National Cup - 04s

A quick analysis of the G04 National Cup draw. I understand they may have their own "unique" (more lazy than unique) way of placing/seeding teams but here are the consequences (on paper) of that.

9 Groups of 4 teams, with 6 byes.

First off, the six teams that got byes.
(Ranking within the 42 teams accepted for Natl Cup)
#1 - SD Surf Academy EGSL
#3 - Arsenal FC Pre ECNL Brow
#5 - Beach FC LB Arrache
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#13 - LA Galaxy South Bay Elite
#14 - IE Surf Premier RB
#18 - So Cal Blues Kale

The teams below the line should not have been byed to the second round.


Pool Play
I am first going to rank the pools based on the average SRS (see my G04 rankings) of the teams of each pool.
1. Pool I (7.03)
2. Pool C (6.95)
3. Pool D (6.83)
4. Pool A (6.77)
5. Pool G (6.65)
6. Pool H (6.60)
7. Pool F (6.58)
8. Pool B (6.33)
9. Pool E (6.11)

Next is the top ranked team in each pool and their SRS
1. CDA Slammers FC Cerritos Macias (Pool G, 8.93)
2. Real SoCal EGSL (Pool A, 8.51)
3. Strikers FC - OC EGSL Bull (Pool H, 8.46)
4. LA Galaxy SD Elite (Pool D, 8.45)
5. West Coast FC Pre-ECNL Swanson(Pool I, 8.07)
6. Eagles (Pool F, 7.75)
7. So Cal Blues Dido (Pool C, 7.74)
8. Rebels Gold (Pool E, 7.36)
9. Legends FC (Pool B, 6.74)

Now a look at which Pools are the most balanced (used Standard deviation of each teams SRS in pool)
1. Pool B << most balanced
2. Pool C
3. Pool I
4. Pool E
5. Pool F
6. Pool A
7. Pool D
8. Pool H
9. Pool G << least balanced
 
TangoCity said:
A quick analysis of the G04 National Cup draw. I understand they may have their own "unique" (more lazy than unique) way of placing/seeding teams but here are the consequences (on paper) of that.

9 Groups of 4 teams, with 6 byes.

First off, the six teams that got byes.
(Ranking within the 42 teams accepted for Natl Cup)
#1 - SD Surf Academy EGSL
#3 - Arsenal FC Pre ECNL Brow
#5 - Beach FC LB Arrache
-----------------------------------------
#13 - LA Galaxy South Bay Elite
#14 - IE Surf Premier RB
#18 - So Cal Blues Kale

The teams below the line should not have been byed to the second round.


Pool Play
I am first going to rank the pools based on the average SRS (see my G04 rankings) of the teams of each pool.
1. Pool I (7.03)
2. Pool C (6.95)
3. Pool D (6.83)
4. Pool A (6.77)
5. Pool G (6.65)
6. Pool H (6.60)
7. Pool F (6.58)
8. Pool B (6.33)
9. Pool E (6.11)

Next is the top ranked team in each pool and their SRS
1. CDA Slammers FC Cerritos Macias (Pool G, 8.93)
2. Real SoCal EGSL (Pool A, 8.51)
3. Strikers FC - OC EGSL Bull (Pool H, 8.46)
4. LA Galaxy SD Elite (Pool D, 8.45)
5. West Coast FC Pre-ECNL Swanson(Pool I, 8.07)
6. Eagles (Pool F, 7.75)
7. So Cal Blues Dido (Pool C, 7.74)
8. Rebels Gold (Pool E, 7.36)
9. Legends FC (Pool B, 6.74)

Now a look at which Pools are the most balanced (used Standard deviation of each teams SRS in pool)
1. Pool B << most balanced
2. Pool C
3. Pool I
4. Pool E
5. Pool F
6. Pool A
7. Pool D
8. Pool H
9. Pool G << least balanced
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Well at least you get your money's worth if you don't have a bye. That's IF you get out of pool play in the 1st week.
 
In my opinion I don't think we want balanced teams in pool play right? I believe the "best" 6 teams should get byes (whatever they define "best" as) and then 7 goes in pool A, 8 goes in pool B, ... 15 to pool I, then whip back around to 16 to pool I, 17 to Pool H, etc.

