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tenacious said:
The same way Bernie Sanders ruined his reputation talking about his tough Brooklyn upbringing? Funny, no front page article in the WP on that...
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Umm, because maybe Bernie has shown pride for his Brooklyn beginnings and gives praise to the neighborhood, schools and local culture. Maybe because he did not try to weave a fable that others so easily could refute. Maybe because he is smarter, more truthful and a better candidate.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-brooklyn-stomping-ground/story?id=38347008
 
Andy Dukes said:
Umm, because maybe Bernie has shown pride for his Brooklyn beginnings and gives praise to the neighborhood, schools and local culture. Maybe because he did not try to weave a fable that others so easily could refute. Maybe because he is smarter, more truthful and a better candidate.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-brooklyn-stomping-ground/story?id=38347008
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That others can so easily refute? With a couple of quotes and zero research! lol... too funny.

I just think we've come to a point where we need to be honest the Democratic party hasn't groomed new leaders or have any new ideas. And in fact has wasted the last decade fawning over Obama as he let vast numbers of State, Local, Congressional (at the national level) and Supreme Court Seats fall into Republican hands. Or how they fall all over themselves hero worshiping people like Ruth G Ginsberg, whose entire legacy will be wiped out if her ego about not resigning her seat ends with Trump filling her with another Right-wing Supreme Court Justice. Then, if you read the Washington Post, the Dem plan is rather then come up with quality legislation or messages... to just redistribute the wealth.

Maybe you're okay with that... but I'm tired of excuses and losing. I want a winner and it's time I think to accept that the Dem's likely won't provide one.
 
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Andy Dukes said:
In public policy and politics. Beto. How many campaigns has Howard run?
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Beto won a seat as a state representative for two years and then lost a Senate race to Lyn' Ted. Howard built one of the most successful business in America, and spent his life balancing budgets and managing and army of employees...

That said, I am interested in hearing what Beto has to say, he could still get my vote. But he's going to have to prove he's not just another "pretty face."
 
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tenacious said:
Beto won a seat as a state representative for two years and then lost a Senate race to Lyn' Ted. Howard built one of the most successful business in America, and spent his life balancing budgets and managing and army of employees...

That said, I am interested in hearing what Beto has to say, he could still get my vote. But he's going to have to prove he's not just another "pretty face."
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He just blew his chance in your new socialist run party,


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tenacious said:
Beto won a seat as a state representative for two years and then lost a Senate race to Lyn' Ted. Howard built one of the most successful business in America, and spent his life balancing budgets and managing and army of employees...

That said, I am interested in hearing what Beto has to say, he could still get my vote. But he's going to have to prove he's not just another "pretty face."
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Howard chose a direction for his life and was very successful. Much like Bloomberg. Those skills don't naturally slide over to POTUS. His hubris is thinking they do. I am not backing Beto or any other candidate at this point. Beto lacks one key element I am using as a bias point for this election.
 
Andy Dukes said:
Can you point to an article were Bernie stated he made it out of the projects to aspire beyond his upbringing? I don't think so.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/20...-sanders-gets-personal-campaign-trail-n977486
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Okay, let's have a conversation about Bernie's background. I think a lot of people don't realize that Hillary used the kid's gloves on him because she was worried about losing the progressive vote back in 2016. Somehow I doubt his background is what you think it is...

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/bernie-sanders-vermont-119927
 
Andy Dukes said:
Howard chose a direction for his life and was very successful. Much like Bloomberg. Those skills don't naturally slide over to POTUS. His hubris is thinking they do. I am not backing Beto or any other candidate at this point. Beto lacks one key element I am using as a bias point for this election.
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Honestly I don't know who I'm going to vote for either. So I'm defaulting to HS as a protest vote, til one of the Dems can show me they deserve my vote.
 
tenacious said:
Okay, let's have a conversation about Bernie's background. I think a lot of people don't realize that Hillary used the kid's gloves on him because she was worried about losing the progressive vote back in 2016. Somehow I doubt his background is what you think it is...

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/bernie-sanders-vermont-119927
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Well, I spent 15 minutes getting to know Bernie better by reading this article. What drama was I supposed to get from that 15 minutes?
 
tenacious said:
Honestly I don't know who I'm going to vote for either. So I'm defaulting to HS as a protest vote, til one of the Dems can show me they deserve my vote.
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Most votes are the vote against. The last presidential election, I captioned the Oh Shit versus OH FUCK!!!! vote. I left the Democratic party around 2010. I doubt I will ever go back.
 
Andy Dukes said:
Well, I spent 15 minutes getting to know Bernie better by reading this article. What drama was I supposed to get from that 15 minutes?
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You don't think not earning your first paycheck til you're in your 30's, or having to steal electricity from your neighbors because you're not earning enough to pay your bills speaks to one's character?
 
