USWNT

oh canada said:
I think Nike is driving this bus and US Soccer and most of the USWNT players are willing passengers. To remain relevant for more than a couple months every four years, Nike (and the players) need a bigger story. We have that now with #metoo and the womens movement (equal pay, etc.) and you can see that exhibited in every one of their commercials. Ironically, one could argue that promoting women only through/with social justice causes is sexist. Are they not good enough ballers to promote them with themes reflecting their talent, skill, achievement alone?

I'm always curious what those players on the team not sponsored by Nike (eg, Rose Lavelle - New Balance) think about Nike and its bully pulpit.
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New Balance has had a good year with Kawhi Leonard, Rose Lavelle, and Cori "Coco" Gauff.
 
oh canada said:
I think Nike is driving this bus and US Soccer and most of the USWNT players are willing passengers. To remain relevant for more than a couple months every four years, Nike (and the players) need a bigger story. We have that now with #metoo and the womens movement (equal pay, etc.) and you can see that exhibited in every one of their commercials. Ironically, one could argue that promoting women only through/with social justice causes is sexist. Are they not good enough ballers to promote them with themes reflecting their talent, skill, achievement alone?

I'm always curious what those players on the team not sponsored by Nike (eg, Rose Lavelle - New Balance) think about Nike and its bully pulpit.
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Wow, there is a lot to unpack between this and MWN's post. First, to MWN's point, the WNT is a private entity that receives no taxpayer dollars. So, by his logic, the WNT should be doing exactly what they are doing to promote civil rights. If MWN were serious about neutrality in the government, he'd support eliminating the billions in taxpayer money that goes to benefit religious organizations, he'd support firing the congressional chaplain and also getting rid of "In God We Trust" on our money. How does MWN feel about those things? You're opposed to a private entity supporting civil rights but in favor of billions in taxpayer dollars supporting entities that actively oppose civil rights?

Second, if Nike is driving the bus as oh canada claims, this is just further proof that the WNT is driving USSF's main source of revenue (advertising dollars) and, as such, the women should be paid far more than the MNT. In reality, the WNT is "driving the bus" because they are a marketable product for Nike, so Nike pays USSF a fortune for that benefit. Despite this, USSF discriminates against the women by excluding its main source of revenue and profit from the math that it uses to determine whether the MNT or WNT is more "profitable".

Finally, you don't understand what sexist means. Sexism is someone like yourself essentially conceding that women drive USSF's revenue but getting upset that they have the gall to demand even equal pay. Sexist is someone like yourself claiming there is something wrong with WNT players supporting civil rights and equality. Seriously, you're arguing that the WNT players should just shut the f**k up, agree to be paid less and forced to play with a P.O.S. bigot and second-tier defender Hinkle? But to answer your question about what Rose Lavelle thinks about Nike's support of civil rights and equality, she agrees with it. She is one of the players suing US Soccer for discrimination.

By the way, Ellis definitively proved you wrong. Ha ha that she has been the architect of the most successful and dominant dynasty in the history of women's soccer while you and MAP constantly whined about how she's ruined the WNT, how they wouldn't get out of the quarters because of her, and how she caused the WNT to get passed by at least 4 other countries. All the while your buddy Fleming ineffectively pranced around the pitch getting nothing done right up until Canada's early exit, and your other buddy Hinkle also continued her whining from her couch. But even if Hinkle were an elite player (which she is not and has never been), cancerous bigots like her have no business "representing our country" - assuming for the sake of argument that the WNT weren't a private entity.
 
End of the Line said:
Wow, there is a lot to unpack between this and MWN's post. First, to MWN's point, the WNT is a private entity that receives no taxpayer dollars. So, by his logic, the WNT should be doing exactly what they are doing to promote civil rights. If MWN were serious about neutrality in the government, he'd support eliminating the billions in taxpayer money that goes to benefit religious organizations, he'd support firing the congressional chaplain and also getting rid of "In God We Trust" on our money. How does MWN feel about those things? You're opposed to a private entity supporting civil rights but in favor of billions in taxpayer dollars supporting entities that actively oppose civil rights?

Second, if Nike is driving the bus as oh canada claims, this is just further proof that the WNT is driving USSF's main source of revenue (advertising dollars) and, as such, the women should be paid far more than the MNT. In reality, the WNT is "driving the bus" because they are a marketable product for Nike, so Nike pays USSF a fortune for that benefit. Despite this, USSF discriminates against the women by excluding its main source of revenue and profit from the math that it uses to determine whether the MNT or WNT is more "profitable".

Finally, you don't understand what sexist means. Sexism is someone like yourself essentially conceding that women drive USSF's revenue but getting upset that they have the gall to demand even equal pay. Sexist is someone like yourself claiming there is something wrong with WNT players supporting civil rights and equality. Seriously, you're arguing that the WNT players should just shut the f**k up, agree to be paid less and forced to play with a P.O.S. bigot and second-tier defender Hinkle? But to answer your question about what Rose Lavelle thinks about Nike's support of civil rights and equality, she agrees with it. She is one of the players suing US Soccer for discrimination.

By the way, Ellis definitively proved you wrong. Ha ha that she has been the architect of the most successful and dominant dynasty in the history of women's soccer while you and MAP constantly whined about how she's ruined the WNT, how they wouldn't get out of the quarters because of her, and how she caused the WNT to get passed by at least 4 other countries. All the while your buddy Fleming ineffectively pranced around the pitch getting nothing done right up until Canada's early exit, and your other buddy Hinkle also continued her whining from her couch. But even if Hinkle were an elite player (which she is not and has never been), cancerous bigots like her have no business "representing our country" - assuming for the sake of argument that the WNT weren't a private entity.
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You are pretty funny and you are why true bigots and racist are listened to. You cry foul about everything including the math.

