This is what should happen IMO. So dumb for kids to travel just so the "elite" teams have someone to play. If your kid is good enough and you don't care about them having a traditional education path, let them play for LAFC, Real Salt Lake, etc. But my club is asking us to take our kid to LA and skip two days of school in April and then play Easter Sunday to be a part of an LA Galaxy tournament. We are saying no because his best case scenario is D2 or D3 if he even wants to do that and he can make that happen with or without DA and this tournament.
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This is what should happen IMO. So dumb for kids to travel just so the "elite" teams have someone to play. If your kid is good enough and you don't care about them having a traditional education path, let them play for LAFC, Real Salt Lake, etc. But my club is asking us to take our kid to LA and skip two days of school in April and then play Easter Sunday to be a part of an LA Galaxy tournament. We are saying no because his best case scenario is D2 or D3 if he even wants to do that and he can make that happen with or without DA and this tournament.
Not_that_Serious
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You need to create the system that caters just to the elite kids who have parents willing to take kids out of school for weeks to play. Not because parents are willing to pay, it is because our domestic league needs that system. At that point it really is more of pro system trying to navigate our education laws. The structure for kids below this elite group, kids wanting to go to college but still play high level soccer, is already in place. Just watered-down due to all the unneeded things like non-pro DA, discovery, super duper league, etc. DA was created for the pro path and/or path to national team. So DA's selling anything other than that aren't in line with what US Soccer wants. Change was bound to happen. Clubs werent producing enough pro level talent. Clubs will make the next thing to sell - they always do.
Not_that_Serious
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exactly. we need things to be condensed, not expanded. simplify choices. problem is/was big clubs stayed greedy, instead of trying to leave one aspect of development as pure as possible. if what Dargle said is true, you will have pro academies picking from the entire area. the way it should be - if that is what kids/parents want to do. nothing wrong with playing as high a flight as possible and/or playing ODP. that has been a path that has lead many to D1-D3 schools and has lead to kids playing pro soccer. some just want something as a back up - especially given the trend of american players retiring at an early age due to injuries and/or being forced out of the league due to cheaper labor.
Not_that_Serious
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second tier DA clubs will be getting a dose of what they have been doing to smaller clubs for years.
My dd was on the g02 team and they had 1 practice after the team was announced. The group of girls was very talented and played great soccer.
I like the MLS model mentioned above. MLS certainly isn't the "gold" standard for worldwide soccer, but it's the best we have domestically right now.
Look at the academy set up across Europe. It truly is an "Academy" - Facilities, trainers, film rooms, multiple coaches, position specific education environments, 1st team aspirations.
Look at the "Academy" set up here in So Cal (aside from LA Galaxy)- Bunch of teams at the Great Park slammed onto a field they are sharing with at least 1 other team. No clubhouse, training facility, film room, etc. Players moving around to other clubs. Just the same thing we've had for years, but with mandatory team activities 4 days per week + games.
Look at the academy set up across Europe. It truly is an "Academy" - Facilities, trainers, film rooms, multiple coaches, position specific education environments, 1st team aspirations.
Look at the "Academy" set up here in So Cal (aside from LA Galaxy)- Bunch of teams at the Great Park slammed onto a field they are sharing with at least 1 other team. No clubhouse, training facility, film room, etc. Players moving around to other clubs. Just the same thing we've had for years, but with mandatory team activities 4 days per week + games.
Not_that_Serious
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yeah heaven for bid pro clubs actually having to make real investment to make youth side look like a legit academy. some clubs still dont have that completely worked out.
Not_that_Serious
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many dont take this in to account. teams dont really play that long together.
Ok, ok. I will officially call it....that this thread has jumped the shark
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In NorCal, all of the top clubs place their teams in the NorCal Premier League, which is associated with the National Premier League. All of the best teams in NorCal play in NorCal Premier and take part in the NorCal Premier League State Cup. The teams that you saw in Morgan Hill were playing in CalNorth State Cup, which is associated with USCS. None of the top clubs/teams play in CalNorth, take part in CalNorth State Cup, or place their players in ODP.
In Northern California, US Youth Soccer's Cal North is basically just a recreational league facilitator. U.S. Club Soccer has 95% of the competitive teams and is the 800 pound gorilla.
In Southern California, Cal South is the 800 pound gorilla.
@TigresFanG03 had 9-0 and 14-0 wins during group play. That must've been fun to watch.....
What did you not like about my post to hit the "Dislike" button. I simply stated facts. And I was being facetious about it being fun to watch. Try being that GK from AZ who got scored on 14x. Or worse. Her parents having to watch her suffer out there and not being able to do a damn thing about it. Shooting clinics should be saved for camps and training sessions. Not tournaments. That must've been a long ride home filled with awkward silence. She was a F2 GK at best. Her team as well. Nothing against her or them. Just not at the same level as the SoCal team. A good F1 GK would've made a huge difference in that game though.
Not_that_Serious
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Yeah most other State Orgs dont run like Cal South. Much of it due to pure numbers and money available. You hear the nightmares of ODP in other states and what they charge to play. If you are a good player in So Cal you have good options - ODP being verrry cost effective.
This also leads to a lot of coaching movement and orgs changing tech directors at these places. Hard to develop if you dont have stability. Carlos Juarez was just at Cal North, now in AZ and coaches he brought arent local. Also hard to establish a real connection if you dont bring in the best coaches you can find at the clubs these kids come from.
Not_that_Serious
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here is an article i was just reading about DA
http://www.insideworldfootball.com/...system-favour-players-developing-youth-clubs/
Nothing new most of us dont know and laugh about on here. The main point of this article is some decisions are being made to cut out the nonsense and change development. A lot of pressure on decision makers at the top to get a solid team on the field at 2026 WC. That doesnt happen over a couple years and some with influence understand it has to start at youth level. These guys should have just read the comments we've been making for years.
http://www.insideworldfootball.com/...system-favour-players-developing-youth-clubs/
Nothing new most of us dont know and laugh about on here. The main point of this article is some decisions are being made to cut out the nonsense and change development. A lot of pressure on decision makers at the top to get a solid team on the field at 2026 WC. That doesnt happen over a couple years and some with influence understand it has to start at youth level. These guys should have just read the comments we've been making for years.
azsnowrider
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Carlos Juarez was just at Cal North, now in AZ and coaches he brought arent local. Also hard to establish a real connection if you dont bring in the best coaches you can find at the clubs these kids come from
Just curious but please expand on this comment. Are you referring to AZ ODP coaches that Carlos/AZ-ODP had this year? If so, the coaches are all at AZ clubs...
Definitelynotanotherref
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The 05 girls lost, but they were the better team, South Nevada was a good team and put up a good fight, and just put away 66% of their chances.
azsnowrider
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Not sure if you noticed but AZ fielded 2 teams in most of the age groups. This was the Blue team (2nd squad), I know So Cal likes to flex its muscles but running up 14 is ridiculous.
futboldad1
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How is that the So Cal teams fault? It's a very rec mentality to think that way, a thought process that is common and holding back US Soccer. Conceding 14 is on the losing coaches or organizers. Don't enter a second team if they're not up to it.
Definitelynotanotherref
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If anyone has the game footage from the 05 Cal South vs South Nevada game or knows where to get it, could you PM me? It would be greatly appreciated.