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God damn Evil, you're a machine with this shit...!!
 
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GlobalWarming/images/epica_temperature.png&imgrefurl=http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GlobalWarming/page3.php&docid=faAOHVtZOJ0ReM&tbnid=nnQWEfwJgYv05M:&w=720&h=242&bih=856&biw=1242&ved=0ahUKEwiszKe3l63PAhVp7YMKHUJkBNwQMwgkKAYwBg&iact=mrc&uact=8
Epica ice cores (antarctica) above
Vostoc below


http://clivebest.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Global-temps.png

These two historical references arent clouded with any theoretical opinions about man made forcings.

Just pretty pictures to look at.

Oh, by the way, the "you are here" location is at the far right hand side of the graph.
 
Bernie Sanders said:
Oh, by the way, the "you are here" location is at the far right hand side of the graph.
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Not quite. From the first google search graph you linked, click the source page. You go here.
A) http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GlobalWarming/page3.php
From the legend for the figure, click the reference for the data, Jouzel et al., 2007. You go here
B) http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/pubs/jouzel2007/jouzel2007.html
You can click on the figure and see what the ice core data-your historical litmus test-looks like at progressive higher temporal resolution. If you don't like that blow up of the data, try this one with a quasi-semi-log x-axis
C) http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_cHhMa7ARDDg/SsVwqCgB-LI/AAAAAAAABKo/U92CnYMmeSU/s1600-h/Vostok-400Kd.jpg
Don't like that, here's a better thing. If you scroll down on site B, you'll see a clickable link that says "Excel". Click on it and download the data for yourself. Then you won't have to strain your eyes to the point of looking like espoola trying to assess current trends from blips at the top of the latest interglacial maximum on an 800K timeframe. If you bother to do this, you'll see that the earliest data point utilized to make their graph is from 1911 (38.37 yrs prior to 1950 in their tabulation). So, if "you are there" at time 0 on the graph you've been joyriding in the DeLorean again. I plotted out 500-1880. Here's your warming trend based on Vostok ice core data spanning the last 1500 years or so. Data from your graph.

Vostok-Bernie's warming trend.jpg
 
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Wez said:
God damn Evil, you're a machine with this shit...!!
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Kind of you to say I suppose but its all easy to do. The "baby bump" took a bit of digging but I got curious about it and thought in the end it was an interesting story. Actually, last week i've been procrastinating from rolling my sleeves up on something. So that's why. But you guys have at it for awhile and I'm going to get to it.
 
I don't pretend I'm a scientist because I'm not one, but if you aren't one, you are doing a damn good job appearing like one...
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:
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Not quite. From the first google search graph you linked, click the source page. You go here.
A) http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GlobalWarming/page3.php
From the legend for the figure, click the reference for the data, Jouzel et al., 2007. You go here
B) http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/pubs/jouzel2007/jouzel2007.html
You can click on the figure and see what the ice core data-your historical litmus test-looks like at progressive higher temporal resolution. If you don't like that blow up of the data, try this one with a quasi-semi-log x-axis
C) http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_cHhMa7ARDDg/SsVwqCgB-LI/AAAAAAAABKo/U92CnYMmeSU/s1600-h/Vostok-400Kd.jpg
Don't like that, here's a better thing. If you scroll down on site B, you'll see a clickable link that says "Excel". Click on it and download the data for yourself. Then you won't have to strain your eyes to the point of looking like espoola trying to assess current trends from blips at the top of the latest interglacial maximum on an 800K timeframe. If you bother to do this, you'll see that the earliest data point utilized to make their graph is from 1911 (38.37 yrs prior to 1950 in their tabulation). So, if "you are there" at time 0 on the graph you've been joyriding in the DeLorean again. I plotted out 500-1880. Here's your warming trend based on Vostok ice core data spanning the last 1500 years or so. Data from your graph.

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EvilGoalie 21 said:
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Not quite. From the first google search graph you linked, click the source page. You go here.
A) http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GlobalWarming/page3.php
From the legend for the figure, click the reference for the data, Jouzel et al., 2007. You go here
B) http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/pubs/jouzel2007/jouzel2007.html
You can click on the figure and see what the ice core data-your historical litmus test-looks like at progressive higher temporal resolution. If you don't like that blow up of the data, try this one with a quasi-semi-log x-axis
C) http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_cHhMa7ARDDg/SsVwqCgB-LI/AAAAAAAABKo/U92CnYMmeSU/s1600-h/Vostok-400Kd.jpg
Don't like that, here's a better thing. If you scroll down on site B, you'll see a clickable link that says "Excel". Click on it and download the data for yourself. Then you won't have to strain your eyes to the point of looking like espoola trying to assess current trends from blips at the top of the latest interglacial maximum on an 800K timeframe. If you bother to do this, you'll see that the earliest data point utilized to make their graph is from 1911 (38.37 yrs prior to 1950 in their tabulation). So, if "you are there" at time 0 on the graph you've been joyriding in the DeLorean again. I plotted out 500-1880. Here's your warming trend based on Vostok ice core data spanning the last 1500 years or so. Data from your graph.

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Bottom line, warming, like I said.
I dont see how you changed anything.
We are at the top, or near the top of a natural warming cycle that started roughly 20,000 year ago.
Is there any argument here?
 
Bernie Sanders said:
Bottom line, warming, like I said.
I dont see how you changed anything.
We are at the top, or near the top of a natural warming cycle that started roughly 20,000 year ago.
Is there any argument here?
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Are you holding your data up to critical review, or trying desperately to find data that debunks AGW? Is AGW a possibility?
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:
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Not quite. From the first google search graph you linked, click the source page. You go here.
A) http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GlobalWarming/page3.php
From the legend for the figure, click the reference for the data, Jouzel et al., 2007. You go here
B) http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/pubs/jouzel2007/jouzel2007.html
You can click on the figure and see what the ice core data-your historical litmus test-looks like at progressive higher temporal resolution. If you don't like that blow up of the data, try this one with a quasi-semi-log x-axis
C) http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_cHhMa7ARDDg/SsVwqCgB-LI/AAAAAAAABKo/U92CnYMmeSU/s1600-h/Vostok-400Kd.jpg
Don't like that, here's a better thing. If you scroll down on site B, you'll see a clickable link that says "Excel". Click on it and download the data for yourself. Then you won't have to strain your eyes to the point of looking like espoola trying to assess current trends from blips at the top of the latest interglacial maximum on an 800K timeframe. If you bother to do this, you'll see that the earliest data point utilized to make their graph is from 1911 (38.37 yrs prior to 1950 in their tabulation). So, if "you are there" at time 0 on the graph you've been joyriding in the DeLorean again. I plotted out 500-1880. Here's your warming trend based on Vostok ice core data spanning the last 1500 years or so. Data from your graph.

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Here's the sticking point. (see the red text)
Context.
Its like a novel, only much, much, longer.
Climate context deals in freaking massive time blocks.
 
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