Stat Analysis: Most Girls DA Clubs without Prior ECNL Experience Struggling

"Nothing will change - it is all about money and wins to keep the paying parents coming... No need to spend your time doing what you did - all it does is continue to foster and fuel the problem."

Bullseye!
 
Winning is developing. There are not any colleges that want kids that are okay with losing. Those coaches lose plush jobs if it is important to the alumni. The developing of skills and schemes is during the week at practice. You have to test what you learned. Games are probably the best teacher. Mistakes are made and sometimes they are critical mistakes and that is a great tool. If every game goes perfectly then where do you grow? "If winning wasn't important then why are there scoreboards"? <---Vince Lombardi
 
jose said:
Winning is developing. There are not any colleges that want kids that are okay with losing. Those coaches lose plush jobs if it is important to the alumni. The developing of skills and schemes is during the week at practice. You have to test what you learned. Games are probably the best teacher. Mistakes are made and sometimes they are critical mistakes and that is a great tool. If every game goes perfectly then where do you grow? "If winning wasn't important then why are there scoreboards"? <---Vince Lombardi
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At the Lombardi level, all that counts is winning. At lower levels that profess to prioritize an amorphous thing called "development" in order to provide a stream of excellent players for Lombardi et fils, winning is only a shallow measure of that purpose.
 
espola said:
At the Lombardi level, all that counts is winning. At lower levels that profess to prioritize an amorphous thing called "development" in order to provide a stream of excellent players for Lombardi et fils, winning is only a shallow measure of that purpose.
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respectfully disagree. Learning how to win means scratching and clawing your way even when you are overmatched. The will to win is what coaches look for. At least if I were a college coach with a cushy job (in comparison to other) that what i would be watching for. If you are DA age hopefully you got your development (skills/ general to good idea) of how to play. If you dont have those at this age you probably won't ever have them unless you are a freaky athlete. Just my opinion.
 
jose said:
respectfully disagree. Learning how to win means scratching and clawing your way even when you are overmatched. The will to win is what coaches look for. At least if I were a college coach with a cushy job (in comparison to other) that what i would be watching for. If you are DA age hopefully you got your development (skills/ general to good idea) of how to play. If you dont have those at this age you probably won't ever have them unless you are a freaky athlete. Just my opinion.
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It seems that your opinion would eliminate the need for DA altogether. Just look for players on the winningest youth teams.
 
espola said:
It seems that your opinion would eliminate the need for DA altogether. Just look for players on the winningest youth teams.
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No that is not what im saying. If US soccer is trying to teach what they want their soccer players to be then the DA is their pipeline. They want the hungriest kids. They want talented kids. They will filter out until they get the type player they want. Look at DA teams now. Coaches will and are not inviting kids back. Some teams only resigning as few as 2 players and recruiting the rest. Developing doesn't mean taking on a project and trying to make someone that is a tier 2 player into a tier 1 player. At least I don't believe that is what the DA is trying to do. Now if you are a college coach you will look at the winningest teams. Most recruiters cant be bothered with watching pool play. They watch the clubs that are consistently playing in the last games because they probably have the most talent. They look at the heavy hitters surf, Blues, West Coast, Slammers etc. If a kid is talented they are playing at one of those. But there is always the exceptions.
 
jose said:
No that is not what im saying. If US soccer is trying to teach what they want their soccer players to be then the DA is their pipeline. They want the hungriest kids. They want talented kids. They will filter out until they get the type player they want. Look at DA teams now. Coaches will and are not inviting kids back. Some teams only resigning as few as 2 players and recruiting the rest. Developing doesn't mean taking on a project and trying to make someone that is a tier 2 player into a tier 1 player. At least I don't believe that is what the DA is trying to do. Now if you are a college coach you will look at the winningest teams. Most recruiters cant be bothered with watching pool play. They watch the clubs that are consistently playing in the last games because they probably have the most talent. They look at the heavy hitters surf, Blues, West Coast, Slammers etc. If a kid is talented they are playing at one of those. But there is always the exceptions.
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What color was the koolaid they gave you?
 
jose said:
tell me where im wrong
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On the men's side of DA, the program was instituted with a 10-year plan to raise American player level to the prevailing international standard. Now that some DA players have started to be integrated into the national team level, we can see the results - failed to qualify for WC for the first time in 30 years.
 
espola said:
On the men's side of DA, the program was instituted with a 10-year plan to raise American player level to the prevailing international standard. Now that some DA players have started to be integrated into the national team level, we can see the results - failed to qualify for WC for the first time in 30 years.
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So what does that have to do with anything i said? I really don't care about the mens side. My boys don't play soccer. My girls do. Women's team seems to be doing fine. If people smarter than either you or me want to implement a plan then great. And since you don't have a plan or a system ill go with the pros. That road is to the next level is always paved with nay sayers........ And no i don't think my DDs are going to play at that level.
 
jose said:
So what does that have to do with anything i said? I really don't care about the mens side. My boys don't play soccer. My girls do. Women's team seems to be doing fine. If people smarter than either you or me want to implement a plan then great. And since you don't have a plan or a system ill go with the pros. That road is to the next level is always paved with nay sayers........ And no i don't think my DDs are going to play at that level.
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The women's side is doing fine with its disorganized program, because no one else has figured out how to do it better (but watch out for Japan and China). However, we need more than slogans on the men's side.
 
espola said:
The women's side is doing fine with its disorganized program, because no one else has figured out how to do it better (but watch out for Japan and China). However, we need more than slogans on the men's side.
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Well, China and Japan are training 6 days a week for top teams and 5 days a week for club teams. China also now has mandatory instruction in soccer for all grades plus they are establishing special schools just for soccer training like they do for many sports. I doubt parents in this country would ever go for that, they already freak out that the older girls that are in DA train 4 days a week. Our National teams don't train together year round either.
 
espola said:
On the men's side of DA, the program was instituted with a 10-year plan to raise American player level to the prevailing international standard. Now that some DA players have started to be integrated into the national team level, we can see the results - failed to qualify for WC for the first time in 30 years.
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Over simplified comment.
 
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