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Wez said:
No need to continue on without me, you're quoting me.

You imply, that no good can come from gun controls because people exist in this world that want to do harm to others. Despite the fact that, yes, there are people who will find a way, Japan has very low incidents of gun deaths and they have strict gun control laws. A lot of good has come from their stance on guns.
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No implication.
Just fact. Gun control laws don't stop terrorists, lunatics or criminals.
You have the memory of a 6 week old kitten.
I've stated more than once, that I don't mind back ground checks.
I don't mind waiting for two weeks to pick up my new gun. But then again I'm not a criminal.
I'm all for gun safety and gun safety courses if you are going to keep a gun.
But all the gun legislation in Japan didn't stop this guy from finding away to kill.....
The creep in Nice didn't need a gun to kill all those folks...
What next for Japan? Registering or outlawing the silverware?
 
Lion Eyes said:
No implication.
Just fact. Gun control laws don't stop terrorists, lunatics or criminals.
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http://www.vox.com/2015/12/3/9845436/japan-gun-homicides

You're the one who chose to highlight the killings in Japan, as some sort of justification that gun controls don't matter. I'm simply counter pointing you.

Lion Eyes said:
But all the gun legislation in Japan didn't stop this guy from finding away to kill.....
The creep in Nice didn't need a gun to kill all those folks...
What next for Japan? Registering or outlawing the silverware?
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Again, if you are going to highlight events where people are killed without a gun being used, and extrapolate that back to a discussion about gun control laws "not mattering" because of this or that, I'm going to remind you that despite people being intent on finding ways to kill people, strict gun controls having a very high correlation with reduced gun deaths.
 
Wez said:
http://www.vox.com/2015/12/3/9845436/japan-gun-homicides

You're the one who chose to highlight the killings in Japan, as some sort of justification that gun controls don't matter. I'm simply counter pointing you.



Again, if you are going to highlight events where people are killed without a gun being used, and extrapolate that back to a discussion about gun control laws "not mattering" because of this or that, I'm going to remind you that despite people being intent on finding ways to kill people, strict gun controls having a very high correlation with reduced gun deaths.
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This is what I originally posted about the attack in Japan ..."If one wants to wreak havoc, one will find a way...." That's it.

You have a way of just jumping to conclusions.... I never said or inferred gun control laws don't matter.

Again if one is so inclined, one will find a way to kill.

Dead is dead.

Extrapolate this... gun control laws didn't save these folks.
 
Wez said:
Compared to the US, how many lives have gun controls laws in Japan saved?
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What do gun control laws in the US have to do with a knife attack in Japan?

By the way, I gotta believe any answer to your question above would have to be speculative.
 
Lion Eyes said:
What do gun control laws in the US have to do with a knife attack in Japan?
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What does a knife attack have to do with us needing more strict gun controls, or not? You were the one who linked the two.

Why bring it up in the context of "If one wants to wreak havoc, one will find a way", if you are not trying to make a case for stricter gun controls not being needed because a psycho will find another weapon.

The fact remains, Japan's stance on guns has saved their citizenry a lot of pain and sorrow, compared to the US.
 
Wez said:
What does a knife attack have to do with us needing more strict gun controls, or not? You were the one who linked the two.

Why bring it up in the context of "If one wants to wreak havoc, one will find a way", if you are not trying to make a case for stricter gun controls not being needed because a psycho will find another weapon.

The fact remains, Japan's stance on guns has saved their citizenry a lot of pain and sorrow, compared to the US.
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I would have said the same thing about Nice but I hadn't found the time to sign up for the new site....so.....
Regarding Nice, "IF ONE WANTS TO WRECK HAVOC, ONE WILL FIND A WAY!"

You go ahead and jump to conclusions, fly off the handle, jump the shark and tie that statement into gun control laws in France, Japan and America.
Muahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa........geezzzzuusss!
 
Wez, you seem to know everything...
Wondering why is it that Bernie won the primary in Michigan, yet Hillary received more delegates from Michigan?
PS This has nothing to do with Ginsu knives, semi trucks, or the second amendment.:cool:
 
Lion Eyes said:
If one wants to wreak havoc, one will find a way....

July 25 (Reuters) - Nineteen people were feared dead and as many as 24 others wounded after an attack by a knife-wielding man at a facility for the disabled in Japan early on Tuesday, NHK reported.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...media-reports/ar-BBuQVrO?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp
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Please explain what you meant by this post Lion. How were you not referring to a discussion regarding gun control? How many times, during our gun control discussions, has the point been raised about people will use other weapons to if you ban guns. You yourself made the point about banning silverware in Japan.

I didn't link the two, I just responded to you doing it.
 
Wez said:
Please explain what you meant by this post Lion. How were you not referring to a discussion regarding gun control? How many times, during our gun control discussions, has the point been raised about people will use other weapons to if you ban guns. You yourself made the point about banning silverware in Japan.

I didn't link the two, I just responded to you doing it.
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I didn't link the two, you did. If one wants to wreak havoc, one will find a way....the statement speaks for itself.

My silverware response was after you made several attempts to link what I posted to gun control... I threw you a rope...don't get it caught around your neck.
 
Lion Eyes said:
I didn't link the two, you did. If one wants to wreak havoc, one will find a way....the statement speaks for itself.
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Why would anyone here need to know that if someone wants to "wreak havoc, they will find a way"? That statement is self evident and means nothing to anybody, unless you are linking it to a discussion about banning guns. That's what you meant by saying that statement and I suspect others would see it as well.
 
Wez said:
Why would anyone here need to know that if someone wants to "wreak havoc, they will find a way"? That statement is self evident and means nothing to anybody, unless you are linking it to a discussion about banning guns. That's what you meant by saying that statement and I suspect others would see it as well.
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Let me 'splain lucy...
I read the story and was shocked by the brutality. I thought how awful this story was. Then I started pondering, wondering if you will, why someone would do something like this, something this awful. Pondering a bit more, I thought this jackass is just evil. Indeed some people are just evil.... ...again Wizzer, before this wacko stabbed these folks, the jackass in Nice France had driven over party goers in a truck....and I thought:
If one wants to wreak havoc, one will find a way...

Not sure what this has to do with the knife attacks in Japan, but why not?
Compared to the US, how many lives have seatbelt laws in Japan saved?
 
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Wez said:
Keep going, you're almost there..... if wreaking havoc is your goal, no laws will stop.......so no need for........
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Almost there?

Almost to your 6th grade level?

Jethro?
Mr. Bodine?

You apparently read between the lines where nothing exists... attaboy!
 
Lion Eyes said:
Almost there?

Almost to your 6th grade level?

Jethro?
Mr. Bodine?

You apparently read between the lines where nothing exists... attaboy!
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Ok, I got you so out of sorts you are afraid to call out your 2A nonsense, mission accomplished. 8)
 
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