What’s the latest with West Coast FC/OC Surf merger

timbuck said:
When will OC Surf teams officially drop the West Coast gear?
I saw several teams this weekend rocking full west coast kits. Including parents on the sidelines and stickers on the SUVs.
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They told us after ECNL finishes, so June.
 
3JMommy said:
Some teams have already converted--the new uniforms just say Surf--not OC surf, so you may have seen some west coast teams without realizing it.
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Didn't think full kits are ready to purchase. Just the practice/training shirts which only say "Surf", soccer.com is the supplier, anyone can take a look ...
 
anyone else have their coaches contacting your players or other kids on your teams via phone? One new coach at OC Surf took parent contacts with him and is having other coaches calling them. He will deny it, but no other way to get the numbers of players getting called. Another coach has been bugging a player even after the parent told him not to call them again, the call wasnt solicited and the parents are wondering how he got their number. A friend of mine's team has been on an full out defense to stop kids getting poached. Even had to send out articles and info about the sale and promises they are making.

Coaches are going to hand out cards at tournaments and ask about players, some folks have almost become accustomed to that happening. Ethical coaches still get mad, but know its been part of the equation for decades. When coaches start calling up people out of the blue or start sending other kids/parents to talk to players, that is straight out DOUCHERY. Need a new mechanism where you should get your licenses revoked by doing stuff like that
 
See my previous post...get used to this as it will only get worse as the mega clubs continue to consolidate and fight for supremacy. They have no track record of in-house development and wouldn't know where to start so they need to poach to coach.
 
Not_that_Serious said:
anyone else have their coaches contacting your players or other kids on your teams via phone? One new coach at OC Surf took parent contacts with him and is having other coaches calling them. He will deny it, but no other way to get the numbers of players getting called. Another coach has been bugging a player even after the parent told him not to call them again, the call wasnt solicited and the parents are wondering how he got their number. A friend of mine's team has been on an full out defense to stop kids getting poached. Even had to send out articles and info about the sale and promises they are making.

Coaches are going to hand out cards at tournaments and ask about players, some folks have almost become accustomed to that happening. Ethical coaches still get mad, but know its been part of the equation for decades. When coaches start calling up people out of the blue or start sending other kids/parents to talk to players, that is straight out DOUCHERY. Need a new mechanism where you should get your licenses revoked by doing stuff like that
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It is certainly douchey to do this. But I don't think there is anything you can do about it. It's pretty easy to hunt down parents of kids if a coach wants to get ahold of them. Rosters are publised for all leagues and many tournaments. See a player. Check facebook or linkedin for parent information. Send a message.

But I think you'd be surprised how many coaches have accumulated names and numbers over the years. Attend a camp when your kid was 9? I guarantee someone has the information. Register for a tryout and never attend? That is definitely out there somewhere.

I don't know that coaches sign any type of confidentiality clause that they won't be able to use player information. And I don't think clubs have anything in their agreements that they can't share your information.
 
timbuck said:
It is certainly douchey to do this. But I don't think there is anything you can do about it. It's pretty easy to hunt down parents of kids if a coach wants to get ahold of them. Rosters are publised for all leagues and many tournaments. See a player. Check facebook or linkedin for parent information. Send a message.

But I think you'd be surprised how many coaches have accumulated names and numbers over the years. Attend a camp when your kid was 9? I guarantee someone has the information. Register for a tryout and never attend? That is definitely out there somewhere.

I don't know that coaches sign any type of confidentiality clause that they won't be able to use player information. And I don't think clubs have anything in their agreements that they can't share your information.
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The easiest one, is when a team manager or a parent leaves and just give the coach all the e-mails and numbers from previous team
 
timbuck said:
It is certainly douchey to do this. But I don't think there is anything you can do about it. It's pretty easy to hunt down parents of kids if a coach wants to get ahold of them. Rosters are publised for all leagues and many tournaments. See a player. Check facebook or linkedin for parent information. Send a message.

But I think you'd be surprised how many coaches have accumulated names and numbers over the years. Attend a camp when your kid was 9? I guarantee someone has the information. Register for a tryout and never attend? That is definitely out there somewhere.

I don't know that coaches sign any type of confidentiality clause that they won't be able to use player information. And I don't think clubs have anything in their agreements that they can't share your information.
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Registrars have access to any player in Cal South.
 
