Pay to Play is Insanity!

Great posts.

It sucks to hear that Galaxy academy is not working out for the best homegrown players. On the one hand, we need kids to commit fully to soccer and DA if we want to develop players that can beat Honduras and Trinidad & Tobago . . . On the other hand, look at what's happening to the best DA players? Stuck in minimum wage no man's land getting nowhere on Galaxy 2.

The best DA players have to get better options than dead end Galaxy 2 if we want kids to commit to DA and the pro dream. Otherwise, they're going to drop out of DA and pursue other, more lucrative paths,
 
Great posts.

It sucks to hear that Galaxy academy is not working out for the best homegrown players. On the one hand, we need kids to commit fully to soccer and DA if we want to develop players that can beat Honduras and Trinidad & Tobago . . . On the other hand, look at what's happening to the best DA players? Stuck in minimum wage no man's land getting nowhere on Galaxy 2.

The best DA players have to get better options than dead end Galaxy 2 if we want kids to commit to DA and the pro dream. Otherwise, they're going to drop out of DA and pursue other, more lucrative paths,
So let me get this straight. The DAs aren't the solution. Colleges aren't the solution. And our best option is sending our top 16+ year olds to Europe?
 
So let me get this straight. The DAs aren't the solution. Colleges aren't the solution. And our best option is sending our top 16+ year olds to Europe?

That is exactly the solution...if you have a 15 year old who is only focused on playing pro rather than using soccer to get into college. Why would anyone sacrifice their kid to "the cause" while US soccer is trying to figure it out? Yes, a lot will. Meanwhile, the smart ones send their kids off to Europe where they find real and meaningful development. Everyone makes their own choice and they live with their decision. You want to throw your kid into a program that has proven itself to be a disaster with a quantifiable downward projectory, go ahead. But don't blame the Pulisics or the McKinneys of the world. As a parent with a child that has a REAL chance at playing at the pro level, what would you do?
 
That is exactly the solution...if you have a 15 year old who is only focused on playing pro rather than using soccer to get into college. Why would anyone sacrifice their kid to "the cause" while US soccer is trying to figure it out? Yes, a lot will. Meanwhile, the smart ones send their kids off to Europe where they find real and meaningful development. Everyone makes their own choice and they live with their decision. You want to throw your kid into a program that has proven itself to be a disaster with a quantifiable downward projectory, go ahead. But don't blame the Pulisics or the McKinneys of the world. As a parent with a child that has a REAL chance at playing at the pro level, what would you do?
If that was the dream of the child and the potential was there, then I get it.

But for those who aren't identified at 15-16 and the "late bloomers" and those who just don't want to go, something greater needs to be in place within the U.S. Ideally, more residency MLS academies (yes, cost is an issue) but colleges have to play a role as well. Colleges play a significant role in making it to the next level in all the major U.S. sports. Why shouldn't it with soccer? Granted, one can say the talent pool is less but if wholesale changes are made with college soccer (year round season to start off), why can't it work?
 
As a parent with a child that has a REAL chance at playing at the pro level, what would you do?
Be careful thinking your boy has a real chance. Well known fact that parents can't see their child but through a rose-colored fog. I know more than a few boys who tried their luck in Europe, or Mexico. The boys there are do-or-die fierce -- not anxious to hand their position over to a new, relatively rich kid.
As to pay to play being the source of our troubles, it should be obvious by now to 03 parents that this system is a product of our (lack of) soccer culture. What we as parents want from our boys' soccer experience is not what parents in say, Chile or Croatia want.
 
My 2 cents is for US soccer to bribe city managers and parks and rec departments into building more small sided free soccer areas. Or converting empty tennis courts into futsal playing fields across the US.
 
So my first question: Does anyone know of an actual kid who was priced out of youth soccer? Like do you know a kid who was very talented and the parents couldn't swing the cost so he dropped soccer? I know a TON of talented kids with no money and they are all playing Flight 1 or DA for free or reduced. Who are these talented kids that are being priced out? Cuz I know a few coaches who will go talk to them tonight. lol.

Sure, stud players who can make an immediate impact for the team can usually get a scholarship if they can manage the travel.

But where they get priced out is when they're 10-11 years old where they may show some real potential but maybe they're too small or rough around the edges. With proper training these kids have the potential to be one of the very talented players at 14-15 years old. But at 10-11 years-old they're not "impact" players yet or too small, so Flight 1 or 2 club teams won't waste a scholarship on them. These kids are affectively priced out before they've gotten the proper training to reach their potential. Pay to Play prices out the most in the younger ages, particularly for the late-bloomers.

Anyway, the problem with the MLS academies is that the MLS clubs themselves treat their DAs like a mandatory emissions compliance electric car. In the last several years the major automakers had to make "Compliance Cars". Basically California mandated that automakers which sell over 60,000 vehicles in the state, had to also offer a low emissions (or electric) vehicles. As a result you had cars like Fiat 500e, Honda Fit EV, Toyota RAV4 EV, and etc, cars only available in California (or maybe a couple of states). There was no real marketing plan or comprehensive strategy behind those cars, they were designed to essentially just check a box so the automakers could keep selling other cars in the state.

