Relegation and Promotion in CSL

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Does CSL notify coaches about whether their team is being relegated or promoted? Or do they just find out when the schedules come out in the new year?
Looks like my DD's team may go in one direction or another...
 
If I remember rightly, unless you finished first (in which case I believe it is automatic) in the bracket, you have to ‘apply’ for promotion via the application process. I don’t have any experience of the relegation procedure as it’s not something that’s happened to any of our teams, yet.

Can anyone expand on this and clarify when the applications are usually submitted?

We’ve had teams promoted after finishing 1st, 2nd and 3rd in brackets. Of course, if you finish 3rd then you’ve got to argue your case but I’ve always found CSL to be accommodating and understanding.
 
On this general topic, can anyone speak from experience as to what happens when CSL goes from only having Silver Elite as the highest bracket for an age group to having Gold for the first time? Did most of the Silver Elite teams get promoted and the top Silver teams?
 
CSL could just follow a method that has been proved to work on a national basis. Form a new higher-than-Premier group, call it something special (perhaps "Academy"?) and charge higher-than-Premier fees to join, thus allowing any well-funded club to have top-ranked teams.
 
Another thing that CSL considers is the actual skill level of the team regardless of how long it has been together or how it finished last year. If a brand new team or so-so team last year adds a few great players, the application process allows the team to explain that. CSL wants balanced brackets. No one wants a team killing teams 10-0 just because they did not finish first last year. Same if you lose a player or two. No point getting killed. I have seen both brand new teams start in SE and winners stay or drop a bracket. Just be clear in the application.
 
OP said:
Does CSL notify coaches about whether their team is being relegated or promoted? Or do they just find out when the schedules come out in the new year?
Looks like my DD's team may go in one direction or another...
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Usually when the brackets are posted for the new season. Brackets come out before schedules do. Unless there is some unusual circumstance. Sometimes CSL will need to dig down past first or second and sometimes even a third place team for promotion to fill an upper division and they will call the coach and ask if they would like to be promoted or stay the same level.

Woodwork said:
On this general topic, can anyone speak from experience as to what happens when CSL goes from only having Silver Elite as the highest bracket for an age group to having Gold for the first time? Did most of the Silver Elite teams get promoted and the top Silver teams?
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They move the entire top bracket up unless there are new high level teams that formed or high level teams coming in from SCDSL.
 
I know if you lose a lot of players you can ask to be moved down. After the 2017 CSL League Cup, my son moved from a Silver team which finished 3rd to another Silver team. 6 other players decided to follow us ( I swear we had nothing to do with it) so the coach from the previous team requested and was approved to go back down to Bronze.
 
They have an automated system to request promotion. Only 2nd - 3rd teams can use the system. We finished 4th last year but a strong winning record and a forfeit that dropped us from 3rd to 4th but were told could not appeal as 4th place team. We finished 1st this year and will move up.
 
I have been able to find last year's silver elite G06 in CSL here and am comparing it to this year's Gold G06 here. Only three of the 8 teams in Silver Elite last year played in Gold the next year.

1. Socal Academy went to SCDSL the next year.
2. Empire SC returned Gold
3. Oxnard Pal returned Gold
4. FRAM Nunez G06 is gone altogether
5(tie). South Valley returned Gold
5 (tie). Eagles went Silver Alpha and lost all their games, meaning that team probably lost key players
7. FC Golden State went Silver North and finished lower-middle
8. FRAM Gidney went to SCDSL

It seems like at least those that were not at the very bottom got promoted to gold. The only one I question if it was involuntarily relegated was FC Golden State in 2nd to last, but that could have been voluntary because it seems like they should have at least been allowed to stay Silver Elite rather than Silver.

On the other hand, only 3 teams accepted promotion to gold (and there were only 6 teams total in the group!). One went undefeated in Silver and went far, if not all the way, in playoffs. Another finished at the top of another Silver Group. And the last one, no idea where they came from (FC Valencia?) - and they finished the season without any wins. There were 4 Silver groups, and only two teams appeared to be promoted to gold from them.

Conclusions:

1. Most of the teams in Silver Elite will be promoted to Gold in Gold's first year.
2. Hard to get promoted to Gold directly from Silver.
3. Quitting CSL and going to flight 1 in SCDSL is a thing that exists.
4. CSL should stop being so stingy with the Gold. SCDSL's model of giving everyone "Flight 1" status for free seems good for player and team retention.
 
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