Chances of playing in College

Surfref said:
(Sarcasm) Maybe these Ivy League school will have a special major for the star athletes that score below a combined SAT of 400. They could have majors in Fast Food cook and register worker, how to restock clothes at Marshals, Busboy 101.

DD had a teammate her last two years that accepted a soccer scholarship to a very respected academic D2. She failed out after the first semester. Her combined (3 scores) SAT was 590. At least she chose a very respectable profession after failing out and a good way to learn and make decent pay. She joined the Air Force. She was recently advanced to E4, Senior Airman, as a firefighter. She also plays soccer for the base team that plays other bases in the D.C., Virginia, Maryland area.

We may all hope our kids go to college, get a good graduate, post grad and even doctorate degree, but sometimes life throws a wrench in the plans. At that point I am sure most of us would support our kids and try to help them move forward and support their choices.

I graduated from UCLA with an electrical engineering degree and could not get anyone to hire me at a decent wage. After 9 months of being told I needed more experience I joined the Navy. That was the beginning of a great 30+ year career with the Navy that took me all over the world and had me do things I never thought I was capable of.

Some of our kids may go on to be soccer superstars, some may never play as an adult, but we will all still love them and support them.
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What is wrong with being a stock boy at Marshals?:D
 
Livinthedream said:
You keep saying "us"...what position do you play? Also is it crowded in the dorm room with you and your DD sharing the college experience. I bet she must love you planning her future, you sound like a lot of fun...for a Dick.
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I was thinking that too. What would happen if Fact's DD didn't want to go to an Ivy League School. Better yet, what if she didn't want to register for cadavar dissecting class? He has her life all mapped out for her, poor kid!
 
espola said:
You can get a degree from Cornell in Hotel Administration.

https://sha.cornell.edu/admissions-programs/
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No need to go that far. Cal Poly Pomona Collins College of Hospitality and Mgm't has a great culinary school. The student chiefs have jobs lined up before they graduate. If anyone wants an affordable fine dining experience. You will be pleasantly surprised what a great meal the students prepare.

http://www.cpp.edu/~rkr/
http://www.cpp.edu/~rkr/cuisine/index.shtml
 
This is the most anyone has ever discussed the process so I am thankful for the insights. I have found it to be a very hush hush process and everyone is very tight lipped in soccer. I have found in other athletics and even with boys people are much more open and vocal about who is going where and what they are trying for. I appreciate the general info from vets in the soccer world.
 
Fact said:
@Striker going back to my original point, better accommodations for us is flexibility missing/rescheduling some training and making other arrangements for games due to internships and classes. Those are the only accommodations we care about as school comes first due to the desire to get out in at most 4 1/2 years and for graduate school. Cooking classes and the other pansy stuff is BS as far as we are concerned. If someone feels the need for the fluff great, but for us it is about getting a good education while having fun continuing to do a sport that is enjoyed.
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I understand this completely. I have heard the same to be true - I guess it's pretty sad when our version of accomadations is another schools version of basic ha!
I was thinking a lot about it yesterday though and it makes sense because those superstars at USC or Stanford etc really do represent the NT players etc. I would expect them to have all that they do.
Only recently did Princeton have a top 100 football committ who passed over Power 5 schools and it made the national news on multiple outlets.
It's all about finding the right fit
 
Striker17 said:
This is the most anyone has ever discussed the process so I am thankful for the insights. I have found it to be a very hush hush process and everyone is very tight lipped in soccer. I have found in other athletics and even with boys people are much more open and vocal about who is going where and what they are trying for. I appreciate the general info from vets in the soccer world.
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It makes sense from a college coach's standpoint that he is not going to divulge his recruiting plans and tactics. And soccer is not a headcount sport, where every student athlete receiving funds in a sport gets the same amount direct from the athletic department budget. A soccer coach can partition a single "scholarship" out to several players, and can tap other campus (and non-campus) funding sources, such as academic awards and financial need support, as long as no player receives more than the full athletic department award for a player on a headcount team. He can "finance" a new recruit by cutting an existing player, or reducing several players' amounts, in the upcoming year.