This way the higher ranked teams are rewarded by playing lower ranked teams.
 
Technician72 said:
1st Round Brackets

A1 Real So Cal G04 EGSL
A2 NFFC G2004 RED
A3 FRAM G04-Ferren
A4 CDA Slammers FC - Yorba Linda G04 Huie EGSL

B1 Legends FC G04 FC
B2 Albion SC G04 Academy
B3 Real So Cal G04 EGSL White
B4 Pateadores IRV G2004

C1 So Cal Blues - 2004 Dido
C2 DMCV Sharks G2004 - Toumi
C3 Strikers FC - OC 2004 Black
C4 Real So Cal- SCV G 2004 W

D1 LAGSD G04 Elite-Duggan
D2 SD Surf Academy Girls (Condliffe) 2004
D3 Murrieta Surf G04 White
D4 CDA FC Slammers - HB G04 Gimenez EGSL Academy

E1 Arsenal FC San Diego EGSL G04
E2 Rebels Soccer Club - G04 Elite
E3 CCU SoCal Academy G2004
E4 Express Girls 2004 Premier - Gutierrez

F1 IE Surf G04 MB/SB WEST
F2 Beach FC SB G04 Gouveia
F3 Eagles Soccer Club - 0720 - G2004
F4 Westside Breakers 04 White

G1 CDA Slammers FC - Cerritos G04 Macias EGSL
G2 Fullerton Rangers G04 White
G3 CDA Slammers FC - Tustin G04 Aviles EGSL
G4 Claremont Stars - black

H1 Strikers FC-OC EGSL 2004
H2 CDA Slammers FC - Cerritos G04 Segovia EGSL
H3 SMUFC G 2004
H4 Legends FC South G04

I1 Legends FC East-Riverside G04
I2 West Coast FC G04 Pre-ECNL
I3 San Diego SC G2004 Academy Navy
I4 Freedom Futbol Club - G04
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As always, I will be looking forward to the National Cup Edition of Tech Specs!
 
soccer dude said:
In my opinion I don't think we want balanced teams in pool play right? I believe the "best" 6 teams should get byes (whatever they define "best" as) and then 7 goes in pool A, 8 goes in pool B, ... 15 to pool I, then whip back around to 16 to pool I, 17 to Pool H, etc.

This way the higher ranked teams are rewarded by playing lower ranked teams.
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Yes, that is the correct way. That is not what they did or attempted to do. Just wait until you see the Presidents draw. The top two teams (out of 66) are in the same pool, lol.
 
TangoCity said:
If you don't I will. But if you want to split it, I can do the Presidents (and maybe the Governors, Uggh 115 teams) and you can do National.
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Best idea you've had! Since your DD plays for ? you should Presidents and the teams you are most familiar with.
 
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How does CalSouth decide where to hold the Governors/Presidents/National Cup games--is there a formula or some sort of rotation they use to determine which games are held at Oceanside or Silverlakes or <shudders> Lancaster?
 
Lionel Hutz said:
How does CalSouth decide where to hold the Governors/Presidents/National Cup games--is there a formula or some sort of rotation they use to determine which games are held at Oceanside or Silverlakes or <shudders> Lancaster?
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Venue size and field conditions. The bigger the venue, the better for Cal South. The more premium venues will get National Cup so Silverlakes and the later rounds may go to smaller sites with good fields. Oceanside, San Bernardino, Surf Complexes, etc. With some of the new venues coming online Lancaster gets overflow.
 
Over the next few weeks I'll be putting together the Tech. Specs. for National Cup, feel free to PM me any information / scouting reports you may have and I'll add it to build a beefed up version of a breakdown.

Much appreciated.
 
Technician72 said:
Over the next few weeks I'll be putting together the Tech. Specs. for National Cup, feel free to PM me any information / scouting reports you may have and I'll add it to build a beefed up version of a breakdown.

Much appreciated.
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And I will do Presidents Cup and maybe (GULP!) Governors. So feel free to PM me any scouting reports on those teams you may have. Tango Specs?
 
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