies of non-discrimination and put down the picket signs.

Do you need a tissue?

 

[MWN]

Do you need a tissue?

At the time, yes, it was very sad to see that this young man, age 10 or 11 was going to go through life without a mother. I attended her funeral and needed another one at the time.

Are you asking if I still need one? The answer is no. Why did you ask? Are you trying to be funny? Minimize the reason for why I believe a certain way?

 

[soccerobserver]

@End of the Line ... there are a few impediments stopping the USOC from anointing the LA Galaxy the right to send a national team. The first is that the LA Galaxy is part of the MLS, which is a privately held, for profit entity with no charitable public purpose. This would violate the USOC's legal requirements under the Ted Stevens act that National Governing Bodies be charities. The second problem, is that the LA Galaxy team is technically an operating unit of the MLS, thus, the MLS would have to be given the right (assuming it changed its corporate purpose).

With regard to National Governing Bodies advocating for various social and charitable causes, be it black history month, breast cancer awareness, white pride, Hispanic pride, Asian pride, save the fairy shrimp, etc., I believe they should not. Its one thing to say ... all are welcome, discrimination based on melanin levels, sex, gender, etc., are not tolerated. Its an entirely different thing to say "we are going to single out this one issue, change our uniforms to recognize it, and advocate." Along with the freedom of speech, comes the freedom not to speak. The freedom to march and protest, and the freedom not to march and protest. National Teams and National Governing Bodies should establish rules that prevent violations of civil rights, but should not pick up the sign and go march.

My above opinion was reinforced as a result of an event that occurred when I was coaching my son's recreational team many years ago. It was the Fall season, he returned back to rec soccer from a bad club experience, I coached the team. The season was played in September and October. October was breast cancer awareness month. The program asked all the teams to wear pink socks. For years we went along with the whole pink socks thing ... be it pop warner or soccer, but this year was different. You see, the week of our opening game, one of my player's mother passed away from pancreatic cancer. What month is pancreatic cancer month? Hell if I knew, but what I did now is there are a whole host of cancers out there and each one has a color. If I recall, "purple" was the pancreatic color, so I informed the league that we would not be wearing pink ... we would wear purple socks.

About midway through October, it hit me that maybe instead of purple or pink or whatever color, we should just be wearing the color of socks for cancer itself ... whatever color that was. What made breast cancer so special over the other cancers. I had a player would mother died just a few weeks earlier and here are all these teams focusing on breast cancer and not the cancer that killed his mom.

The reason I don't want National Governing Bodies to take on political advocacy of issues is because for every issue there are others left out. If we are going to celebrate Gay Price and change the jersey's, do we also celebrate Heterosexual Pride?, African-American Pride, Irish-American Pride, Hispanic Pride, White Pride, etc. Its best the NGB's set policies of non-discrimination and put down the picket signs.

@MWN I was at a soccer club board meeting and I tried to politely object to wearing the pink socks for the reason you stated. After the words came out of my mouth at the board meeting ...the reaction on their faces was as if I had let loose a terrible fart in church...

I’ll never do that again !

 

[Desert Hound]

Actually you should. Who cares what their reactions are. They are just virtue signaling after all. How about instead of for instance dressing up the kids in pink, if it is a dear issue to the parents, have the parents wear pink.

 

[Soccer43]

@MWN I was at a soccer club board meeting and I tried to politely object to wearing the pink socks for the reason you stated. After the words came out of my mouth at the board meeting ...the reaction on their faces was as if I had let loose a terrible fart in church...

I’ll never do that again !

And unfortunately a sign of hypocrisy regarding free speech and freedom of beliefs - as long as you believe and support what the standard view is you are accepted , if not you are criticized even if in a subtle way. There should never be a time when behaviors of bigotry and racism are tolerated but when it comes to different views like this no should feel silenced.

 

[End of the Line]

@End of the Line ... there are a few impediments stopping the USOC from anointing the LA Galaxy the right to send a national team. The first is that the LA Galaxy is part of the MLS, which is a privately held, for profit entity with no charitable public purpose. This would violate the USOC's legal requirements under the Ted Stevens act that National Governing Bodies be charities. The second problem, is that the LA Galaxy team is technically an operating unit of the MLS, thus, the MLS would have to be given the right (assuming it changed its corporate purpose).

