CaliKlines
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Hey MAP, what was the score of the UCLA game vs. North Carolina about a week ago?
And you know what they say...every Wolf has their day!
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2016-17 D1 Women's soccer thread!!!
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And you know what they say...every Wolf has their day!
MakeAPlay
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Are we comparing NC State and UCLA? We both know where that will lead. Anybody who actually watched the game between UNC and NC State and UNC and UCLA can see the difference in quality between all three of those teams. We all know that the score of a soccer game doesn't always tell the story. Why don't you pull up a replay and tell me what you think. At the end of the day we can rehash this conversation at the end of the season and see how your position changes. No worries I will put the PAC 12 teams up against the ACC teams athletically and academically any day.
NoGoal
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People living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. UCLA has arguably the toughest NCAA schedule and with 2 loses is still ranked in the top 15. NC State won their 1st conference game going on 3 years and 1st win vs UNC in 15 years.....and the pom poms are coming out,
. Now wave them proudly after knowing the UNC win wasn't an anomaly with follow up conference wins against, UVA, Duke, FSU, ND, BC and Va Tech.
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I was there. Couldnt turn it off. First half was ok, but this team is just not very good right now.
The fist half was fairly even with both teams having a couple good chances, but what does it matter?
Pepperdine stinks right now.
CaliKlines
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People living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. UCLA has arguably the toughest NCAA schedule and with 2 loses is still ranked in the top 15. NC State won their 1st conference game going on 3 years and 1st win vs UNC in 15 years.....and the pom poms are coming out,
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Geez Louise...you guys really need to take some Xanax. A traditionally underperforming team takes out a traditionally good team, and it upsets your whole world. I wasn't saying anything about the rest of the season, or the past...I was just thrilled that one of my favorite teams won. In the previous forum, you chose to admonish the Wolfpack, my daughter's school of choice. Now that they have a little success, you are quick to put them down once again. It is very difficult to go from the bottom of the table to the top, especially in the ACC. When you're bad, you have to get to good before you can get to great. Just as UCLA has a tough schedule, so does NC State. Of the 10 best teams in the country, 4 play in the ACC. How many are in the Pac12? 1. So why not let the Wolfpack ladies (and their recruits) enjoy some success...because it is a very long and arduous road to get over .500 in one of the toughest conferences in the country. You were the ones saying that it was unlikely the coach wouldn't be there when my daughter arrived.
It will be a successful season if they can pick off one or two more of their remaining conference games. Many of their key performers are freshman, along with their 2 German imports. We are just hoping for a better season than last year (already has happened), and then continual improvement in 2017. We'll see.
MakeAPlay
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Cali don't get all bent out of shape because I returned fire. You know how it goes shoot a barrage and prepare for return fire. I hope that NC State is on the upswing. At the end of the day it will only elevate play around the country for women and that I am all for.
Now regarding the top 10 teams. By my count 4 are in the ACC but 3 are also in the Pac 12. At the end of the day the only ranking that matter is academics and short of the Ivy League no league has the chops that the Pac 12 has. I know one of the starters on NC State and she is a very good player.
Good luck to your daughter. I would aim your salvos a little lower than me unless you are prepared for return fire and possibly some shrapnel with collateral damage.
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MakeAPlay
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The Waves are in assuming they do well in league!
CaliKlines
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OK then, fire in the hole....I know US News and World Reports rankings are not just an academic ranking. It is an overall ranking, and I am sure that you will disparage my findings by vilifying some aspect of their ranking criteria...however, they are objective. You and I are not.
Average ranking of Pac12 schools in the US News & World Report 2017 rankings: 81
Average ranking of ACC schools in the US News & World Report 2017 rankings: 55
Your statement that the Pac12 is only 2nd to the Ivy League is woefully incorrect. Take off the west coast sunglasses to see the truth.
Not enough? Money Magazine is another objective source: Average rank for a Pac12 institution, 147. Average for an ACC school, 143.
Lastly, my favorite college ranking site, http://colleges.startclass.com/, has the following average rankings...
Pac12: 197
ACC: 91
If you want to compare conferences, you are walking in quick sand carrying an anvil.
Zerodenero
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Geeze fellas...can't we all just get along?
It's all good LE....us old farts still gotta little bit of shwartz in the tank.
They came out of the gate like gang busters and then went into a really bad funk. They better get back on track soon.