Andy Dukes said:
Most votes are the vote against. The last presidential election, I captioned the Oh Shit versus OH FUCK!!!! vote. I left the Democratic party around 2010. I doubt I will ever go back.
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I had this discussion with my daughter after dinner Tuesday (note - Olvera Square restaurants are a disappointment). I explained my partisan history (learning first-hand that Republicans are crooks, Democrats are fools, and Libertarians are hypocrites). I told her about my theory about how the Democrats can neutralize t - leave him in office letting him provide daily reminders of why anyone else would be better. Any Rs sill loyal to him by November 2020 can circle down the toilet bowl with him.
 
tenacious said:
You don't think not earning your first paycheck til you're in your 30's, or having to steal electricity from your neighbors because you're not earning enough to pay your bills speaks to one's character?
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Much like Pussy Grabber is a reminder of the excesses of the 80's, Bernie is a reminder of the counter culture of the 60's and 70's. In perspective, I prefer the idealistic late bloomer to Pussy Grabber.
 
Andy Dukes said:
Most votes are the vote against. The last presidential election, I captioned the Oh Shit versus OH FUCK!!!! vote. I left the Democratic party around 2010. I doubt I will ever go back.
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I have to tell you, as the stodgy moderate I'm kind of enjoying being the one who get's to ride the high horse for once.

Trumps bad, but at least he's the devil I know who aside from filling me with outrage, and filling the Supreme Court seats Obama and Ginsberg want to throw away... hasn't changed much that can't be undone. Why risk that on some firebrand who imagines themselves as another left wing "hero," who panders to the far left 20%, and is certainly they are the only one who can save us all?
 
espola said:
I had this discussion with my daughter after dinner Tuesday (note - Olvera Square restaurants are a disappointment). I explained my partisan history (learning first-hand that Republicans are crooks, Democrats are fools, and Libertarians are hypocrites). I told her about my theory about how the Democrats can neutralize t - leave him in office letting him provide daily reminders of why anyone else would be better. Any Rs sill loyal to him by November 2020 can circle down the toilet bowl with him.
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The taquito shop on the corner is the best food but when we would bring everyone in from around the country for a convention at the LACC, I would take them to La Golondrina. Good margaritas and passable food.

You points are all valid. If Biden's son had not died, I think the election would have been much better with him and HRC running hard against each other. Did not happen and we got Pussy Grabber. 20 in the new field. Let them go after each other.
 
tenacious said:
I have to tell you, as the stodgy moderate I'm kind of enjoying being the one who get's to ride the high horse for once.

Trumps bad, but at least he's the devil I know who aside from filling me with outrage, and filling the Supreme Court seats Obama and Ginsberg want to throw away... hasn't changed much that can't be undone. Why risk that on some firebrand who imagines themselves as another left wing "hero," who panders to the far left 20%, and is certainly they are the only one who can save us all?
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Trump pandered to the 30% of white or enriched. Scaring the rest. I left the Democratic party of over two issues. One critical and the other about who we are. I will not join a political party that is not fiscally responsible. We must run a balanced budget at some point for sustainability but most politicians are not worried about sustainability. The other, you don't drone attack 16 year old American kids in the desert. You just don't.
 
Andy Dukes said:
The taquito shop on the corner is the best food but when we would bring everyone in from around the country for a convention at the LACC, I would take them to La Golondrina. Good margaritas and passable food.

You points are all valid. If Biden's son had not died, I think the election would have been much better with him and HRC running hard against each other. Did not happen and we got Pussy Grabber. 20 in the new field. Let them go after each other.
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The local taco shop (El Ranchito at Espola and Twin Peaks in Poway) is better, cheaper, and more convenient (even after moving 5 miles the wrong way).
 
Andy Dukes said:
Trump pandered to the 30% of white or enriched. Scaring the rest. I left the Democratic party of over two issues. One critical and the other about who we are. I will not join a political party that is not fiscally responsible. We must run a balanced budget at some point for sustainability but most politicians are not worried about sustainability. The other, you don't drone attack 16 year old American kids in the desert. You just don't.
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I think fortunately for all of Trumps pandering he has proved inept and a fool. At least I’m not aware things are really much worse under Trump for the they 70%, then they were under Obama? Do you have any stats. Moreover to paraphrase B Sanders when he ran against HC, if dems can’t find someone more deserving of my vote then him... then it falls on them.

Though if you’d share some info on drone attacks on American kids we can talk about that.
 
espola said:
The local taco shop (El Ranchito at Espola and Twin Peaks in Poway) is better, cheaper, and more convenient (even after moving 5 miles the wrong way).
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The best food is Phillipe's down the street. El Ranchito has a shop in Murrieta. Our go to for fast food taco's.
 
tenacious said:
I think fortunately for all of Trumps pandering he has proved inept and a fool. At least I’m not aware things are really much worse under Trump for the they 70%, then they were under Obama? Do you have any stats. Moreover to paraphrase B Sanders when he ran against HC, if dems can’t find someone more deserving of my vote then him... then it falls on them.

Though if you’d share some info on drone attacks on American kids we can talk about that.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdulrahman_al-Awlaki
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...the-killing-of-a-16-year-old-american/264028/

Not as important as not paying our bills unfortunately. Gibbs response, made my blood boil.
 
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