A very similar situation has happened with the MLS. The MLS mandated that teams had to establish youth academies and invest a certain amount. It was a decent first step, but they've done very little beyond that. As a result, you have a lot of "Compliance Academies" from MLS teams that just use them to check a box for the league. Most of them see their academies as a form of community outreach not as machinery to produce professional players on a yearly basis.

The MLS has recently made some very minor changes to the Homegrown player rules to encourage more signings but they have to be way more aggressive. They basically freed up more salary space for MLS teams to sign Homegrown players but it's still optional and the clubs could easily just sign more Central American/Caribbean players instead. I'd entertain the idea of being more forceful such as requiring MLS teams to sign-on at least 2 homegrown players a year and if those homegrown players meet certain performance metrics, then the MLS team could be awarded with additional salary cap space or allocation money. Have some aggressive measures for the next 7-8 years or so or at least until our youth development pipeline is no longer crap.
 
Sure, stud players who can make an immediate impact for the team can usually get a scholarship if they can manage the travel.

But where they get priced out is when they're 10-11 years old where they may show some real potential but maybe they're too small or rough around the edges. With proper training these kids have the potential to be one of the very talented players at 14-15 years old.
Have to differ with you here. The real damage pay to play does to development takes place at around this (03/02) age group. One may notice little to no development, beyond physical maturity, from this age on.
I know more than a few who live in a trailer and they still can afford club. More than a few scholarshipped kids parents driving BMW's too. They problem with pay to play is participation in soccer isn't merit based.
But at around this age there's a workaround to this: Boot ball. If you're strong and fast you don't really need to be able to play the beautiful game to win. Development is close to zero but the customers are happy.
 
Both Eusebio and Ray or correct, which helps explain why the problem is so complex. Lack of development at all ages and all decisions are cash driven.
 
Have to differ with you here. The real damage pay to play does to development takes place at around this (03/02) age group. One may notice little to no development, beyond physical maturity, from this age on.
I know more than a few who live in a trailer and they still can afford club. More than a few scholarshipped kids parents driving BMW's too. They problem with pay to play is participation in soccer isn't merit based.
But at around this age there's a workaround to this: Boot ball. If you're strong and fast you don't really need to be able to play the beautiful game to win. Development is close to zero but the customers are happy.
And honestly you can't really blame coaches for doing this. They need to win to keep parents happy and paying, and building a team at this age that can move the ball around with short passes is difficult, requires talent the team may not even have, and will guaranteed lead to some ugly losses in the beginning.
 
And honestly you can't really blame coaches for doing this. They need to win to keep parents happy and paying, and building a team at this age that can move the ball around with short passes is difficult, requires talent the team may not even have, and will guaranteed lead to some ugly losses in the beginning.

Well said. Most club level teams have 3-7 kids that can play the possession game and the rest cannot. The unbalance in talent can lead to a kick ball or coach speak "counter" mentality.

The top teams can possess on a regular basis and they are few and far between. At the younger ages the teams that possess but do not have results (wins) are all gone now. I think of the 03 age group and the 1st casualty was the United FC team that at U10 could possess very well/ played the "right" way but gave up tons of counter goals and I dont even know if they are fielding a team at that age. TFA wins a ton of youth trophies but once teams get enough big boys they beat them with the press and the counter fall-TFA falls into the pack but do not stay ahead of it- heck TFA resorted to the counter in last years 03 National Cup games. Many called that great coaching and it was but in the same breath we want the kids to possess like Barca....hmmmmm. Isn't that why you send your kids to TFA??

So what is the coach who finds his team over their head vs the competition do? roll over and play possum, keep trying to possess and give up tons of goals a game or put their 1 or 2 goal scorers up top and counter and hope to catch the opponent's defense of guard and steal some games with the hope they get enough results to go out and get a couple more players each year and field a competitive team?

When the talent is even, or worse when you have inferior talent its almost impossible to possess on a regular basis. Thats why so many finals- even on the big stage are so sloppy- often equally matched teams slugging it out.

And maybe talent isn't even the proper wording. You need players that are superior technically and tactically at the age group AND play together. We can say that comes down to the coaching and it does to some degree BUT you cannot win the Kentucky Derby with a Donkey. You need players that at minimum are on par with the level of competition technically, tactically and ATHLETICALLY to complete.

I saw a team recently that plays at a relatively high level out possess their inferior opponent in one week and looked unbeatable and the next weekend come up against a team that was physically bigger and tactically better and they look ameture at best
 
We can say that comes down to the coaching and it does to some degree BUT you cannot win the Kentucky Derby with a Donkey. You need players that at minimum are on par with the level of competition technically, tactically and ATHLETICALLY to complete.
I concur with your entire post.

But it definitely falls on the coach at grassroots level. The problem with the pay to pay model is there is no incentive to develop players but instead short term success.
 
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