Climate and Weather

Lion Eyes said:
Change happens regardless of human activity...
The question is can humans do anything rational or meaningful to stop or control climate change?
What have you done on the rational and meaningful front?
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I agree that climate change has and will continue to happen regardless of human activity. But heavy reliance on fossil fuels accelerates global warming.

All people die, regardless of how well they take care of themselves. But smoking increases the risk of dying early.

Want to stop global warming? Less reliance upon fossil fuels is a good start.
 
Daniel Miller said:
I agree. CO2 levels have risen and fallen dramatically. The Earth warms and cools cyclically. But I am not sure there has ever been a period in Earths history, certainly not since the KT extinction event, where climate change with such pace. Usually it takes thousands of years, in the case of Pleistocene ice ages, to tens of millions of years, in the case of Cryogenian Snowball Earth. We are seeing climate change in a space of less than 100 years.
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There is nothing unprecedented about the pace or amount of change in global temps today.
 
Ricky Fandango said:
Lets pretend that NASA is unbiased, and above reproach, and that there is no political element to what gets peer review, and what doesn't.
You stated that the current climate change is unprecedented, and that humans are the cause.
NASA says that the current climate change is likely to be a result of human activity.

Two completely different things.

I'll let you respond to this point before going further.
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Actually, it says "extremely likely." That's good enough for now, for me.
 
Daniel Miller said:
I agree that climate change has and will continue to happen regardless of human activity. But heavy reliance on fossil fuels accelerates global warming.

All people die, regardless of how well they take care of themselves. But smoking increases the risk of dying early.

Want to stop global warming? Less reliance upon fossil fuels is a good start.
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At this point, we are not going to stop it, and not because climate change denial has somehow become mixed in with the latest Fascist creeds. We're already over the curve and we better get ready for the hard landing.
 
Daniel Miller said:
I agree that climate change has and will continue to happen regardless of human activity. But heavy reliance on fossil fuels accelerates global warming.

All people die, regardless of how well they take care of themselves. But smoking increases the risk of dying early.

Want to stop global warming? Less reliance upon fossil fuels is a good start.
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You stated nothing new, pretty much everybody here knows & agree's with you.
What should be done that is reasonable and/or rational that can and will affect climate change?
 
Wez said:
Not say this?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/265895292191248385?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=http://fortune.com/2016/09/26/presidential-debate-donald-trump-china-climate-change/

dump: "The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive."
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The political concept of AWG was used to cut the nuts off of US industry and global influence.
The political climate accord was used to redistribute and dismantle US wealth and power.
Both political actions have been met with a political response from the new US President.
 
Ricky Fandango said:
The political concept of AWG was used to cut the nuts off of US industry and global influence.
The political climate accord was used to redistribute and dismantle US wealth and power.
Both political actions have been met with a political response from the new US President.
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A more perfect summary of you, I've never seen in a single response.
 
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