With regard to National Governing Bodies advocating for various social and charitable causes, be it black history month, breast cancer awareness, white pride, Hispanic pride, Asian pride, save the fairy shrimp, etc., I believe they should not. Its one thing to say ... all are welcome, discrimination based on melanin levels, sex, gender, etc., are not tolerated. Its an entirely different thing to say "we are going to single out this one issue, change our uniforms to recognize it, and advocate." Along with the freedom of speech, comes the freedom not to speak. The freedom to march and protest, and the freedom not to march and protest. National Teams and National Governing Bodies should establish rules that prevent violations of civil rights, but should not pick up the sign and go march.

My above opinion was reinforced as a result of an event that occurred when I was coaching my son's recreational team many years ago. It was the Fall season, he returned back to rec soccer from a bad club experience, I coached the team. The season was played in September and October. October was breast cancer awareness month. The program asked all the teams to wear pink socks. For years we went along with the whole pink socks thing ... be it pop warner or soccer, but this year was different. You see, the week of our opening game, one of my player's mother passed away from pancreatic cancer. What month is pancreatic cancer month? Hell if I knew, but what I did now is there are a whole host of cancers out there and each one has a color. If I recall, "purple" was the pancreatic color, so I informed the league that we would not be wearing pink ... we would wear purple socks.

About midway through October, it hit me that maybe instead of purple or pink or whatever color, we should just be wearing the color of socks for cancer itself ... whatever color that was. What made breast cancer so special over the other cancers. I had a player would mother died just a few weeks earlier and here are all these teams focusing on breast cancer and not the cancer that killed his mom.

The reason I don't want National Governing Bodies to take on political advocacy of issues is because for every issue there are others left out. If we are going to celebrate Gay Price and change the jersey's, do we also celebrate Heterosexual Pride?, African-American Pride, Irish-American Pride, Hispanic Pride, White Pride, etc. Its best the NGB's set policies of non-discrimination and put down the picket signs.

LA Galaxy has a foundation. Their youth clubs are also 501(c)(3)s. Just throw it in one of those or create a new one specially for the WNT. Your fake problem has now been solved.

Man, have you gone down the rabbit hole. You started by claiming that USSF is a public entity and therefore cannot support equality. This is false, of course, but it is also bizarre since various government agencies and entities properly support civil rights every single day, as they should. Now that all your other non-sense has been proven to be rubbish, now you're claiming USSF shouldn't support civil rights because your kid's soccer team doesn't support white supremacy or pancreatic cancer awareness month?

Let me explain something to you. The very point of the 501(c)(3) tax exemption - of which USSF is one - is to support causes. USSF has chosen to support civil rights. USATF has chosen to support black history month. The US Postal Service has chosen to support just about everything (including Christmas) with a variety of stamps. 501(c)(3)s, government entities and private entities support causes every day.

 

[End of the Line]

At the time, yes, it was very sad to see that this young man, age 10 or 11 was going to go through life without a mother. I attended her funeral and needed another one at the time.

Are you asking if I still need one? The answer is no. Why did you ask? Are you trying to be funny? Minimize the reason for why I believe a certain way?

Seriously dude, you are desperate. USSF shouldn't support equality because you went to a funeral? WTF are you talking about?

 

[Multi Sport]

The source of the information should have some merit regardless of their ideology. However if the information is accurate and while slightly biased in exposing some facts, that shouldn't negate that it content has value. The links bring a side of conversation and I believe answers the question of why. I don't have to agree with everything in the links to share it for those that may not have had a different understanding of the situation. It was never a black and white answer. To chose a side and not offer a legitimate solution, then you will never have any progress.

Don't waste your time with Espola. All he wants to do is take you down a rabbit hole...

 

[espola]

Don't waste your time with Espola. All he wants to do is take you down a rabbit hole...

Opinions are like what?

 

[baldref]

At the time, yes, it was very sad to see that this young man, age 10 or 11 was going to go through life without a mother. I attended her funeral and needed another one at the time.

Are you asking if I still need one? The answer is no. Why did you ask? Are you trying to be funny? Minimize the reason for why I believe a certain way?

you're not allowed to have an opinion other than "theirs". the people who supposedly champion equality are frauds. they prove it over and over.

 

[espola]

you're not allowed to have an opinion other than "theirs". the people who supposedly champion equality are frauds. they prove it over and over.

It's never going to come about that we all have "yours".

 

[ChargerPride]

Opinions are like what?

Apparently they are like you and your opinion of yourself!

