2018 ODP West Schedule is out.

Fact said:
There will always be enough top quality players to have a great team. 98% of the top players are not playing DA and will not for all the reasons already identified. The problem is that scouts will not bother to look at lower level teams for a gem. And Mace is a great example of a player that got no respect. I am sure her coach recommended her to ODP but the scouts probably did not want to waste their time on a low level game. For everyone that has seen scouts at games, I bet your team is a top 25 team in Socal or your coach is somehow connected to the ODP coaches or scouts. Or at the very least, you're in a Nike club. Don't believe me, look at the clubs the players come from.
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What? 98% of the top players are not playing DA? This is simply not true.

People are blindly repeating Mace's feelgood story hatched by Foudy and others. The truth is that while she also played volleyball, she played HS soccer and for Eagles SC, and was identified at an ECNL event. Hardly the "UCLA coach scouted her at a rec game and found the diamond in the rough". She was a well known quantity by everyone by the time she accepted her offer.

ODP used to serve a purpose. But the DA has killed it.
 
JoeBieber said:
What? 98% of the top players are not playing DA? This is simply not true.

People are blindly repeating Mace's feelgood story hatched by Foudy and others. The truth is that while she also played volleyball, she played HS soccer and for Eagles SC, and was identified at an ECNL event. Hardly the "UCLA coach scouted her at a rec game and found the diamond in the rough". She was a well known quantity by everyone by the time she accepted her offer.

ODP used to serve a purpose. But the DA has killed it.
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I am not going to look for it but I believe earlier in this thread Lambchop said that 98% of the best players are playing DA. I disagree. Plenty of top players are playing ECNL and some are also playing at their local club. For example look at the 03 SDSC team. Saying 98% are in DA is a gross overstatement unless the 98% refers to the consolidation of wacko parents that think their dd must play DA.

Mace did not play with the Eagles until her senior year and while she was known when she committed, she was not known until her mom sent a video to UCLA and the coach came down to watch her play. I believe it was her junior year and the Nomads Thanksgiving tournament with low level teams. I might be confusing this with another player, but she was not know and had never made ODP which shows you that the scouts are not doing their job.

As for traveling with the team and not parents, this is strictly an American thing. In Europe, American children and young adults are often seen as soft because of parental involvement and one of the reasons I believe that more American youth don't get an opportunity to play abroad. European clubs are afraid that after spending money on American's, they will get homesick and leave. They don't have the same problem because European kids are on their own with clubs and thus more mature at an earlier age.(at least that is what they believe ). I am not saying this is right because I always stayed as close as possible to my kids and when I could not be there, taught them to never be left anywhere with just 1 person for any reason. Even if going to a teacher's office hours I told them to take a friend in case no other students are there. I rather have my kids be seen a soft as long as they are safe and thus goes for boys too.
 
Soccer43 said:
You may be a decent and appropriate parent but I have seen much of the opposite. Parents can be an interference, badgering their DD to tears because she didn't perform the way the parent thought she should or trying to coach their DD leading to confusion on the field. It is a distraction and is disruptive. Your DD needs to be focused on the team and coaching instruction. It is not a regular tournament or family vacation. There is no reason to stay at the hotel as your DD is involved in team activities and itinerary the whole time.

If your DD gets a call up to a YNT camp will you be staying with her then as well and will you be traveling to international matches if she gets selected for a YNT roster? The coaches and you need to see how your DD handles this type of environment to see if she is mature enough and able to handle that higher level environment.
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Bullshi.
 
Fact said:
I am not going to look for it but I believe earlier in this thread Lambchop said that 98% of the best players are playing DA. I disagree. Plenty of top players are playing ECNL and some are also playing at their local club. For example look at the 03 SDSC team. Saying 98% are in DA is a gross overstatement unless the 98% refers to the consolidation of wacko parents that think their dd must play DA.

