It's Club Soccer - Don't Complain About it

Not_that_Serious said:
man city killing set pieces with short players. killed ManU twice and Mou loves touting his team of trees. sometimes desire and coaching - Pep is an okay coach
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Being a ManU fan for half my life I dislike Mou. He stifles play by not letting his players attack. He's afraid of losing which happens anyways. And, Pep is a better coach.
 
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espola said:
The so-called "possession" stat is pretty much meaningless. For instance, who has possession while the clock is ticking as the ball is being retrieved for a throwin - the team that kicked it out, or the team that will throw it in?
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That's not how possession is calculated. Typically this time is excluded and not factored in to the possession % calculation. Meaning in a 90 minute game possession is typically calculated at somewhere around 70 minutes depending on out of bounds, free kicks, corners, etc.
 
LASTMAN14 said:
Oh, E...you don't believe in possession soccer. We have debated this on other threads. And, I know you know what a rhetorical question is, as you employ it in many of your replies.:rolleyes:
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I get a chuckle when I see people (especially coaches) referring to possession as if it were a real thing. There is no agreement on how to measure it, and the methods admittedly include subjective judgments. But then again so do classic stats like shots on goal, assists, and saves.
 
espola said:
I get a chuckle when I see people (especially coaches) referring to possession as if it were a real thing. There is no agreement on how to measure it, and the methods admittedly include subjective judgments. But then again so do classic stats like shots on goal, assists, and saves.
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I guess passing the ball and making passes in succession is not a real thing either as it is a key concept in possession. :confused: However one calculates something that does not exist doesn't really matter because it's not real, right?
 
LASTMAN14 said:
I guess passing the ball and making passes in succession is not a real thing either as it is a key concept in possession. :confused: However one calculates something that does not exist doesn't really matter because it's not real, right?
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Increasing one's possession score, if we can agree what that it is, is certainly something worth striving for, but it's not a good measure of who won the game.
 
espola said:
Increasing one's possession score, if we can agree what that it is, is certainly something worth striving for, but it's not a good measure of who won the game.
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Just to recant this post for clarification. Your saying that possession is now real if we can agree on what it is?
 
LASTMAN14 said:
Just to recant this post for clarification. Your saying that possession is now real if we can agree on what it is?
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Wait, and it's not a good measure of who won the game? That's a narrow perspective that requires more clarification because I can present scenarios to argue that point. Even scenarios where the better team lost and still won because we all know who did despite the score line.
 
espola said:
I get a chuckle when I see people (especially coaches) referring to possession as if it were a real thing. There is no agreement on how to measure it, and the methods admittedly include subjective judgments. But then again so do classic stats like shots on goal, assists, and saves.
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Right here in your first sentence. You imply that possession does not exist.
 
mirage said:
You gotta do the math.

Baseball pitched at 95mph=139 ft/s over 90 ft distance = 1.54 ft/s
Softball pitched at 60mph=88 ft/s over 60 ft distance = 1.47 ft/s

Baseball is moving faster. On the top of that, the velocity difference between a fastball, breaking ball and change up can be over 0.25 ft/s over the 90 ft distance so the timing is changed significantly (~16%).

The thing with softball pitch that makes it difficult for baseball batters to hit is fact that the players are not used to the ball rising over the trajectory rather down coming down. Not the relative speed over the distance.
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Baseball is 60'6" to home plate, softball is 43'...
 
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