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tenacious said:
He’s plainly incredibly smart and accomplished. Also able to bridge that gap between tradition with his military service small town mayor, and not just being another straight white guy- which is important.

That said... does he really feel like the savior of the Democratic Party? He just kind of seems like a boring policy wonk.
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Don’t know him well enough yet. Heard him on Fox radio and he seemed fairly charismatic.
 
Andy Dukes said:
My first thought was that was smart by Joe but within a minute, it was wait a minute? That is very presumptuous by Joe and frankly she is probably better situated to run than he is. It shows the real issues Joe has to deal with. While he can do well in the rust belt, he lacks the pull to the urban world and he is fucking old.
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And white.
 
tenacious said:
Hillary won the urban settings... and T still won the election. I suppose this time the plan is to throw in some reparations and free college talk, and hope that results possibly flipping Georgia, of some other southern states? Count me as skeptical that turkey can fly.

Honestly I find the entire field of Democrats to be uninspiring and frankly some what full of weirdos promising free stuff in hopes people won’t notice. Biden is the only one I’d want to have a beer with and frankly I don’t disagree with you Andy, he’s hardly inspiring. Maybe I just won’t vote.
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Another vote for trump.
 
So what do you guys think about Cory Booker? Non-boomer, cultural flavor, sort of has that effeminate male thing that is popular (but tough enough I would also believe he had the moxie to punch someone in the face), progressive leaning but known to reach across the aisle...
 
tenacious said:
So what do you guys think about Cory Booker? Non-boomer, cultural flavor, sort of has that effeminate male thing that is popular (but tough enough I would also believe he had the moxie to punch someone in the face), progressive leaning but known to reach across the aisle...
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Cory is charismatic and was almost mythical as Mayor of Newark. Let’s see how he handles the pressures of being progressive enough, black enough, pragmatic enough, big party friendly enough and all the other enough running for President. So far for me, too much pandering and not enough old Cory from Jersey.
 
Andy Dukes said:
Cory is charismatic and was almost mythical as Mayor of Newark. Let’s see how he handles the pressures of being progressive enough, black enough, pragmatic enough, big party friendly enough and all the other enough running for President. So far for me, too much pandering and not enough old Cory from Jersey.
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And he is a lying fuck.
 
Andy Dukes said:
Cory is charismatic and was almost mythical as Mayor of Newark. Let’s see how he handles the pressures of being progressive enough, black enough, pragmatic enough, big party friendly enough and all the other enough running for President. So far for me, too much pandering and not enough old Cory from Jersey.
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I would have to agree on that. Obviously so far he has avoided playing who can be the craziest liberal with Auntie Elizabeth, but on the other side seems afraid to play to the moderates...
 
tenacious said:
I would have to agree on that. Obviously so far he has avoided playing who can be the craziest liberal with Auntie Elizabeth, but on the other side seems afraid to play to the moderates...
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Barack won because he was comfortable being mostly Barack. Hillary lost because she was always trying to be something that was not HRC because HRC is hard to like in formal settings. Joe is Joe. Liz is Liz. Bernie is, well Bernie. Beto is Beto, for all that that is. Cory is trying to find a persona that I think he just needs to not worry about. I keep wondering if Amy is playing it cool or just not comfortable yet. The second would be problematic if she does not get her feet under her. Amy, Gildi, Kamala all have to strive to be female without falling under suspicion of being bitchy. When Amy got nailed for being hard to her employees, she was like, yea, I expect a lot of my people. She was able to do that without being strident. Part of it, is she has a bit lower tenor in her voice. No cackle. It is so much harder for the women.
 
Andy Dukes said:
Barack won because he was comfortable being mostly Barack. Hillary lost because she was always trying to be something that was not HRC because HRC is hard to like in formal settings. Joe is Joe. Liz is Liz. Bernie is, well Bernie. Beto is Beto, for all that that is. Cory is trying to find a persona that I think he just needs to not worry about. I keep wondering if Amy is playing it cool or just not comfortable yet. The second would be problematic if she does not get her feet under her. Amy, Gildi, Kamala all have to strive to be female without falling under suspicion of being bitchy. When Amy got nailed for being hard to her employees, she was like, yea, I expect a lot of my people. She was able to do that without being strident. Part of it, is she has a bit lower tenor in her voice. No cackle. It is so much harder for the women.
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Yeah I don't buy into all that...