Mace did not play with the Eagles until her senior year and while she was known when she committed, she was not known until her mom sent a video to UCLA and the coach came down to watch her play. I believe it was her junior year and the Nomads Thanksgiving tournament with low level teams. I might be confusing this with another player, but she was not know and had never made ODP which shows you that the scouts are not doing their job.

As for traveling with the team and not parents, this is strictly an American thing. In Europe, American children and young adults are often seen as soft because of parental involvement and one of the reasons I believe that more American youth don't get an opportunity to play abroad. European clubs are afraid that after spending money on American's, they will get homesick and leave. They don't have the same problem because European kids are on their own with clubs and thus more mature at an earlier age.(at least that is what they believe ). I am not saying this is right because I always stayed as close as possible to my kids and when I could not be there, taught them to never be left anywhere with just 1 person for any reason. Even if going to a teacher's office hours I told them to take a friend in case no other students are there. I rather have my kids be seen a soft as long as they are safe and thus goes for boys too.
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ODP scouts are a murkey bunch of randomness that feels like throwing random darts at a wall. Your Europe info is interesting as it relates specifically to girls, Europe/South America, travel or housing. For boys the homesick issue has been a red herring that started a while back and gives clubs an easy out when players simply are not good enough or consistent enough compared with the player already in the club. The majority of Americans also can’t get to Europe due to FIFA rules and passport issues. US Soccer and it’s minions continue to spread a myth that parents are interfering bumbling idiots that will undermine their precious game or whatever. When in fact often times the majority of parents on this forum and in the Soccer community as a Whole handle our DD’s better than some random coach in a track suit. The outright lie being sold is that a governing Soccer organization tasked with providing an opportunity for kids to play soccer also needs to see if your kid can handle a 7 hour bus ride, being alone in a holiday inn express, sharing a bed with 3 other 13 year old girls, with no or little adult supervision, bad food, a bad nights sleep and still then play 4 games is 3 days will somehow mean what? No club in Europe does this I promise you.
 
Soccer43 said:
13 is definitely old enough to travel to Arizona with the ODP team. - would you turn down a YNT call up because she would be with strangers without you?

In 2016 they started a new U14 cycle. On the March roster there were 14 '03's. They would have been either 12 or just turned 13 years old. Some came from as far as the east coast for a week long camp.
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Come on man. They are not mutual exclusive things. Most players don’t get a YNT call up, and the ones that do receive one know the YNT itinerary is lock down legit. With the players best interest really taken to heart. ODP is not that at all. That being said, these are different times and what used to work and be accepted are and will need to be addressed. Any parent has the right to advocate and question for their child. If ODP or US Soccer find issue with that then that’s their problem. But I do know this if you’ve been called in and you are legit i have not heard yet of a DD not being called into camp because a kids parents had a question about the safety of their DD.
 
Fact said:
I am not going to look for it but I believe earlier in this thread Lambchop said that 98% of the best players are playing DA. I disagree. Plenty of top players are playing ECNL and some are also playing at their local club. For example look at the 03 SDSC team. Saying 98% are in DA is a gross overstatement unless the 98% refers to the consolidation of wacko parents that think their dd must play DA.
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I'd disagree with both statements in the first year of the DA. The same was true of the boys when the DA was established. But I would be very surprised if the girls didn't follow the same path that the boys did. The first year of boys DA, many clubs chose not to participate, many players chose not to participate. But US Soccer holds all the cards and don't care about 99% of soccer players out there. Watch what happens these next few years - they will repeat the same pattern. They will select National Team call ups and heavily weight DA participation. Their scouts will tell parents that their kid will have a better shot and more looks if they play DA. Eventually (it took years), they've gotten to a point in which 98% of the top boys soccer players are in DA clubs.

Maybe girls will be different. Maybe. But I doubt it.
 
