NATIONAL CUP O5 2018

ladoctorr said:
Just for fun, and I know it’s always a interesting topic within youth development and something we overlook at this “must win” time of the year but who do you think will be the better team at U16 (when it really matters)?
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Three years from now who knows how many of the same girls will be on the same team. SD Surf and LAFC both put out quality teams, both put girls in college and on National Team flip a coin. Why does winning at U16 really matter?[/QUOTE]

your correct- 1/3 may have stopped playing, 1/3 will be on a different team and maybe 1/3 are still playing together. Its about your DD development vs. who has the better team. Yes we all like to win and be competitive and this time of year puts a spotlight on that but many things will change from now to U16.
 
Johnbsail said:
Must say I was a little disappointed with both Slammers and Surf today. Surf didn’t look their usual self possessing the ball and almost looked tired/nervous. Although they tried to stick to their style, it was harder for them to break down Slammers. I still appreciate the way surf tries to play though and think they’re a joy to watch.

Slammers on the other hand played very direct and looked to turn the game into a scrappy physical battle which certainly disrupted Surf’s game. It looked very much like an old Strikers and CB style of playing, putting the ball into areas, turning the team, and looking to capitalize on mistakes.

Either way these are easily the two top teams in the state and this was the National Cup Final in my opinion. Both team deserved to be in the final but unfortunately the luck of PK’s had to decide it today.

Just my two cense...[/QUOTE

PKS stink
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ladoctorr said:
Just for fun, and I know it’s always a interesting topic within youth development and something we overlook at this “must win” time of the year but who do you think will be the better team at U16 (when it really matters)?
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Three years from now who knows how many of the same girls will be on the same team. SD Surf and LAFC both put out quality teams, both put girls in college and on National Team flip a coin. Why does winning at U16 really matter?[/QUOTE]

My 2 pesos. When does winning ever matter in the big big picture? answer never. But in the prism of sports its measured on a scoreboard and we all accept that as part of the deal. Learning how to win is developing too. When they are little the parents sometimes are more worried about the wins and losses than the kids. They are old enough at 16 to understand the correlation between work and reward. At age 16 If they have been developed as far as how to play and hone skills sometimes it just comes down to gut and grit. So that is where you find out what you have. That is what will get you to the next level. You can have all the talent in the world but you dont have heart then it is useless. And that is why winning counts at 16.
 
jose said:
Three years from now who knows how many of the same girls will be on the same team. SD Surf and LAFC both put out quality teams, both put girls in college and on National Team flip a coin. Why does winning at U16 really matter?
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My 2 pesos. When does winning ever matter in the big big picture? answer never. But in the prism of sports its measured on a scoreboard and we all accept that as part of the deal. Learning how to win is developing too. When they are little the parents sometimes are more worried about the wins and losses than the kids. They are old enough at 16 to understand the correlation between work and reward. At age 16 If they have been developed as far as how to play and hone skills sometimes it just comes down to gut and grit. So that is where you find out what you have. That is what will get you to the next level. You can have all the talent in the world but you dont have heart then it is useless. And that is why winning counts at 16.[/QUOTE]

Sorry I probably should clarify. I meant who will be the better team / individuals at U16 when it really matters with college coaches looking at the teams and players.

I don’t think winning in youth soccer is ever the priority. I think if you asked 99% of the girls playing if they could win ever National Cup or go to the college or their choice I know they’ll pick college of their choice.

From what I’ve seen this year, Surf seems to have a clear development pathway and plan for their players and you can clearly see the same playing style from their 2007s up to their 2003s (across different coaches). I don’t see that many other clubs in So Cal trying to at least do the same thing across all ages.
 
ladoctorr said:
Just for fun, and I know it’s always a interesting topic within youth development and something we overlook at this “must win” time of the year but who do you think will be the better team at U16 (when it really matters)?
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Three years from now who knows how many of the same girls will be on the same team. SD Surf and LAFC both put out quality teams, both put girls in college and on National Team flip a coin. Why does winning at U16 really matter?[/QUOTE]
Right now Surf has a couple of players that can muscle their way to the goal. I thought this was going to give them the advantage in Nationals. It will be fun to watch the development of both teams to see their style after puberty.
 
I was hoping for an all San Diego final but Slammers are on a roll. Anyone see the game today? I was expecting Slammers to win but not an ass whooping.
 
[QUOTE="Brookfield 1-0 over Galaxy? Wow! That's unexpected. Any given Sunday (or Saturday in this case) I suppose. Anyone with the story behind this?[/QUOTE]

I will qualify my summary with the fact that I know very little about soccer tactics (not my game growing up).

