Substitution Rules

Quote Bootizila, "The reality is that most of these sub rules are not followed by the match officals. This especially holds true in the scdsl. Yes in National cup, and the DA. But Ive seen a many of DA matches where the subs flowed freely and unlimited"

What location, date, time?

You are such a buffoon that you don't even realize that the people you think respect you are laughing behind your back.
 
Yes mistakes do happen, but at higher levels administrative mistakes are not excused. Every referee working DA games signs the league agreement before they are assigned. Substitution is the most basic of basics.

I was surprised when I heard because the referee that made the mistake is very good. Evidently he had worked a PDL or NPSL game the day before and just spaced the substitute rules during the first half of the DA game. ARs realized the mistake and told the referee. I am assuming one of the coaches (probably losing coach) reported the mistake. Even the best referees in the world make mistakes.
 
I was surprised when I heard because the referee that made the mistake is very good. Evidently he had worked a PDL or NPSL game the day before and just spaced the substitute rules during the first half of the DA game. ARs realized the mistake and told the referee. I am assuming one of the coaches (probably losing coach) reported the mistake. Even the best referees in the world make mistakes.
Except jap
 
Quote Bootizila, "The reality is that most of these sub rules are not followed by the match officals. This especially holds true in the scdsl. Yes in National cup, and the DA. But Ive seen a many of DA matches where the subs flowed freely and unlimited"

What location, date, time?

He may be talking about the U-12 DA. The U12 DA does have unlimited subs. The U13/14 have 7 subs over three moments which may seem like unlimited.
 
I was surprised when I heard because the referee that made the mistake is very good. Evidently he had worked a PDL or NPSL game the day before and just spaced the substitute rules during the first half of the DA game. ARs realized the mistake and told the referee. I am assuming one of the coaches (probably losing coach) reported the mistake. Even the best referees in the world make mistakes.
If it is the same game I'm thinking of, it was one substitution and the restart was too fast for the referee to do anything about it except report it. The poster talked of many DA games where substitution rules were not enforced. That didn't happen.
 
In the U12-14 DA games I've seen in person or video some coaches and officials are still getting used to application of the sub rules and the detail accounting in the game reports.

For U13+ I've seen both coaches and officials argue about when subs are allowed, how many at a time, and how many total. The substitution pass card has all the info but getting every body to understand and use them properly is a small learning curve. The halftime subing is one area that has caused some confusion since it doesn't count as one of the 3 "moments". Why halftime is not a moment (tiny print on the card) is strange to some and that takes some getting used used to the terminology. A injury is a moment for example and counts as one of the 3 but I've seen them not count those and teams getting 3 other moments plus the half time sub. There is also a special suspected head injury sub rule that allows a temp sub for evals purposes but some don't know about that one much either.

The post game completion of the game day report/stats by the ref crew for the goals, subs, and misconducts that is verified by both clubs before they sign is suppose to catch any discrepancies. The number of misconducts on the reports vs actual in the game seems to be the one of the other area of concern during these reviews.
 
In the U12-14 DA games I've seen in person or video some coaches and officials are still getting used to application of the sub rules and the detail accounting in the game reports.

For U13+ I've seen both coaches and officials argue about when subs are allowed, how many at a time, and how many total. The substitution pass card has all the info but getting every body to understand and use them properly is a small learning curve. The halftime subing is one area that has caused some confusion since it doesn't count as one of the 3 "moments". Why halftime is not a moment (tiny print on the card) is strange to some and that takes some getting used used to the terminology. A injury is a moment for example and counts as one of the 3 but I've seen them not count those and teams getting 3 other moments plus the half time sub. There is also a special suspected head injury sub rule that allows a temp sub for evals purposes but some don't know about that one much either.

The post game completion of the game day report/stats by the ref crew for the goals, subs, and misconducts that is verified by both clubs before they sign is suppose to catch any discrepancies. The number of misconducts on the reports vs actual in the game seems to be the one of the other area of concern during these reviews.[/QUOTEThat is why referees must read the handbook and pass a mandatory quiz before they can be assigned to any game.
 
In the U12-14 DA games I've seen in person or video some coaches and officials are still getting used to application of the sub rules and the detail accounting in the game reports.

For U13+ I've seen both coaches and officials argue about when subs are allowed, how many at a time, and how many total. The substitution pass card has all the info but getting every body to understand and use them properly is a small learning curve. The halftime subing is one area that has caused some confusion since it doesn't count as one of the 3 "moments". Why halftime is not a moment (tiny print on the card) is strange to some and that takes some getting used used to the terminology. A injury is a moment for example and counts as one of the 3 but I've seen them not count those and teams getting 3 other moments plus the half time sub. There is also a special suspected head injury sub rule that allows a temp sub for evals purposes but some don't know about that one much either.

The post game completion of the game day report/stats by the ref crew for the goals, subs, and misconducts that is verified by both clubs before they sign is suppose to catch any discrepancies. The number of misconducts on the reports vs actual in the game seems to be the one of the other area of concern during these reviews.
That is why referees must read the game day procedures and pass a mandatory quiz before being assigned to these games.
 