Gokicksomegrass said:
http://regioniv.usyouthsoccer.org/odp/odp_championships/

I know, I know. B team. Not best players here. Corrupt. Don't waste your money.
DA will be rule them all and in the darkness, bind them.
Did I miss something? ;)
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To go back to the original message, the schedule has now been taken down and is listed as "coming soon" on the site. Perhaps the previous schedule was only preliminary and they didn't mean to post it or perhaps there have been changes.
 
Chalklines said:
And comments similar to these are why scum bags like Nassar got away with what he did for so long.

Parents will look the other way and or stay quiet if it means opertunity for their child.

Dont be a fool. Keep an eye on child. If the YNT is truly interested in your child's ability they will have no problem with you being a chaperone.
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Nasser is a very unique and unfortunate situation. We have to show our DDs how to speak up, and how to fight back. The silence in this situation perpetuated the problem, and allowed for further abuse. Whether it's a scum like Nassar, a neighbor, or someone else we trust our children with like a teacher, a fair compromise for us is being in the area . My DD knows I'm 5-10 minutes away at most if she ever needs anyone. I look at it like a sleepover. She does this all the time with friends and I don't flip out. They need to know they can speak up and tell us anything.
 
shales1002 said:
Nasser is a very unique and unfortunate situation. We have to show our DDs how to speak up, and how to fight back. The silence in this situation perpetuated the problem, and allowed for further abuse. Whether it's a scum like Nassar, a neighbor, or someone else we trust our children with like a teacher, a fair compromise for us is being in the area . My DD knows I'm 5-10 minutes away at most if she ever needs anyone. I look at it like a sleepover. She does this all the time with friends and I don't flip out. They need to know they can speak up and tell us anything.
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shales1002 said:
Nasser is a very unique and unfortunate situation. We have to show our DDs how to speak up, and how to fight back. The silence in this situation perpetuated the problem, and allowed for further abuse. Whether it's a scum like Nassar, a neighbor, or someone else we trust our children with like a teacher, a fair compromise for us is being in the area . My DD knows I'm 5-10 minutes away at most if she ever needs anyone. I look at it like a sleepover. She does this all the time with friends and I don't flip out. They need to know they can speak up and tell us anything.
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I feel like a broken record on this subject. What happened was horrific, not unfortunate and I wish it were unique. Pedophiles put themselves in a position to get access to children. They are most successful when they are trusted adults, respected and credible. Gaining parental trust is a crucial step in their overall plan. Please tell me that your 13 year olds safety is not something you’d be willing to risk for the sake of her advancement soccer.
 
smellycleats said:
I feel like a broken record on this subject. What happened was horrific, not unfortunate and I wish it were unique. Pedophiles put themselves in a position to get access to children. They are most successful when they are trusted adults, respected and credible. Gaining parental trust is a crucial step in their overall plan. Please tell me that your 13 year olds safety is not something you’d be willing to risk for the sake of her advancement soccer.
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I don't naively or blindly trust any coach that's why I taught my DD to be strong, independent, and assertive. She knows how to recognize trouble and is not vulnerable to the wrong type of attention. She also knows how to take steps to be safe and speak up when someone is out of line. It is very clear to others that I am watching and that action will be taken if someone crosses a line. I don't need to be a helicopter parent that teaches my DD to be weak. If I thought the situation was unsafe she wouldn't be participating in the first place.
 
jdiaz said:
Yes you do. $100 plus the camp fees. What planet are you on.
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You don’t pay the camp fees if your daughter makes it. It’s obvious you’re hasn't or you would know that. My point was the $100-$125 cost is nominal for what you get in return. Is this really that difficult to comprehend?
 
shales1002 said:
Nasser is a very unique and unfortunate situation. We have to show our DDs how to speak up, and how to fight back. The silence in this situation perpetuated the problem, and allowed for further abuse. Whether it's a scum like Nassar, a neighbor, or someone else we trust our children with like a teacher, a fair compromise for us is being in the area . My DD knows I'm 5-10 minutes away at most if she ever needs anyone. I look at it like a sleepover. She does this all the time with friends and I don't flip out. They need to know they can speak up and tell us anything.
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100% agree. People need some common sense. Might as well never let your DD get in a car if you really want to protect her from harm.
 
