Climate and Weather

[Wez]

and how much is due to data manipulation?

The only one presenting bad data or cherry-picking data has been you

 

[Wez]

It's just not a scientific debate. The energy industry and its allies have done an amazing job convincing laypeople that it is, but it isn't a scientific debate at all. The science is settled. But, e.g., despite any new evidence, many more republicans now deny since the advent of the Trump administration.

99% of any arguments is political as soon as real science is talked about the rooms always go silent

 

[Bruddah IZ]

The only one presenting bad data or cherry-picking data has been you

Irony Alert.

 

[Ricky Fandango]

More than are falling for this (from one of your sources) --

...there is overwhelming and undeniable evidence that climate change:
<...>
as studied by our scienticians is more about prestige and money than truth/science.​

http://www.asinglevoice.us/Environment/GlobalWarming/GlobalWarming.html

I agree.

 

[Ricky Fandango]

99% of any arguments is political as soon as real science is talked about the rooms always go silent

What science are you talking about?

 

[Bruddah IZ]

99% of any arguments is political as soon as real science is talked about the rooms always go silent

Whenever you ask the Scientist to provide the AGW to non-AGW ratio the room usually goes even more silent

 

[Ricky Fandango]

The only one presenting bad data or cherry-picking data has been you

How so?

 

[Ricky Fandango]

Whenever you ask the Scientist to provide the AGW to non-AGW ratio the room usually goes even more silent

Probably because the science isnt settled.

 

[espola]

How so?

Sophistry.

 

[espola]

How much of our current warming is natural and how much is due to anthropogenic co2, and how much is due to data manipulation?

What data manipulation?

 

[Ricky Fandango]

Sophistry.

Circle.
Worked out the anthropogenic to natural warming ratio yet?

 

[espola]

I agree.

Of course you do. That was my point - you believe wingnut sources and reject the facts.

 

[Wez]

Circle.
Worked out the anthropogenic to natural warming ratio yet?

What does it matter? we know the current change in our climate is having some pretty harsh effects on our society worldwide and we should hope for the best but plan for the worst.

 

[Wez]

If it's possible agw is real then we should plan for how to mitigate it.

Arguing that it's not a possibility and we should do nothing out of the ordinary is foolish.

 

[Ricky Fandango]

What data manipulation?

The erasure of the medieval warming period, and the patchwork tree ring data for starters.

 

[Ricky Fandango]

What does it matter? we know the current change in our climate is having some pretty harsh effects on our society worldwide and we should hope for the best but plan for the worst.

Settled science?

 

[Wez]

Settled science?

Science is rarely settled. We tend to act on consensus that have been brought about through the scientific method though.

 

[Ricky Fandango]

If it's possible agw is real then we should plan for how to mitigate it.

Arguing that it's not a possibility and we should do nothing out of the ordinary is foolish.

How settled is the science?

 

[Ricky Fandango]

Science is rarely settled

Then why are you so enamored by those who claim it is?

 

[Wez]

Then why are you so enamored by those who claim it is?

See my edit