 

[Sheriff Joe]

Looks like the left is not so tolerant, who knew?
USWNT’s Ashlyn Harris Blasts Former Christian Teammate: 'You Are Homophobic'

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FIFA via Getty Images
WARNER TODD HUSTON 16 Jul 2019
U.S. Women’s soccer player Ashlyn Harris ripped former teammate Jaelene Hinkle, who is a proud Christian, calling her “homophobic.”

Hinkle was cut from the World Cup-winning team at the end of last season before the team headed to France for the Women’s World Cup and in interviews, she hinted that her participation was ended more because she is a staunch Christian than because of her playing abilities.
But Harris went on the attack against Hinkle, according to the New York Post.

“Hinkle, our team is about inclusion. Your religion was never the problem. The problem is your intolerance, and you are homophobic,” said Harris, who is gay. “You don’t belong in a sport that aims to unite and bring people together. You would never fit into our pack or what this team stands for,” Harris added.

Hinkle has never said anything in public against gays as human beings. But she spoke up against gay marriage in the past. In 2015, for instance, in the midst of debate about gay marriage, she notedthat a Christian can’t pick and choose what Bible-based ideals they want to follow. And in 2017 she refused to wear a gay pride jersey.

“I just felt so convicted in my spirit that it wasn’t my job to wear this jersey,” Hinkle told 700 Club about the gay pride jersey incident. “I’m essentially giving up the one dream little girls dream about their entire lives. It was very disappointing. I knew in my spirit I was doing the right thing. I knew I was being obedient.”

But Harris continued to insist that Hinkle is homophobic.

“Don’t you dare say our team is ‘not a welcoming place for Christians,'” Harris said.”You weren’t around long enough to know what this team stood for. This is actually an insult to the Christians on our team. [Shame] on you.”

 

[MakeAPlay]

Looks like the left is not so tolerant, who knew?
USWNT’s Ashlyn Harris Blasts Former Christian Teammate: 'You Are Homophobic'

FIFA via Getty Images
WARNER TODD HUSTON 16 Jul 2019
U.S. Women’s soccer player Ashlyn Harris ripped former teammate Jaelene Hinkle, who is a proud Christian, calling her “homophobic.”

Hinkle was cut from the World Cup-winning team at the end of last season before the team headed to France for the Women’s World Cup and in interviews, she hinted that her participation was ended more because she is a staunch Christian than because of her playing abilities.
But Harris went on the attack against Hinkle, according to the New York Post.

“Hinkle, our team is about inclusion. Your religion was never the problem. The problem is your intolerance, and you are homophobic,” said Harris, who is gay. “You don’t belong in a sport that aims to unite and bring people together. You would never fit into our pack or what this team stands for,” Harris added.

Hinkle has never said anything in public against gays as human beings. But she spoke up against gay marriage in the past. In 2015, for instance, in the midst of debate about gay marriage, she notedthat a Christian can’t pick and choose what Bible-based ideals they want to follow. And in 2017 she refused to wear a gay pride jersey.

“I just felt so convicted in my spirit that it wasn’t my job to wear this jersey,” Hinkle told 700 Club about the gay pride jersey incident. “I’m essentially giving up the one dream little girls dream about their entire lives. It was very disappointing. I knew in my spirit I was doing the right thing. I knew I was being obedient.”

But Harris continued to insist that Hinkle is homophobic.

“Don’t you dare say our team is ‘not a welcoming place for Christians,'” Harris said.”You weren’t around long enough to know what this team stood for. This is actually an insult to the Christians on our team. [Shame] on you.”

Come on bro let's not go there. Let's enjoy the win. This was the right team because this is the team that won.

 

[End of the Line]

Looks like the left is not so tolerant, who knew?
USWNT’s Ashlyn Harris Blasts Former Christian Teammate: 'You Are Homophobic'

FIFA via Getty Images
WARNER TODD HUSTON 16 Jul 2019
U.S. Women’s soccer player Ashlyn Harris ripped former teammate Jaelene Hinkle, who is a proud Christian, calling her “homophobic.”

Hinkle was cut from the World Cup-winning team at the end of last season before the team headed to France for the Women’s World Cup and in interviews, she hinted that her participation was ended more because she is a staunch Christian than because of her playing abilities.
But Harris went on the attack against Hinkle, according to the New York Post.