No, you haven't. Referees like to do these matches and the ones assigned to them are well beyond the threshold where such basic things as knowing or reviewing substitution rules is an issue. Besides, why would a referee of this caliber jeopardize their chances of further assignments by ignoring basic and easily enforceable fundamentals like substitution rules?
No, you haven't. Referees like to do these matches and the ones assigned to them are well beyond the threshold where such basic things as knowing or reviewing substitution rules is an issue. Besides, why would a referee of this caliber jeopardize their chances of further assignments by ignoring basic and easily enforceable fundamentals like substitution rules?

Just A Parent, or should I say Just A Referee, (sorry J.A.P, i could not help myself) I'm sorry but it has happened and it does happen. As primarily a coach (I also have been ref'n for 15+ years) it does happen. To simply state that it is too easy to follow the rules and thus does not happen is naive to say the least. As for the date, and match of said offences, I have very little desire to throw a ref (or a coach) under the bus on a public forum, much less do the research and track back to the specifics offences. Also while I do not coach in the DA, I do and have coached in csl and scdsl for many years and I can not tell you how many times I have had to "help" the match officials as it pertains to:

1. the official rules of the gaming circuit n question. You find some who incorectly apply scdsl rules to CSL or vice verse.
2. improper understanding of the LOTG. " you can't score on a KO", Yes you were off side (in my own d half?), he got the ball first so it CAN"T be a foul.
3. Refs not following assessors mandates regarding "requested" water breaks, or other points of emphasis.
3. Match officials in SCDSL making threats of issuing cards in my fore mentioned post regarding subs. in essence not following league rules.

J.A.P.
"In view of contradicting information on this and other issues in this specific league, I took the liberty of contacting the league head honcho directly. I carry her email with me stating coaches and not referees, are responsible for monitoring the reentries. Every now and then a coach would voice a complaint and I show them the email from the league."

This is key to why I even posted on this thread. As it relates to subsitution (and unfortunatly too many other issues) so much that should be cut and dry is not. Thus between coaches who use subsitution as a tactic to either time waste or to play a level of high pressing that would be impossible with limited subs/re entry, and refs who do not know or chose not to enforce the proper subsituition rules (and or LOTG) of any gaming circuit this (Subsitution) issue WILL continue to be a major point of discussion/contenion.

Just A Parent, the question I have for you is why are you so invested in maintaining the illusion of the nobility and sanctity of EVERY MATCH OFFICIAL?. We can continue to digress and make this a thread which is NOT about the topic at hand, but if so WHY?

Respectfully
 
Just A Parent, the question I have for you is why are you so invested in maintaining the illusion of the nobility and sanctity of EVERY MATCH OFFICIAL?. We can continue to digress and make this a thread which is NOT about the topic at hand, but if so WHY?

Sometimes you know how a person deals with other people by the way he deals with you.

I know from personal experience that JaP has lied about me, so I start from there.
 
Just A Parent, or should I say Just A Referee, (sorry J.A.P, i could not help myself) I'm sorry but it has happened and it does happen. As primarily a coach (I also have been ref'n for 15+ years) it does happen. To simply state that it is too easy to follow the rules and thus does not happen is naive to say the least. As for the date, and match of said offences, I have very little desire to throw a ref (or a coach) under the bus on a public forum, much less do the research and track back to the specifics offences. Also while I do not coach in the DA, I do and have coached in csl and scdsl for many years and I can not tell you how many times I have had to "help" the match officials as it pertains to:

1. the official rules of the gaming circuit n question. You find some who incorectly apply scdsl rules to CSL or vice verse.
2. improper understanding of the LOTG. " you can't score on a KO", Yes you were off side (in my own d half?), he got the ball first so it CAN"T be a foul.
3. Refs not following assessors mandates regarding "requested" water breaks, or other points of emphasis.
3. Match officials in SCDSL making threats of issuing cards in my fore mentioned post regarding subs. in essence not following league rules.

J.A.P.
"In view of contradicting information on this and other issues in this specific league, I took the liberty of contacting the league head honcho directly. I carry her email with me stating coaches and not referees, are responsible for monitoring the reentries. Every now and then a coach would voice a complaint and I show them the email from the league."

This is key to why I even posted on this thread. As it relates to subsitution (and unfortunatly too many other issues) so much that should be cut and dry is not. Thus between coaches who use subsitution as a tactic to either time waste or to play a level of high pressing that would be impossible with limited subs/re entry, and refs who do not know or chose not to enforce the proper subsituition rules (and or LOTG) of any gaming circuit this (Subsitution) issue WILL continue to be a major point of discussion/contenion.

Just A Parent, the question I have for you is why are you so invested in maintaining the illusion of the nobility and sanctity of EVERY MATCH OFFICIAL?. We can continue to digress and make this a thread which is NOT about the topic at hand, but if so WHY?

Respectfully
None of the referees who work DA games would do any of the things you describe here. If they did they wouldn't be assigned to them in the first place. If you know one, let's hear it.
 
Sometimes you know how a person deals with other people by the way he deals with you.

I know from personal experience that JaP has lied about me, so I start from there.
A supposed adult who discusses little girls' underwear or who doesn't accept responsibility when caught trying to circumvent rules deserves nothing less than to be treated with contempt.
 
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