You are mentally challenged if you can’t see the advantage of US government agencies remaining apolitical. My daughter kneels during the national anthem but not when she is wearing the Stars and Stripes.

Certain things are cut and dry unlike you who was clearly rode hard and put away wet.

Happy Tuesday!
 
MakeAPlay said:
You are pretty funny and you are why true bigots and racist are listened to. You cry foul about everything including the math.

You are mentally challenged if you can’t see the advantage of US government agencies remaining apolitical. My daughter kneels during the national anthem but not when she is wearing the Stars and Stripes.

Certain things are cut and dry unlike you who was clearly rode hard and put away wet.

Happy Tuesday!
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You've gone full Simisoccerfan. You don't have anything coherent to say, so you resort to ad hominin attacks. If you want to go that direction, that's cool. You must be very proud that your daughter's fair weather patriotism starts where her fair weather morality ends.
 
End of the Line said:
Wow, there is a lot to unpack between this and MWN's post. First, to MWN's point, the WNT is a private entity that receives no taxpayer dollars. So, by his logic, the WNT should be doing exactly what they are doing to promote civil rights. If MWN were serious about neutrality in the government, he'd support eliminating the billions in taxpayer money that goes to benefit religious organizations, he'd support firing the congressional chaplain and also getting rid of "In God We Trust" on our money. How does MWN feel about those things? You're opposed to a private entity supporting civil rights but in favor of billions in taxpayer dollars supporting entities that actively oppose civil rights?

Second, if Nike is driving the bus as oh canada claims, this is just further proof that the WNT is driving USSF's main source of revenue (advertising dollars) and, as such, the women should be paid far more than the MNT. In reality, the WNT is "driving the bus" because they are a marketable product for Nike, so Nike pays USSF a fortune for that benefit. Despite this, USSF discriminates against the women by excluding its main source of revenue and profit from the math that it uses to determine whether the MNT or WNT is more "profitable".

Finally, you don't understand what sexist means. Sexism is someone like yourself essentially conceding that women drive USSF's revenue but getting upset that they have the gall to demand even equal pay. Sexist is someone like yourself claiming there is something wrong with WNT players supporting civil rights and equality. Seriously, you're arguing that the WNT players should just shut the f**k up, agree to be paid less and forced to play with a P.O.S. bigot and second-tier defender Hinkle? But to answer your question about what Rose Lavelle thinks about Nike's support of civil rights and equality, she agrees with it. She is one of the players suing US Soccer for discrimination.

By the way, Ellis definitively proved you wrong. Ha ha that she has been the architect of the most successful and dominant dynasty in the history of women's soccer while you and MAP constantly whined about how she's ruined the WNT, how they wouldn't get out of the quarters because of her, and how she caused the WNT to get passed by at least 4 other countries. All the while your buddy Fleming ineffectively pranced around the pitch getting nothing done right up until Canada's early exit, and your other buddy Hinkle also continued her whining from her couch. But even if Hinkle were an elite player (which she is not and has never been), cancerous bigots like her have no business "representing our country" - assuming for the sake of argument that the WNT weren't a private entity.
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https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...701/6-reasons-people-lie-when-they-don-t-need
 
End of the Line said:
You've gone full Simisoccerfan. You don't have anything coherent to say, so you resort to ad hominin attacks. If you want to go that direction, that's cool. You must be very proud that your daughter's fair weather patriotism starts where her fair weather morality ends.
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And when people get fed up with your BS and call you on it, you resort to the “ad hominin” BS....you’ve lost every argument you’ve ever picked and it isn’t gonna change here.

Who did you say your kid plays for again?
 
Kicker4Life said:
And when people get fed up with your BS and call you on it, you resort to the “ad hominin” BS....you’ve lost every argument you’ve ever picked and it isn’t gonna change here.

Who did you say your kid plays for again?
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Let me guess. Since I have the ignore feature on a few posters. The ad hominid clue leads me to believe it has to be EOL.:D
 
The women’s contract is structured differently than the men’s, more conservative with guaranteed money even if they get hurt. That is the contract they negotiated for. The men’s is more result based with less guaranteed money. Not sure if I his publicity is doing them any good.
 
Sheriff Joe said:
The women’s contract is structured differently than the men’s, more conservative with guaranteed money even if they get hurt. That is the contract they negotiated for. The men’s is more result based with less guaranteed money. Not sure if I his publicity is doing them any good.
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If the mens is based on results then most of those guys are probably broke.
 
soccerobserver said:
Respectfully I assume EOL is a Ms. not a Mr.

Also notwithstanding EOL's histrionics, there is a good point about the pay gap for the USWNT and the MNT.

Even Snoop Dog is chiming in for the USWNT:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...l-pay-dispute-pay-the-girls-what-theyre-worth
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If Nike is so entrenched with the womens team then why don't they make a deal directly with them? That way the women can negotiate as a team. If they did I would be curious to see if it would be equal pay for all the women or the stars of the team would want more.
 
Multi Sport said:
If Nike is so entrenched with the womens team then why don't they make a deal directly with them? That way the women can negotiate as a team. If they did I would be curious to see if it would be equal pay for all the women or the stars of the team would want more.
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MutiS, I think the USSF negotiates on behalf of US Soccer and wraps WNT, MNT and MLS together into the advertising deals.

As the WNT is racking up wins the advertising deals are growning to record levels. The WNT asserts that the advertising is growing due to their success. But bc the deal is bundled its not broken out which entity is allocated what amount of the advertising $$$s.
 
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