“Hinkle, our team is about inclusion. Your religion was never the problem. The problem is your intolerance, and you are homophobic,” said Harris, who is gay. “You don’t belong in a sport that aims to unite and bring people together. You would never fit into our pack or what this team stands for,” Harris added.

Hinkle has never said anything in public against gays as human beings. But she spoke up against gay marriage in the past. In 2015, for instance, in the midst of debate about gay marriage, she notedthat a Christian can’t pick and choose what Bible-based ideals they want to follow. And in 2017 she refused to wear a gay pride jersey.

“I just felt so convicted in my spirit that it wasn’t my job to wear this jersey,” Hinkle told 700 Club about the gay pride jersey incident. “I’m essentially giving up the one dream little girls dream about their entire lives. It was very disappointing. I knew in my spirit I was doing the right thing. I knew I was being obedient.”

But Harris continued to insist that Hinkle is homophobic.

“Don’t you dare say our team is ‘not a welcoming place for Christians,'” Harris said.”You weren’t around long enough to know what this team stood for. This is actually an insult to the Christians on our team. [Shame] on you.”

It's payback time.

 

[Multi Sport]

It's payback time.

So by that remark you agree that the remarks by Harris are wrong?

 

[Sheriff Joe]

Come on bro let's not go there. Let's enjoy the win. This was the right team because this is the team that won.

I am good with that.

 

[End of the Line]

So by that remark you agree that the remarks by Harris are wrong?

Not at all. Exodus 21:24.

Harris is a patriot who supports equality as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States. Hinkle, on the other hand, is a bigot who does not. The last time I checked, the Constitution is the law of the land, and the bible is a book from which too many people selectively pick and choose passages to rationalize inappropriate behavior and justify the continuing oppression of others. Harris, like Rosa Parks, is a hero who stands up for equality. Hinkle, like Bull Connor, is a bigot who rationalizes the continuing oppression of others using religion as an excuse. Certainly, Parks was a much greater hero when you put things in context, but it is much more fun living in an era when someone like Harris can stand up for herself and also publicly rub Hinkle's bigotry in her face without having to worry too much about being beaten to death.

If Hinkle doesn't like that that she's never going to play in the WC, she should consider moving to a repressive middle eastern country that shares her homophobic views, since she's presumably good enough to at least make most of those squads assuming she's as good as MAP says. Of course, she should avoid countries that require athletes wear hijabs since she would obviously be right back to square one.

I get it. It's hard growing up being constantly told you're entitled to preferential treatment over gay folk, only to have the U.S. Supreme Court tell you that you only get the same rights as everyone else. I can't imagine how difficult it must be for someone to spend their entire life pointing to the bible to justify being an a**hole, only to have that away.

 

[MakeAPlay]

Not at all. Exodus 21:24.

Harris is a patriot who supports equality as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States. Hinkle, on the other hand, is a bigot who does not. The last time I checked, the Constitution is the law of the land, and the bible is a book from which too many people selectively pick and choose passages to rationalize inappropriate behavior and justify the continuing oppression of others. Harris, like Rosa Parks, is a hero who stands up for equality. Hinkle, like Bull Connor, is a bigot who rationalizes the continuing oppression of others using religion as an excuse. Certainly, Parks was a much greater hero when you put things in context, but it is much more fun living in an era when someone like Harris can stand up for herself and also publicly rub Hinkle's bigotry in her face without having to worry too much about being beaten to death.

If Hinkle doesn't like that that she's never going to play in the WC, she should consider moving to a repressive middle eastern country that shares her homophobic views, since she's presumably good enough to at least make most of those squads assuming she's as good as MAP says. Of course, she should avoid countries that require athletes wear hijabs since she would obviously be right back to square one.

I get it. It's hard growing up being constantly told you're entitled to preferential treatment over gay folk, only to have the U.S. Supreme Court tell you that you only get the same rights as everyone else. I can't imagine how difficult it must be for someone to spend their entire life pointing to the bible to justify being an a**hole, only to have that away.

Nobody has anything against gay people. Who cares. I also don't agree with Hinkle's perspective and opinions regarding LGBTQ people. All that I care about is her soccer ability and to say that she isn't one of the best leftbacks in the world is disingenuous at best. I don't think that anybody should be discriminated against for their race, religion, sexual orientation, gender, socio-economic status, family, etc.

What you need to do is to go to the off topic and rage against the true bigots in that forum. They will give you all of the fight that you are looking for.