MakeAPlay
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Ha pretty funny but I can do that too.
http://www.languagemonitor.com/top-...emic-reputation-after-conference-realignment/
https://www.timeshighereducation.co...ing-world-universities-2016-results-announced
So Notre Dame is the difference maker for the ACC (aren't they independant) and if you remove them the conference drops significantly. Let's dig a little deeper. All 4 Pac 12 teams in California are in the top 25. NC State is like 194th. If you look globally (thus the Shanghai rankings) it isn't even close. Also you probably didn't realize the the Start Class rankings are such that the higher the score the better so you unwittingly helped make my point.
Let's uses some common sense here. If your daughter had been offered a scholarship to a Pac 12 school versus a bottom feeding ACC school with zero West Coast street cred would she have taken it? I bet if Cal or Stanford had come calling you would have wet yourself and begged Mr. Hodges to do all that he could do to help her. Mine was recruited by all of the top ACC schools and she didn't even consider any of them and that includes Notre Dame, North Carolina and Duke.
Now since we are talking athletics their really is no comparison. You can take all of the national championships for all of the ACC conference and they are not much more than the total for the third best team in the Pac 12. If you take away UNC's 21 women's soccer championships then there are 3 schools with more national titles than the whole conference. And since we are talking women's soccer this decade the ACC and Pac 12 are even on national titles and if recruiting is a sign then this could be the first full decade that the ACC doesn't sit at the top of the hill.
This anvil doesn't feel that heavy and it feels more like I am ice skating.
Good luck to your daughter.
MakeAPlay
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They looked good to me. They played a tough preseason schedule. They will be fine. Your daughter played well. Nothing to be upset about.
CaliKlines
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Boy oh boy...you sure showed me with your Global World Language Monitor ranking! How far down did you have to dig that one up? And that Shanghai ranking is just as relevant too. Come back with real rankings rather than some far-fetched, desperate google search type of results. That ice is pretty thin.
And you sure do alot of "if you remove this school" or "take away this and the results look more favorable". My stats are provided are provided by well known sources that are trusted by millions of Americans. In a conference vs. conference comparison, the ACC wins hands down.
As for hypotheticals about where my kid would have gone, I know for a FACT that she would not have gone to a school in California. Her main goal was to play out of state and away from home...probably to get away from her overbearing father. She was recruited by some very strong academic D3's but she said she also wanted to play D1 soccer. Realistically, she is not a game changing stud but a very controlled and technical midfielder. She is perfectly at home with the Wolfpack, and their academic program. Plus, being close to the east coast population centers, it bodes well for her to find internships and employment post graduation in her political policy/science field of study. As for the athletics, we hoped for better non-conference results and a couple of conference wins in the 2016 season, and it is working out well. Thanks for the well wishes...I will pass it on to my player.
Zerodenero
GOLD
The results of your favorite looks a bit suspect, like Rollin the 8ball (I ain't talkin bout the narcotic)
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MakeAPlay
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So what you are saying is if let's say Stanford, Cal, UCLA or USC offered your daughter a scholarship she would have said, "No thanks I want to play in Oregon or New Mexico or North Carolina? So t he connections in let's say the Bay Area or SoCal aren't world class? Come on Cali. I can make stuff up too (like the quickly googled info that both of us pulled up). That simply doesn't pass the sniff test just like all of your ECNL bashing after being such a champion of ECNL when your little Mia played for the Strikers.
Your favorite ranking site says otherwise but if you in your heart of hearts think that the ACC is such a badass academic conference then good luck to you with that. Let's hope she likes the weather because I spent some of my youth in North Carolina and it is the least sucky place in the South but it still sucks. If mine were to go to the East Coast it would be to an Ivy league school.
CaliKlines
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Yes, if it was Princeton, or Duke, or UVA, or Notre Dame, she most certainly would have said No Thanks.
MakeAPlay
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Okay Princeton is in the Ivy League so that isn't the question. Notre Dame is in the Midwest and is the best of all of the ACC schools. Outside of that unfortunately you would lose in pretty much every instance.
No worries we can talk hypotheticals all we want to. My sources tell me a different tale. Time will tell.
NoGoal
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You were the one that posted how did UCLA do against NC State last week, not me!
Difference between you and I, when my DD's school did well last year. You didn't see me bragging or poking fun. Like I posted, know your role and shut your mouth.