These extra sources make the big rich schools (the 8 Ivy League schools, plus other notable examples such as Northwestern and Stanford) to follow the old maxim that if you can get in, you and your family can afford it.
 
espola said:
These extra sources make the big rich schools (the 8 Ivy League schools, plus other notable examples such as Northwestern and Stanford) to follow the old maxim that if you can get in, you and your family can afford it.
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You clearly don't have experience with Stanford and their athletic awards because any athletic award you get reduces any need based award that you might have receive dollar for dollar. They have need based money available for families with incomes all the way up to $200k. That can still be cost prohibitive for families and here is an example. Let's say you have a dual income family that does $180k a year. Even if the player gets 75% in athletic aid that would reduce any need based award to zero and the family would still have to come up with $23k a year for their player to go there. For schools like that (not the Ivies) it is better to either be rich and really talented or needy (or have a big family) and be really talented. The middle 80% needs to have a pretty good college saving account ($100k+) AND get at least a 50% offer.
 
MakeAPlay said:
You clearly don't have experience with Stanford and their athletic awards because any athletic award you get reduces any need based award that you might have receive dollar for dollar. They have need based money available for families with incomes all the way up to $200k. That can still be cost prohibitive for families and here is an example. Let's say you have a dual income family that does $180k a year. Even if the player gets 75% in athletic aid that would reduce any need based award to zero and the family would still have to come up with $23k a year for their player to go there. For schools like that (not the Ivies) it is better to either be rich and really talented or needy (or have a big family) and be really talented. The middle 80% needs to have a pretty good college saving account ($100k+) AND get at least a 50% offer.
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As I posted - "as long as no player receives more than the full athletic department award for a player on a headcount team". That's not Stanford's rule - It's NCAA.
 
Question: with average rosters of 28 ladies, can a parent assume most girls are getting 50%? With of course a couple getting more/less?
 
pooka said:
Follow up question: we keep being told that no one gets 100%. Ok fine. So what's a good %?
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Pooka, that statement is a generalization. I assume you player is interested in D1 but if they are open to D3 or the Ivies there can be a substantial amount of "need based" money available and as MAP alluded to it can be 100%. I often hear the statement that nobody gets 100% but they are obviously painting the college landscape with too broad of a brush or maybe they are not an educated consumer. The key is to apply to a very wealthy school (high endowment per student) and to have very high grades and test scores, in addition to great soccer skills. The tough part is for families that are upper middle class but the kid can't quite qualify for the schools with the biggest endowments. Brown University, for example has a relatively small endowment compared to the other Ivies and as a result they are concerned about losing athletes to other schools with whopper-sized endowments.

For those who are interested further, here is an article about this issue: http://www.browndailyherald.com/2011/04/12/brown-struggles-to-compete-for-middleclass-recruits/
 
MakeAPlay said:
You clearly don't have experience with Stanford and their athletic awards because any athletic award you get reduces any need based award that you might have receive dollar for dollar. They have need based money available for families with incomes all the way up to $200k. That can still be cost prohibitive for families and here is an example. Let's say you have a dual income family that does $180k a year. Even if the player gets 75% in athletic aid that would reduce any need based award to zero and the family would still have to come up with $23k a year for their player to go there. For schools like that (not the Ivies) it is better to either be rich and really talented or needy (or have a big family) and be really talented. The middle 80% needs to have a pretty good college saving account ($100k+) AND get at least a 50% offer.
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To further illustrate a point that Map is talking about. Last year the D1 universities put a proposal together to get the approval that academic money and athletic money could be added together. Here is what I mean. Under the proposal the athletic department could offer 50% scholarship and a kid could get another 25% from academic money thus the student would receive a 75% scholarship with the athletic department only getting hit 50%. Under the current policy the department gets hit with 75% regardless. This would have helped numerous kids and the programs. If D1 gets 14.1 scholarships for a fully funded program coaches would have been able to spread the money even more. Unfortunately as I have been told most of the D2 schools shot this down and it did not get passed.
 
pooka said:
Follow up question: we keep being told that no one gets 100%. Ok fine. So what's a good %?
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There are a few that land 100% athletic offers. It is hard to do and your player must have the complete package athletically, plus being courted by some very high profile programs helps in the negotiations.

Just know that the soccer coaching world is "small" and these coaches already know pretty much who is really being courted and the individual value your player brings to the table.
 
pulguita said:
To further illustrate a point that Map is talking about. Last year the D1 universities put a proposal together to get the approval that academic money and athletic money could be added together. Here is what I mean. Under the proposal the athletic department could offer 50% scholarship and a kid could get another 25% from academic money thus the student would receive a 75% scholarship with the athletic department only getting hit 50%. Under the current policy the department gets hit with 75% regardless. This would have helped numerous kids and the programs. If D1 gets 14.1 scholarships for a fully funded program coaches would have been able to spread the money even more. Unfortunately as I have been told most of the D2 schools shot this down and it did not get passed.
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Do you have a reference for that?
 
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