This was not the best soccer game to watch...a lot of "kick ball" from both sides. Surf B let the center backs for South Bay dictate the flow of the game. This was the same approach that led to a 1-1 first half score in bracket play. A free kick was awarded to Surf just outside of the box before half (1-0). Galaxy had quite a few free kicks themselves (from similar spots) but were unable to put one in the back of the net. Surf B stayed with their defensive approach in the second half. I was surprised to see this strategy work on the big field. I assumed that eventually both the width and the length of the field would yield a goal to a very talented and skilled Galaxy team. I was also watching Blues Holley (06) use a similar approach on the small field and there was very little space to connect passes.

Anyhow a great run so far for Surf's 2nd team, scary game tomorrow for them :)
 
LASTMAN14 said:
Ask Farley.
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Just messaged her. Sounds like it was a frustrating game. Wish we could have been there to support (we were definitely considering it), but Galway Downs is quite a drive.

I'm guessing odds are in Slammers' favor to win it all now - no disrespect to the Brookfield team of course.
 
sdklutz said:
[QUOTE="Brookfield 1-0 over Galaxy? Wow! That's unexpected. Any given Sunday (or Saturday in this case) I suppose. Anyone with the story behind this?
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I will qualify my summary with the fact that I know very little about soccer tactics (not my game growing up).

This was not the best soccer game to watch...a lot of "kick ball" from both sides. Surf B let the center backs for South Bay dictate the flow of the game. This was the same approach that led to a 1-1 first half score in bracket play. A free kick was awarded to Surf just outside of the box before half (1-0). Galaxy had quite a few free kicks themselves (from similar spots) but were unable to put one in the back of the net. Surf B stayed with their defensive approach in the second half. I was surprised to see this strategy work on the big field. I assumed that eventually both the width and the length of the field would yield a goal to a very talented and skilled Galaxy team. I was also watching Blues Holley (06) use a similar approach on the small field and there was very little space to connect passes.

Anyhow a great run so far for Surf's 2nd team, scary game tomorrow for them :)[/QUOTE]
I'm rooting for a cinderella story!
 
Hank Walker said:
Moving forward, Surf B prefers (appropriately at this point) to be called Surf A. :)
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To be fair, they have had quite a few breaks go there way in this tournament. Including getting the last wildcard and a round of 16 game against Arsenal instead of their big sisters (Surf A).
 
jose said:
Slammers AW advances. It's still early but CB coached that team all year. CB coached teams going for 3 peat. 4 Final in last 4 years. Maybe something to it
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Its worth quoting my own quote. I put by accident on the 2006 page that Slammers was the sleeper pick. I got laughed at but i meant 05 Right church wrong pew. But congrats to Slammers. CB and AW CB teams 4 time finalist 3 peat. Bravo.....good to see AW healthy
 
jose said:
Its worth quoting my own quote. I put by accident on the 2006 page that Slammers was the sleeper pick. I got laughed at but i meant 05 Right church wrong pew. But congrats to Slammers. CB and AW CB teams 4 time finalist 3 peat. Bravo.....good to see AW healthy
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Congtulations to Slammers!

Would be interesting to see how many players from the orignal State Cup win survived the vigerous recruiting from CB and played in this championship?
 
jose said:
funny. but hard to argue against success.
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I know of at least 3 that have been with CB since U9. And that moved over from Blues 2 or 2 years ago. And 1 that was with CB, moved away for a few years and moved back to OC in the last year or so.
 
That isn’t a very high number of returning players if the goal is truly development. If you really want to talk about development LA Galaxy South Bay has 13 out of the 15 girls on the team that have been with Galaxy South Bay for over 3 years. Most of them started playing club at Galaxy South Bay at U9 and some of them from flight 2 teams at South Bay that were developed and promoted. The only two girls from outside the club were added this year when 3 of the players got moved up to the Academy (those 3 players also started their club experience at South Bay). There will always be turnover and some new players added, but if it’s the clubs’ job to develop players then I believe the numbers should look something like this.
 
StyleOfPlay said:
That isn’t a very high number of returning players if the goal is truly development. If you really want to talk about development LA Galaxy South Bay has 13 out of the 15 girls on the team that have been with Galaxy South Bay for over 3 years. Most of them started playing club at Galaxy South Bay at U9 and some of them from flight 2 teams at South Bay that were developed and promoted. The only two girls from outside the club were added this year when 3 of the players got moved up to the Academy (those 3 players also started their club experience at South Bay). There will always be turnover and some new players added, but if it’s the clubs’ job to develop players then I believe the numbers should look something like this.
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Could be more. I just personally know of those players.
 
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