National Cup 2017

GoPats said:
I think you have the two Slammers team mixed up. Looks to me like "Slammers AW" is actually Slammers AWCB 1 and "Slammers CB" is Slammers AWCB 2. I am not sure why AWCB 2 would be seeded ahead of AWCB 1 in the tournament, but that is the way it looks to me. If so, I would think CDA got a tougher draw than expected and San Diego Navy an easier path to win their group.
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I don't know how you can tell, but would agree with your assessment on the groups if you are right.

One interesting thing I just saw on the schedule is that groups J and K (the two groups of 3 instead of 4) actually play the three teams from the opposite group instead of just playing two games within their group. What if SD Surf A wins their first two games (including beating Anaheim) and is in position to win their group regardless of whether they win their 3rd game (which is against SD Surf B). Could they sandbag that last game in order to allow their sister team to win the group? Not saying they would, but it seems like a schedule like this makes it possible and I love a good conspiracy theory.
 
sdb said:
Since I'm on a conference call and don't really need to pay attention, I looked at the National Cup groups and a 16-team seeded single elimination tournament bracket.

Assuming no upsets and that all of the top teams win their groups (a big assumption), here's what a potential round of 16 looks like utilizing the Cal South seeding. No idea if this is how it will work however.

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So looking at the Ladder view, the round of 16 is set up this same way. Most likely, top seeds in each group won't all get through, and it's hard to predict the wild cards as well since they depend on the how tough the bracket is overall. One interesting match up in the pool play is the Surf Select vs. Anaheim Surf, which I think is a rematch of last year's final.
 
GoPats said:
I think you have the two Slammers team mixed up. Looks to me like "Slammers AW" is actually Slammers AWCB 1 and "Slammers CB" is Slammers AWCB 2. I am not sure why AWCB 2 would be seeded ahead of AWCB 1 in the tournament, but that is the way it looks to me. If so, I would think CDA got a tougher draw than expected and San Diego Navy an easier path to win their group.
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I had a Newport Slammers parent tell me the teams were mixed up, but I still don't see how. On the "Brackets" page B#15 lists Winn as the coach and C#14 lists Bull as the coach: https://cysa.affinitysoccer.com/tou...mentguid=8F336501-E4EB-43DD-8288-B1577107F046
 
StylinAndProfilin said:
I had a Newport Slammers parent tell me the teams were mixed up, but I still don't see how. On the "Brackets" page B#15 lists Winn as the coach and C#14 lists Bull as the coach: https://cysa.affinitysoccer.com/tou...mentguid=8F336501-E4EB-43DD-8288-B1577107F046
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Slammers naming of teams and interchangeable coaches causing confusion at 05 and 06 Nat Cup. Well, if we're talking tips I'll back Surf 06 Barclay to win, but Legends are huge and v direct so they're always a threat.
 
futboldad1 said:
Slammers naming of teams and interchangeable coaches causing confusion at 05 and 06 Nat Cup. Well, if we're talking tips I'll back Surf 06 Barclay to win, but Legends are huge and v direct so they're always a threat.
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If the Surf and Legends side of the bracket plays out as predicted by YSR and league play, then Surf and Legends will be playing in one of the semi-finals. A lot of soccer to be played, injuries & colds (knock on wood), etc. so don't count your chickens, but it would be a great match-up.
 
timbuck said:
My understanding with league flight placement in SCDSL is that Flight 2 and 3 are granted "no questions asked", but to play Flight 1- you have to prove that you are a flight 1 team. Either through prior league record, recent tournaments or showing that you have significantly upgraded your team.
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Interesting, as always, how some teams will elect to play down just to win a trophy not understanding or not caring that it is a disservice to their players. Oh well, it is a "trophy" for their club and helps pay them
 
GoPats said:
I think you have the two Slammers team mixed up. Looks to me like "Slammers AW" is actually Slammers AWCB 1 and "Slammers CB" is Slammers AWCB 2. I am not sure why AWCB 2 would be seeded ahead of AWCB 1 in the tournament, but that is the way it looks to me. If so, I would think CDA got a tougher draw than expected and San Diego Navy an easier path to win their group.
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We’ve actually played both teams and AW CB 2 was a better team than AW CB 1, but whatever, rankings are close. National Cup seeding considers more tourneys, not just gotsoccer, and SCDSL also, so more accurate than gotsoccer (you can argue).