Booker's problem is he knows if he wants to win a general he is going to have to push to the middle, but that in doing so will end his career as a regional politician in the northeast (which will be problematic if he doesn't end up becoming president). It's the indecision has left his campaign in neutral. Amy's problem isn't she's unlikable, it's that she doesn't seem to have the charisma to attract voters to her. Not a problem for her when running in the nuts and bolts minded mid-west, but a big problem for a national campaign.
 
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tenacious said:
Yeah I don't buy into all that...

Booker's problem is he knows if he wants to win a general he is going to have to push to the middle, but that in doing so will end his career as a regional politician in the northeast (which will be problematic if he doesn't end up becoming president). It's the indecision has left his campaign in neutral. Amy's problem isn't she's unlikable, it's that she doesn't seem to have the charisma to attract voters to her. Not a problem for her when running in the nuts and bolts minded mid-west, but a big problem for a national campaign.
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Booker will be able to go back to Jersey if he loses as President. No matter how far he runs into the center. He is pretty solid there and Jersey is a complex place, much like CA. While Dems may have majorities, there are plenty of pockets of Repubs or moderates.
 
Andy Dukes said:
Booker will be able to go back to Jersey if he loses as President. No matter how far he runs into the center. He is pretty solid there and Jersey is a complex place, much like CA. While Dems may have majorities, there are plenty of pockets of Repubs or moderates.
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That’s what Joe Crowley said too... and then AOC ran to the left of him.
 

Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) (Michael Reynolds/Michael Reynolds/Epa-Efe/Rex/Shutterstock)

It was Day Three of the Brett M. Kavanaugh hearings when Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) launched his 2020 presidential bid as a Thracian gladiator.

His eyes glimmering pools of earnestness, Booker girded his loins and told those in attendance he was going to do the unthinkable: He was going to put everything at risk, even his place in the U.S. Senate, and break the rules. He would release confidential documents that, Booker said, would expose Supreme Court nominee Kavanaugh as a supporter of racial profiling.

Lest the immensity of the moment be lost on spectators, Booker sprang for the enduring image: “This is about the closest I’ll probably ever have in my life to an ‘I am Spartacus’ moment,” he said with a straight face. He was referring to the 1960 movie “Spartacus,” about a failed slave revolt led by the title character (Kirk Douglas) against the Roman Republic. When the rulers warned that all the slaves would be crucified unless Spartacus identified himself, he stood up. Then all the other slaves did the same, saying, “I am Spartacus.”

Alas, the Kavanaugh documents technically were not confidential, having been released the night before by Bill Burck, the George W. Bush attorney charged with reviewing Kavanaugh’s records from his time as a lawyer in the White House. The documents also did not support Booker’s claim about profiling. But truth is no lingerer in the repositories of Booker’s revelations.

Would that director Stanley Kubrick had been on hand. He might have instructed the other Democratic senators to rise at once and say, “No, I am Spartacus,” and to rescue their colleague from certain parody. Apparently, at least some of the other senators, and Booker himself, already knew that the documents, previously marked “committee confidential,” had been released, according to Burck. Thursday night, Booker told CNN’s Anderson Cooper that he didn’t know the emails had been released and insisted, almost boastfully, that he did too break the rules. One couldn’t help wondering whether the “I am Spartacus” bumper stickers and “Break Rules” T-shirts were already being printed.
 
tenacious said:
Hillary won the urban settings... and T still won the election. I suppose this time the plan is to throw in some reparations and free college talk, and hope that results possibly flipping Georgia, of some other southern states? Count me as skeptical that turkey can fly.

Honestly I find the entire field of Democrats to be uninspiring and frankly some what full of weirdos promising free stuff in hopes people won’t notice. Biden is the only one I’d want to have a beer with and frankly I don’t disagree with you Andy, he’s hardly inspiring. Maybe I just won’t vote.
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You sure got caught up in some twisted propaganda. The eventual nominee will push for none of that carp, nor would they get enough votes if they did.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
You sure got caught up in some twisted propaganda. The eventual nominee will push for none of that carp, nor would they get enough votes if they did.
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I'm certainly not too proud to admit when I'm wrong...

So in that vein- what issues do you see the eventual nominee pushing for that will win over democrats? And which of the candidates do you see pushing those issues the best right now?
 
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