smellycleats said:
I feel like a broken record on this subject. What happened was horrific, not unfortunate and I wish it were unique. Pedophiles put themselves in a position to get access to children. They are most successful when they are trusted adults, respected and credible. Gaining parental trust is a crucial step in their overall plan. Please tell me that your 13 year olds safety is not something you’d be willing to risk for the sake of her advancement soccer.
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I never stated that I would put my child in what I believe to be compromising situation. This isn't for the sake of soccer, events like these happen in the doctors office, schools, anywhere . Honestly, nothing is safe . If I live with that constant thought , my 13 year old would be locked away in a tower . When she does travel , I'm nearby. And she travels A LOT.
 
CaliSoccer said:
You don’t pay the camp fees if your daughter makes it. It’s obvious you’re hasn't or you would know that. My point was the $100-$125 cost is nominal for what you get in return. Is this really that difficult to comprehend?
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Smart ass. When they invite the pool of players you pay $100 . Right or wrong. Then if your picked. They want you to attend the camps that are how much smart are. Next when your picked to play against you pay for travel cost. Not everything is free. The other regions that have POP take it serious. And have sponsors to take up the cost for the kids. That' how much you know.
 
CaliSoccer said:
You don’t pay the camp fees if your daughter makes it. It’s obvious you’re hasn't or you would know that. My point was the $100-$125 cost is nominal for what you get in return. Is this really that difficult to comprehend?
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The only thing that's great is the gear that nike gives them for free. The training the boys get is garbage for $100-125.
 
There is no training. Invite as many that may legitimately show up. Let them scrimmage together, and then collect the $125 for the 40 -50 extras. Money grab.
 
Soccer43 said:
I don't naively or blindly trust any coach that's why I taught my DD to be strong, independent, and assertive. She knows how to recognize trouble and is not vulnerable to the wrong type of attention. She also knows how to take steps to be safe and speak up when someone is out of line. It is very clear to others that I am watching and that action will be taken if someone crosses a line. I don't need to be a helicopter parent that teaches my DD to be weak. If I thought the situation was unsafe she wouldn't be participating in the first place.
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shales1002 said:
I never stated that I would put my child in what I believe to be compromising situation. This isn't for the sake of soccer, events like these happen in the doctors office, schools, anywhere . Honestly, nothing is safe . If I live with that constant thought , my 13 year old would be locked away in a tower . When she does travel , I'm nearby. And she travels A LOT.
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I’m sure you know that a minor child is never allowed to be in a room with a doctor without a parent or a nurse present.

And to you and the other posters who have suggested that staying in hotel is no different than a sleepover or other events at school, I don’t think you are really seeing the issue clearly. There are so many more variables in hotel that you cannot control. I think because we are all normal well-adjusted people that are not pathological or evil, we find it hard to imagine the lengths that these people will go to to get access to kids. We worry about it when we need to but they spend much of their time thinking about ways to get close to kids. These guys are incredibly manipulative. Sometimes they charm the parent to gain trust and sometimes, when the relationship with the parent is shaky, they work on the child directly.

I agree with the posters who say that a close relationship with your child, teaching your child to trust their gut, to speak up immediately when something doesn’t feel right and to never ever be alone in a room somewhere with an adult that isn’t their family member is the best defense but please remember we are talking about 13-year-old girls. The adults in question are respected. The girls take direction from these coaches trainers etc. on an ongoing basis and they’re in a position of having to impress and gain approval from them. All it takes is one incident where a kid doesn’t say no quickly enough and then they can be convinced that they are now a participant, they’re part of a secret and they have something to lose from telling someone.

Sorry for my long post.
 
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