This is not new and it’s everywhere. No big deal. Unsolicited phone calls? Several over the years.

There’s no ethics in club soccer. Oh those ecnl and DA date restrictions? Clubs and players seem to bend rules about those too.
 
LASTMAN14 said:
Registrars have access to any player in Cal South.
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Forgot about that fact. although the registrar is suppose to be the moral authority at the club - guess on it depends on the morality of the club.

As far is not being a big deal, it can be when its small clubs. Ive seen a clubs pull kids with various things - stupidest bribe being new cleats. Parents sold kids cheap. Seen shady approaches, but the onslaught of calling just about every kid on a team was a first. Some of the coaches getting kids Pre-High School and seeing if they can get them into the High Schools they coach at.

As far as no ethics in club soccer, not entirely true. People (admins, coaches) I know dont call kids or approach them at tournaments. Hell, coaches I know wont even tell a kid to come to their club until AFTER they are done with Cup games - unlike some of these Big Clubs. Again, Ive seen some stupid stuff, but not at that scale.
 
I heard of a parent emailing a team manager falsifying he was a parent of a player on the team. He requested to also add his email address to the team distribution list. It was a new account. This parent is now a coach.
 
But at the end of the day, a player can only be poached if they (or their parents) want to be. So what's the big deal? Just say no if you are not interested. But to some, it may be a blessing of they get an offer from a club/team/coach they never thought they could be with.
 
Back on topic-
Was talking soccer shop with a few people at a few different times over the weekend and among other items, OC Surf/West Coast was discussed. Anyone with more knowledge than me comment on these items:
  • I heard from a friend that many of their former ECNL players are looking at all outside options. Either they don't like who will be coaching DA or they want to play high school. I know a few of their Pre-Academy girls have moved to a funded 05 program for the upcoming year.
  • They also mentioned fields being a big issue since they did not renew with Great Park. Where will OC Surf practice/play this year?
    • Which teams will practice where? On their website they list:
      • Irvine: Concordia University, OC Great Park
      • Mission Viejo (Both of these are basically Newhart Middle School/Norman Murray Community Center): Oso Fields Village Green Fields B&C
      • San Juan Capistrano: San Juan Hills High School, Ambuehl Elementary, J Serra
      • Lake Forest: Lake Forest Sports Complex
  • Their 04 Team that was Flight 1 this past season (finished in last place, but had a decent run in President's cup), will be their DPL team for the upcoming season.
    • Will this be a combo of the flight 1 team and ecnl team? Any movement between these teams? (IE - anyone from ECNL or F1 moving to DA? Or from DA to the DPL team?)
  • Their tournament scheduled for mid-August is still titled "West Coast Futbol Classic"
  • Have Surf uniform orders been placed yet?
 
timbuck said:
Back on topic-
  • They also mentioned fields being a big issue since they did not renew with Great Park. Where will OC Surf practice/play this year?
    • Which teams will practice where? On their website they list:
      • Irvine: Concordia University, OC Great Park
      • Mission Viejo (Both of these are basically Newhart Middle School/Norman Murray Community Center): Oso Fields Village Green Fields B&C
      • San Juan Capistrano: San Juan Hills High School, Ambuehl Elementary, J Serra
      • Lake Forest: Lake Forest Sports Complex
  • Their tournament scheduled for mid-August is still titled "West Coast Futbol Classic"
  • Have Surf uniform orders been placed yet?
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Here's what I know... Several olders boys teams are continuing to use JSerra for training. This facility is shared with the Blues and a Capo FC, the latter stay on south end/softball fields. Correct, tournament still called West Coast Futbol Classic, but the golf tournament / ball drop has been renamed to "OC Surf Golf Tournament and Ball Drop". No uniforms placed yet for the boys ECNL teams.
 
JackZ said:
Here's what I know... Several olders boys teams are continuing to use JSerra for training. This facility is shared with the Blues and a Capo FC, the latter stay on south end/softball fields. Correct, tournament still called West Coast Futbol Classic, but the golf tournament / ball drop has been renamed to "OC Surf Golf Tournament and Ball Drop". No uniforms placed yet for the boys ECNL teams.
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They are going to have boys ECNL next year but girls will be DA?
 
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