How do you know that CB is AW CB2 and AW is AW CB1? Checked, and on the SCDSL team pages, coaches are reversed. You on the AW CB 1 team?

My picks are both Surfs (Ok, I’m a homer), Legends, and LAGSB are top picks to win with Anaheim Surf right there. I would say:

Surf A: 4/1
Legends: 4/1
LAGSB: 5/1
Anaheim Surf: 5/1
Albion: 7/1
Blues: 7/1
Surf B: 11/1
Surf C: 35/1
WCFC/OC Surf: 35/1
 
sdb said:
So looking at the Ladder view, the round of 16 is set up this same way. Most likely, top seeds in each group won't all get through, and it's hard to predict the wild cards as well since they depend on the how tough the bracket is overall. One interesting match up in the pool play is the Surf Select vs. Anaheim Surf, which I think is a rematch of last year's final.
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My $$ is on SD Surf to win this years match up with Anaheim
 
The J vs K bracket match up could be really interesting on the third day of group play. I think someone else may have pointed this out, but both Surf Select and Surf AB could come into the third game 2-0 and a Surf AB win would then eliminate Anaheim Surf. That scenario might create a few Surf conspiracy theories... Last year birth certificates, this year match fixing! ;):D
 
sdb said:
The J vs K bracket match up could be really interesting on the third day of group play. I think someone else may have pointed this out, but both Surf Select and Surf AB could come into the third game 2-0 and a Surf AB win would then eliminate Anaheim Surf. That scenario might create a few Surf conspiracy theories... Last year birth certificates, this year match fixing! ;):D
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And, lets keep the attorneys out of it too.
 
sdb said:
The J vs K bracket match up could be really interesting on the third day of group play. I think someone else may have pointed this out, but both Surf Select and Surf AB could come into the third game 2-0 and a Surf AB win would then eliminate Anaheim Surf. That scenario might create a few Surf conspiracy theories... Last year birth certificates, this year match fixing! ;):D
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I’m pretty sure AS would still get a WC spot even if that did happen.
 
Let's see if Cal-South can get something right and get the 06's playing on fields bigger than the 08/09's... Seeing some of these nearly full-grown sized girls playing on mini-fields makes the game UGLY and predictable.
 
MASA3 said:
Let's see if Cal-South can get something right and get the 06's playing on fields bigger than the 08/09's... Seeing some of these nearly full-grown sized girls playing on mini-fields makes the game UGLY and predictable.
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They should be fine. Silverlakes field size was perfect for the 06's during CRL and league.
 
2kDad said:
They should be fine. Silverlakes field size was perfect for the 06's during CRL and league.
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Every tournament we've played there, the fields have been on the 'way too small' side... I understand field pressure but having girls this big and powerful on tiny fields encourages 'ugly' soccer. When the gk's can kick the ball end to end, the game is ruined. My .02.

That said, I hope you are right!
 
MASA3 said:
Every tournament we've played there, the fields have been on the 'way too small' side... I understand field pressure but having girls this big and powerful on tiny fields encourages 'ugly' soccer. When the gk's can kick the ball end to end, the game is ruined. My .02.

That said, I hope you are right!
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I hope so too. Our team is big and fast and does amazing on larger fields so we are hoping for good size fields as well
 
MASA3 said:
Every tournament we've played there, the fields have been on the 'way too small' side... I understand field pressure but having girls this big and powerful on tiny fields encourages 'ugly' soccer. When the gk's can kick the ball end to end, the game is ruined. My .02.

That said, I hope you are right!
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Girls athleticism may encourage ugly soccer, but it's the coaches that succumb to allowing them to play that way. Only a handful of teams that try to play possession soccer with a purpose on the small field. It's amazing to watch the big and strong girls not just boot it but pull off combos, resets, switching, recognizing space, using skills in 1 vs 1, playing direct when it's there, but above all else teaching the girls to recognize what's there and what's not and taking advantage of what the defense gives them or forcing the defense to adjust by moving the ball.

I know everyone is dying for the big field, but it won't cure the ugly soccer that we blame the small field for.
 
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